Hey protesters! Get a life. And take the mask off.—G8 is great
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Hey protesters! Get a life. And take the mask off.—G8 is great
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I fully agree. While I don’t fully agree with what the G8 (or whatever number they’re using at any given summit) does, wearing masks during a protest seems like you’re going to cause trouble (you’re hiding your face), which leads to the police being apprehensive, which leads to the police firing tear gas. Then you wonder why people don’t treat protesters fairly.
maybe I don’t want to identify myself because being associated with a controversial protest might affect my future career opportunities should I end up being the poster child for the G8 protests in halifax (apparently public photography is legal so anyone has the right to my image?).
sounds like it was peaceful enough, this is dumb post- they didn’t hurt you, stop whining. plus, popo always get unnecessarily riled up at these things.
Conviction doesn’t pay the bills.
As offensive as the Che Guevara T-shirt is, it does fill a very useful function in law enforcement terms. Put your rounds anywhere in ‘El Chimp’s” syphyllitic visage and you are are guaranteed center of bady mass hits. Keeps collateral damage to a minimum and that’s one window smasher who won’t be getting a post-riot hummer from his Baader-Meinhoff groupies.
haha, most of the peoples that sport mr. guevara shirts don’t even know who the fuck he is
‘Tis true. I always ask “Oh, Is that one of the Geico cavemen?”
I loved those guys, especially “Angry Caveman”.
This protest went by my apartment yesterday and only a handful of people wore masks or anything to cover their face. Everyone else proudly displayed their signs, chanted slogans, held hands and shared laughs and stories.
Protesting always brings out the hotties too. Mmmmm….
I don’t get why people would protest the G8. Would you prefer that we didn’t have peaceful international cooperation on major issues, like the fucked up economy? Or is that people just like to protest?
the latter lehova
Hotties Huh? Dreadlocks, armpit hamsters, and enough scrap metal punched through their face to give an elephant tetanus. Plus that intriguing aroma, a combination of monkey cage and Hep. C.
Lehova some say the economy is fucked up because of the G8 countries policies & I for one tend to agree. THe Banking system has been manipulated to create a super wealthy small group of individuals which we the workers are simply drones, easily replaced drones & Governments the world over bow to the Banks !
Hell the Federal Reserve Bank of the US is a Privately owned Company that is according to the United States Constitution, completely Illegal, yet with the manipulation of paid off elected Government officials in the Early part of the 1900’s a small group of bankers have hijacked the US monetary system for their own profit & when these giants of the banking Industry who originally formed (to protect the American people is there so called rationel) from another 1930’s depression. Nearly went tits up in 2008, they went to the Government to get the American Tax payer to prop them up !
You go start your education in how these people control commoditiy prices how they manipulate markets, how they sell gold stocks which by law are required to be backed by physical gold in their vaults & the’ve been caught selling 2times & 3times & even higher amounts of stocks than they actually have in gold bullion ! If there was a run on gold tomorrow, these banks would be unable to give the stock holders their metal & the world economy would collapse .
So protesters have it right, big business owns Government these days, & their lobbiests are giving Government Officials & Political Parties Billions of dollars each year to support what they want. If you go & look into the whole scam of fiat monetary systems it’ll make you rethink what you thought about Governments & Banks & you’ll probably become worried as well. I know I am, if its on paper think of it as a check. We all know what happens when someone who can’t pay writes a check ! Your left holding a useless piece of paper & money is just like a check, its a promise to pay.
Gotta go caterer’s here.
First of all, it’s Iehova. With an I. As in, your God, Allah, El, Yaweh, Alpha and Omega.
Second, your protests accomplish FUCK ALL. They don’t give a shit how many people parade the streets chanting and singing and crying. Your options are: A) Storm the convention center and actively prevent the summit from occurring, B) Join the organization and work against it. Protest and get laughed at.
There’s a couple of problems there More: you see, the banks have something called capitalization. That is their capacity to liquidate assets into cash (i.e.: the aforementioned bullion) to support them in case the system failed. Canada’s banks are the best capitalized in the world, and the IMF is actually using the Canadian system to model on.
During the crash, many small banks in the US and across the globe failed, but the government backed them because they had some form of depositor’s insurance. Don’t worry, if something were to happen tomorrow, your deposits would be safe for the most part, thanks to a combination of that capitalization and insurance. The only thing I’d be concerned about is catastrophic inflation like they had in pre-WW II Germany. But hey, just as long as you’re spreading your own type of fear, you’re safe from being called a hypocrite when the government spreads their own propagandist fear.
The banks do lobby the government, yes. There’s no disputing that. But given the mess that is international affairs, these summits can effect a modicum of change, however, as long as you have 1st year Poli-Sci students wearing massed produced Che shirts, thinking they’re some revolutionary, you’ll have a protest that is ineffectual and pointless, despite the message.
They’re just a bunch of kids who don’t understand that there are better avenues of “protest”, like getting an education first.
I’m old school Sixxes, for me it’s the fine line of Heckler & Koch SMG’s in 9mm. GSG-9 in Mogadishu and the SAS at Princes Gate can’t be wrong.
Politics aside I always found the idea of the Guevera T-shirt in excrutiatingly poor taste; like wearing a Himmler T-shirt. They both set up the apparatus of a police state. They both assumed economic responsibilities that they were utterly incapable of and made an absolute hash of them. They were both military incompetents, but they loved appearing in uniform. They were both physical cowards. The only difference being that Himmler lost his lunch when witnessing a mass execution while Che seemed to get off on them. Pitiful wastes, both of them.
Protesting the G8 is stupid. Only attention seeking assholes do that. Most of them haven’t even got a clue why they are protesting. They just want to get into the mob mentality of it.
If they really wanted to change the world they’d use their brains and try to work from the inside.
Some say that protesting ended the Vietnam War. I have my doubts but if that is true then it can’t be totally useless. So many people bitch and cunt about free speech but refuse to take part in it’s truest forms. Instead it’s a handful of cunts who sit on the sidelines and just bitch about something that they aren’t even part of for the mere purpose of just shitting on other peoples’ values.
And most protesters tend to be university students and well-educated people. Who says that they wont get involved in politics, economics or business someday?
Nothing wrong with activism. If people want to express their opinions, the facts, use free speech to create awareness and understanding then it can’t be that bad. It sure as hell accomplishes more than bitching on an Internet blog about the downfalls of protesting. =D
I don’t think the people protesting Vietnam got permits for their protests. They stormed the Pentagon, staged sit-ins, and engaged in good old fashioned civil disobedience. Show me an honest protest in the spirit of the 60s, and I’ll be there with bells on.
Most people are far too lazy to get off their asses and do anything about the sorry state of things. They’d rather come here and bitch about demonstrators exercising their rights and trying to make a difference.
The current G8 conference, while pretending to address a set of real problems, is merely window dressing. Western governments get together at these meetings so they can swap ideas on how to make the world safe for the global oligopoly combine system that currently rules the world, or as they like it to be known to outsiders (ie everybody else) the system of “free market capitalism”.
Free market capitalism doesn’t exist and in fact it never has. Events around the globe during the last few years should be the final proof that anybody needs in order to grasp this basic truth.
If your average citizen wasn’t so mesmerized by the bread and circuses on offer 24/7 the streets would be full of some very angry people.
In all likelihood, protesting on the streets has as much effect on the G8 summit as complaining about the same protesters here on this blog.
If you want to make a difference in the world, especially for maternal health, make a donation to an African fistula hospital, or make a microloan to a woman in South East Asia to set up a business.
Protesting helped end the Vietnam war because no one had ever seen that kind of behaviour so broadly televised and it was shocking. People listened. Now people don’t give a shit and think protesters just get in the way and want to cause problems just because. Personally, I don’t think ‘shock tactics’ are the way to go when it comes to changing something like the G8. Social entrepreneurship and activism on a higher level are much more effective. And remembering that change won’t come very fast, and even little changes matter.
In real likelihood, no it doesn’t.
Going out and doing something always accomplishes more than just cunting about it on a blog. If you don’t like protesting that’s fine, but it’s pretty blanket to say that activism accomplishes nothing. Realistically, what does blogging on an entertainment message board accomplish? Nothing compared to going out and doing actual stuff.
You really sound like those people who refuse to vote and do nothing but complain about government and the state of our country. Being apathetic or against something doesn’t necessarily make you correct merely because you think so.
just so you all know, FUCK THE G8, and everyone that is in it, bunch of fucking crooks
Well the Vietnam protests started in 1963, and the US didn’t leave until 1975, so if they did indeed help end the war, it took 12 years. Seems unlikely.
Please alter that to read “globalization” UFB. That’s what these G(number) conferences are really about. Usually they work on how the industrialized world can continue to use developing nations like Nigeria or industry boom countries India. I think that a majority of people that understand the inner workings of any political organization understand that.
My issue is this: an outstanding majority of protests have an anarchistic element within them. Those are the types that ruin any chance of some of these voices to be heard. I speak from experience: I attended the WTO rallies in Montreal in 2001, and my group was one of the very few non-violent groups at that protest. Our message was simple, we were simply against the free trade agreement that was on the table for the US, Mexico, Canada and South America. Meanwhile, the anarchistic element drowned that entire rally by looting, inciting riots, and forcing the police to fire tear gas into the populace (and believe me, tear gas hurts like fuck, even through chemical respirator). What did the rest of the world take away from that entire rally? The world saw the protesters getting what they deserve. Thankfully, the FTAA has yet to see the light of day, but the message that day was lost.
This leads me to my next point; from that experience I found that calling/writing/emailing my MP more effective than getting tear gassed or being lumped together with a bunch of know-nothing anarchists. I found it more effective and more efficient than a circle jerk with a group of people that will never evolve past thinking the government is against them, because let’s face it. The leaders of the G-whatever don’t give a damn about your message. The leaders of the world don’t suddenly realize in the middle of the conference that the guy in the red shirt who was yelling at them was right and we should dissolve the world’s governments and live on a farm.
It’s all about rational thought.
I’d like to add that the protests against the Vietnam War were effective only in bringing attention to the matter, which played a part of it. What really forced them out was essentially poorly designed equipment (expensive service rifles that jammed very often vs. the AK’s cheapness and ability to be used by anyone, anywhere) and a force of people willing to fight vs. people not willing to fight (which was only an issue towards the last 2 years of the war).
@NFG
I did not say that activism accomplishes nothing. In fact I said that there are better forms of activism available, ones which are far more productive and constructive. I don’t quite understand how you interpreted that as apathetic. Not only do I partake in such forms of activism, when I am not furiously posting on here, I’ve not missed an election I was eligible to vote in since I turned 18.
dear sixxes, you wrongly assumed i plan to work for the government. but thanks for playing.
@Dr. Fever
In the matter of anarchists and teargas, I don’t think it would surprise you to know that some of those who show up at these protests dressed in black and wearing bandannas and doing the most shouting and rock-throwing are agents provocateurs employed by the state security apparatus.
I’m not speaking hypothetically. I am acquainted with a law enforcement officer in Montreal who has been assigned this kind of duty, ie. show up at a peaceful protest in street clothes and bandanna and, by example, encourage others to start hurling rocks and breaking things in order to provoke (and justify) a harsh reaction on the part of the police.
I disagree with you about how effective mass protest movements can be. Many analysts attribute the death of the MAI to the mobilization of protests around the globe by NGOs and other civil society groups. While it’s true that many OECD nations are still trying to accomplish the same objectives sought in the MAI in a piecemeal fashion, a framework binding all OECD members proved impossible to accomplish because of pressure brought to bear by citizens’ groups in member countries.
UFBob: You bring up an interesting point and I was intrigued about your bit about the friend from Montreal. I’m sure you are aware, but if not, look up the Montebello Summit from 2007/2008 where Quebec police sent plain-clothed provacateurs into a peaceful protest in the hopes to instigate “warranted” police action.
Even when caught and exposed, the Quebec police defended their actions. Most of the protesters were middle-aged, middle-class professionals who were protesting peacefully.
Never wear police-issued boots if/when you go undercover.
For the record, I always vote. If there’s no one to vote for, there’s always someone to vote against.
Today’s protests are pointless. They are a waste of time, and they accomplish nothing. Activism is great, but it needs to be smarter, better organized, and properly lead. Stop asking permission to protest, stop making sure everyone’s comfortable with the date and time. You don’t affect change by being polite.
the americans won the vietnam war on the battlefield.after the tet offensive the vc and the north where depleted to non effective status.what made them pullout was lack of political will due to the undermining of the left.as is happening now the left is undermining our resolve to allow nato generals to fight the war that needs to be fought.
imagine how world war 2 would have ended if the left had been as vocal as it is today
our current economic system is very generous to all its citizens and benefits society greatly in a positive way.i cannot understand how people who benefit from all its benefits can preach against it.
as is for other countries being ‘exploited’is bullshit.it is not our coorperation responsibility to pass laws in foriegn countries or to govern them.it is the reponsiblity of that nations government to do so.if the people have problem with the way they are being governed i suggest they do something about it.
The protests stopped when the draft ended, not when the war did. Tells me all I need to know about the noble ideals of the left.
I can tell you UFB, the guys that were rushing the barriers and throwing stuff were not police. These were your run-of-the-mill anarchists that thought that they could dissolve what you call the “state security apparatus” (they’re called the RCMP by the way). Hell, I saw a guy who I took a class with get his ass handed to him by a cop because he was throwing shit. It was a bit excessive, especially considering that the same cop’s buddies who were nearby almost arrested us, but they had no reason, because we had our IDs and we co-operated with them. So they moved along.
Don’t get me wrong, I support protesting. I’m a part of Amnesty International. But, I have the sense in my head to understand that like Iehova mentioned, protesting needs better leaders and better organized. Lately it’s just a loose group of protesters that get nothing done, and their message, however relevant it may be, is usually lost in some gimmick they brew up. Take PETA or Green Peace’s efforts lately. Green Peace’s effort at the Windsor St. Sobeys went largely unnoticed, because they thought it was some street theatre show, complete with props. They looked like it was a joke, and people thought it was a joke. Want to know an effective protest? A group of Canadian Kennel Club members protested a local pet store chain (let’s call them Pets Ad Infinitum) for their use of puppy mills. Simple message, no gimmicks, just picketing along the main drag of the BLIP. It effected the store’s sales, and made people think twice about buying a dog from them. They reached people, as opposed to preaching to the choir. Why? Because the CKC is full of average shmucks like you and I. It’s a common cause. Political protests are usually lead by students, whose direct target are students. See my point? Perhaps we should be concerned about more dire things like e-dumps in China, or human rights abuses the world over, including those in Canada.
One final note: hey, uh, sixxes, you are an idiot. Seriously. To equate the proxy war that was the Vietnam War to WW II is absolutely unfounded. I don’t think anyone here would dispute that WW II was dealt with the way it needed to be dealt with. WW II was about genocide, and the Vietnam War was about fighting Communists that they could pick on, instead of picking on China or Russia. This can be likened to the efforts in both Afghanistan and Iraq. We couldn’t find Osama, and we can’t wage war on Pakistan (they’ve got nuclear weapons) so we try to win a war that the Russians couldn’t win 20 years ago, which is why we have the Taliban today, by the way. Meanwhile, the US is waging a war on a country that was “liberated” 5 years ago, and continues to do so because they need a stepping stone to wage war on Iran.
I’ve gotta say, I’m less concerned about Iran being the world’s second islamic Nuclear power. I’m more concerned about who is going to be #3. France or Britain?
I’m putting money on Grand Fenwick, Ivan.
God I loved Sellers. “I’m All Right Jack”, probably the most brilliant satire ever made.
“imagine how world war 2 would have ended if the left had been as vocal as it is today”
I know. I just thank fuck there were no Michael Moore’s back then. The Allies were clobbered the first 2 years of the war, the Left would’ve pulled out. Instead there was the strong leadership of Churchill, and we fucking won.
Confidence and support makes a big difference in winning a war.
Sellers was a comedic God. I’ve heard of ‘I’m All Right, Jack’, even know the story line but haven’t seen it. Wonder if you can get it at Video Difference on Quinpool?
My favs are Dr. Strangelove, the Party and Being There. I watched a biopic of Sellers with Geoffry Rush – what a fucking amazing portrayal he did.
Birdie-num-nums, anyone?
Charles Lindbergh may have been an isolationist. He may have had a superficial & juvenile admiration for what the Nazi’s had achieved in Germany pre1939. He may even have been an anti-semite. But when war was declared he worked as a test pilot for Lockheed and actually flew a couple of combat missions in the Pacific. Here’s what he did NOT do.
1) He didn’t urge U.S. soldiers to desert
2) He didn’t harangue U.S. college students that “If only you really understood fascism you would beg to be allowed to live under it.
3)He didn’t tour Berlin or Hamburg after allied bombing raids with a camera crew in tow. He didn’t allow himself to be photographed masturbating on an anti-aircraft gun wearing a German helmet.
4)He didn’t visit Allied P.O.Ws who had been tortured and claim publicly that they were being treated properly
5)When the war was over and victims of the Germans and japanes told horrific stories about the brutality of their treatment, he didn’t dismiss them as ‘professional liars”
Any of this sound familiar?
TT – it pops up on Bravo’s sunday morning lineup from time to time. Did you see Geoffrey Rush as PS in the HBO biopic? Uncanny!
..and I should learn to read the whole post before responding. Testor’s model glue is a harsh mistress.
the outtakes at the end of being there are gold
holy shit… leave at 6 posts, come back at 41???
hot topic indeed.
and I see MORE is reading some of the same articles I have been…
Speculating about how WWII would have turned out if the “New Left”, student protesters and Michael Moore had been around back then seems to me the perfect example of manufacturing a straw man to subsequently tear apart. That’s like wondering whether or not Ann Coulter would have joined the Nazi party if she had been a German citizen during the 1930s. Amusing perhaps, but not very enlightening when dealing with things as they are.
America’s involvement in Vietnam and lengthy sojourn there came about from a number of motivating factors. There was the erroneous idea that Vietnam was the front line in a war against communist hegemony in South East Asia (the so-called “domino theory”). There was the powerful influence of what President (and former Supreme Allied Commander during WWII) Dwight Eisenhower termed the “military-industrial complex” which manipulated policy and public opinion to serve its own ends, ie. the profitable business of supplying the war machine. The war was “sold” to the American public as a noble defense of the freedom-loving South Vietnamese, but in reality it had nothing to do with defending democracy in South Vietnam – the Americans supported the coup which removed the corrupt President Diem from power (he was subsequently executed) to be replaced by a puppet leader more amenable to American plans for conducting their war. In the end, America’s involvement in Vietnam served the interests of a very small percentage of the American population and ultimately this is what led to the Americans leaving Vietnam in the way that they did.
Revisionists like to claim that the Americans won all the battles in Vietnam only to lose the overall war due to the undermining of support back home and overly restrictive rules of engagement (ROE) which kept them from “going for the win”. While support did whither over time, this is a ridiculous self-serving notion, popularized in the Reagan-era 1980s by Sylvester Stallone’s Rambo films. While it had much to do with the Americans trying to convince themselves they were “winners” and not “losers”, it didn’t have much to do with reality, then or now. In fact, this is the way losers talk: “we’re the better and more talented team but they won by scoring more points”. Yeah, right.
The anti-war movement of the 1960s, which gathered broad support outside college campuses as time wore on, contributed to ending American involvement in Vietnam by forcing a complacent population to ask themselves what their nation’s purpose was in Vietnam. In the end they realized their country had no legitimate purpose in Vietnam and supported politicians who would end the war.
Surely, with all of the documentation that’s been made public since the U.S. invaded Iraq in 2003, there can’t be anyone who still thinks the invasion and occupation was motivated by supposed Iraqi weapons of mass destruction or supposed Iraqi ties to Al Qaeda or even a noble attempt to spread the American version of democracy. Each of these were carefully crafted casus belli, intended to build popular support for what was, in fact, a narrow agenda to profit the few. Considering the needless death and destruction caused by the invasion, this is morally obscene, which is not to defend the late Saddam Hussein, but in point of fact his country wasn’t invaded on the basis of his deplorable human rights record. If that was really U.S. government policy, it would raise some embarrassing questions about all the brutal dictators maintained in power over the years by U.S. intervention and support.
Considering all this, we would have been much better off and further ahead if the Michael Moores of the world had prevailed back in 2003.
Finally, we come to Afghanistan. We ostensibly made war on the Taliban regime because they were harbouring Osama bin Laden, the man responsible for the 9-11 attacks. Because the initial military effort to capture bin Laden was mismanaged and ill-conceived he still roams free, while we are bogged down in Afghanistan nine years later trying to build a functioning Western style democracy from scratch, or at least that’s how the conflict in Afghanistan is being sold to us now. Whatever the future may hold in store for the average Afghani, you can be sure that our real interests there have much more to do with gas pipelines and Western energy security and relatively little to do with the well-being of the Afghan population.
Maybe this country needs more people willing to stand up and say “enough” just like the protesters were doing over the weekend.
I agree. Shouldn’t these people at work? Instead they are out quacking but doing nothing to solve the problem. If they can do better, run in an election and get voted in. Otherwise, shut the duck up and get back to work.
sorry fever,again you are showing how little you know, the genecide started i believe late in the war and was really only found out near the end.so that argument you have is now meaningless. and that good old effective doctrine of “peace at all cost”isn’t that what that fool said and many dreamers belived when neville claimed peace in our time,i have a contract with hitler.hitler you can trust him as much as you can trust saddam and the taliban or any terrorist group.perhaps if we would of attacked early all that death would not have occured,such as we are doing now.initiative prevents a lot of problems down the road.
as for weapons of mass destruction.do you not know your history farmer,that psychopath saddam had already used a chemical bomb on kurds in northern iraq.chemical ali ring a bell.no idiot micheal moore there to film that.no-way an enemy of the west is an ally of this fucking traitor.
again there are 3 classes of weapons of mass destruction
1 nuclear
2biological
and 3 the easy one chemical
if you are able to create chlorine gas in your kitchen how hard do you think it is for a dictator to build one,plus have the capability to fire it.
also a chemical bomb can be assembled and dissambled within a few days.guess what it does not leave a trace like a nuclear or biological does.
stop living in dream land you morons.the real world is brutal you spoiled ppeople are out of touch.
and yes vietnam was worth it.if you will not attack your enemy head on drain his resources elsewhere.capitalist have a more efficient system for our resources then those backwards commie.isn’t that why they finally collapsed they couldn’t keep up.
what type of logic do you follow ,if you do not want to counter your enemies move.should we just stand by and wait for them to get stronger,like isreal did with hezbollah.no, logic dictates you destroy your enemy when you have the advantage.less causualties for us more for them.which folks by the way is a good thing.
also farmer should we wait for him to have got heavier capabilities.he did attack kuwait unprovoked and then attack isreal unprovoked.maybe if he killed 50000 plus people then you idiots may agree with the effort
the vc were expended checkout an interview with there general,he even said it was a political move,his armies were annihalted.read some history there farmer and then maybe you can tutor fever,you both seem to be lacking quiet a bit on actual real knowledge
Just a couple of points Sixxes. The Nazi genocide began when the Germans attacked Poland. The apparatus for the genocide had been put in place in the 1930s with among other things, the creation of the S.S., the passing of the Nuremburg Laws limiting the rights of Jews in Germany, and of course, the Reichstag Fire, which allowed Hitler to push through The Enabling Law giving him dictatorial powers. It really hit full steam in 1941 with Operation Barbarossa Halting of the genocide was a laudable side affect of the Allied involvement in the war but it was never the primary aim. The total defeat of Nazi Germany, the liberation of those lands occupied by it and the removal of it as a continental and global threat were the prime objectives.
As it turned out the western Allies achieved half of what they set out to do, leaving most of eastern Europe to their fate to appease a bloodthirsty dictator, which, incidentally , is exactly what Churchill accused Chamberlain of doing at Munich. Small points, but important ones.
Farmer Bob needs to footnote Chomsky if he doesn’t want to be accused of plagiarism. Bob, you strike me as the typical Canadian who abhors our support for a corrupt and brutal government in Afghanistan, and then spends a week every January on the beach at Varadero puffing on Cohibas and thinking he’s a good global citizen for bucking the nasty old American embargo and leaving Consuela a bottle of Asprins.
And you wonder why the left lack credibility.
And enough with the mythical natural gas pipelines, already. Anyone who thinks there is even a ghost of a chance running vulnerable pipelines through a country that has never been pacified, not even under the Taliban is using too much of the ‘stan’s “other” export.
you are right ivan.but the genocide that is percieved by the west with gas chambers was i think 1941 as you mentioned when it becomes full blown.my dates on the genocide are not firm but it was not happening at the start in that capacity.you are probably more familiar then me on this issue but was it not actually disovered at the end of the war the full extension of what was happenning in those camps.
genicide was not the reason we went to war..was it not due to nazi agression that brought england and france finally into the war.
strange question didn’t hitler have some wierd notion of first transporting the jews to madagascar.
The Madagascar option was one of the ideas considered by Adolf Eichmann when he was running the so called Jewish Department of The RSHA, the branch of the SS directly concerned with implementing “the final solution”. And yes, mass killing with gas began In 1942 at Treblinka, Sobibor, Belzec and the Auschwitz-Birkenau complex. Prior to that, mass killings were being undertaken by the Einsatzgruppen, mobile killing units following in the wake of the Wehrmacht. In one of history’s stomach-turning ironies the move to killing with gas was undertaken for “humanitarian reasons”. Himmler thought the shooting of men, women & children was too traumatic for the SS men who had to carry it out.
And yes, we went to war because Hitler was a strategic threat both to his neighbors and the world. He may never have had the logistic capabilities to invade the North American landmass, but Churchill and Roosevelt recognized that it was a global issue.
Sorry for rambling on but I’ve just finished reading Richard Evans 3 volume history of the the Third Reich. Extremely good, but also extremely grim.
also the mere fact that the US entered the war because of japans attack on dec7 1941 also demonstrates that the war was not fought,unfortunatly,to stop genocide.
i find it sad that genocide is still occuring and when we try to stop it the left is always against it.i truely believe that if somolia would have beenn a success rwanda and darfor would not have occurred.we would have had more physicle determination to stop it instead of relying on the useless UN and useless negotiations.the left just cannot seem to grasp the negative impact they have on humanity with their constant undermining.
we are seen as doing wrong by getting rid of a group of extremist who run a country by pure draconian methods.these same people attack young girls for wanting to learn to read.and these so-called humantist try to stop us from stopping these people from doing these things.then they have the nerve to preach on equality.
i believe we should be going to stop all these governments that treat people like this.yes it will take armed conflict to achieve it but hey isn’t worth it for the later generations.as our ancestors suffered for our present day comforts.
Dr Fever, my bank says they’ll insure/guarantee only $250,000 dollars. What about the rest of it ? I believe its around that for retirement funds as well, how the hell you going to retire on that if the bank went tits up ?
I may not be a big time banker, but if somethings not insured/covered & they go tits up, doesn’t that mean I lose all the rest ?
So say one of us here won the loto Friday. Put it in a bank. The bank fails…that person would get insurance pay off of $250,000 for my millions I put in. Where the fucks the rest of my money ?
The Bank doesn’t have it physically in the vault, so it obviously been sent to someone else… why don’t they have to give all of it back ?
Banks do one thing really well .
They create wealth out of nothing.
Have the world trading in Treasury Bills & paper money that tomorrow could become worthless pieces of paper. The ‘market’ where they buy & sell currencies with other peoples money & pocket the profits… while the bankers play steal as much as of the savings as they can through playing both sides of the stock market. Taking investors money putting it into ventures that fail, manipulating the markets.
Yeah, I’ve heard & read a few things about Banks…& the slime bags who control them ! & thats why I keep a couple of $ 1 million & half million German Mark notes from 1923 framed on my wall & have 10 notes from 1 million right up to 100 Trillion Zimbabwean Dollars . To remind me exactly what Banks along with a Government, can do to a paper money system ! A system designed with failure in mind.
As far as I’m concerned the U.N. is nothing but a cut-rate travel agency for Kalashnikov kleptocrats, third world despots who can fly into JFK , spend the morning telling the General Assembly what a sack of bastards the Americans are, take their multiple wives out shopping in Manhattan in the afternoon and then spend the night clubbing with a pocket full of roofies and diplomatic immunity.
If the Americans had gone into Rwanda and stopped the genocide they would be called brutal imperialists and accused of trying to monopolize the world supply of mountain gorillas.
tsar ivan should write for you guys
yes he is very sharp but i will write for myself.thankyou
he also has a very good command of the english language.something i never put ant time on.perhaps in the future
please farmer and fever repond i would like a revision in history
farmer guessing your background on military doctrine is zero as is with most lefties, who the fuck are you people to have any input on military operations.all you people do is regurgitate info from other ignorant so called military experts.if you people on the left want to have any ground to stand on i would suggest to start learning what you are talking about instead of giving sound bites.and i will bet that when you actually start reading history and military arts of war your opinion will quickly change.that is if you are a type of person that likes to see quick results with an end result.
education is the key to progres, and the betterment of humanity.the left only offers regression
@sixxes
Please forward all of your ideas for war fighting and military operations to General W. J. Natynczyk, Chief of the Defence Staff. You should be able to get in touch with him through this website:
http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/contact-eng.a…
But sixxes they get all their military expertise from Scott Taylor of Esprit de Corps. You know, the Private that spent a few years in the infantry 20+ years ago.
i have military service and reapplying.to make sure i can protect you weak miserable fools so you can continue to shit on those that assure your right to shit on us.
i am right you have no idea on what you talk of.you and fever ar ethe poster boys for the left.well worded opinions but no depth.why was thatr military operation faulty.i am the type of person who needs to hear details,i take no ones words like you brain washed programmed robots that uis the left.you people are really uninformed.
by the way farmer like i asked you earlier exactly what resources is it that we are running out of you fool.don’t talk shit without backing it up.like your preaching against inocculations or immunizations.to demonstrate someones level of intelligent on health care just listen to their advice.avoid inocculations,gurantee he would rather eat roots then a pill prescribed by his doctor.
just like i stated the left offers regression,and the present sytem offers progress.choose one and follow it.
the left are cowards,no sense of sacrifice.they will except all they can get then preach against the system that gives it to them.fucking cowards.take a stand and stand by it.you will not do that nor any lefty because then you will no longer be able to use the internet.anything based on oil,medicare,housing because that would involve cutting down trees,effective medicine,education because it is based on computers,any non-wood tool because that involves harvesting resources,meat,or vegetables because non geneticly engineered vegetables would not be able to sustain all the left wing idiots.clothing could not be derived through flesh so enjoy the winter.so shit bags (farmer,fever)what is it you actually offer humanity except absolute stupidity.
Re: Scott Taylor. While good NCOs are the backbone of any professional military, history is replete with examples of why following a jumped up corporal with ambitions far beyond his capabilities is never a good idea.
The man suffers from an advanced case of Michael Moore syndrome; that compulsive need to put oneself at the center of any story they are covering.
He’s probably done our soldiers more harm than every liberal defence minister since Hellyer.
i meant tsar ivan should write for the coast but i guess he already is. rawk
I find that dropping a dook in the Coast’s urinal, m’kay, is the 21st century equivalent of counting coup on a lakota warchief. Giant spaghetti monster forbid I ever take myself more seriously than that. >; ) Like my spirit brother, the crow, I am a trickster archetype.
finest kind
@sixxes
I thank you for your military service. Nobody here is slamming our troops, so get off your high horse.
Also note: our military is a lethal instrument, deployed at will by our civilian leadership to accomplish certain ends. With all due respect, this system does not make allowance for the opinions of individual soldiers, unless they happen to be at or near the top of the chain of command. Having said that, our civilian leaders, acting on the general will of the people, decide overall where and when to use our military. The job of the general staff is to give advice to their civilian masters and then, in the end, do what they’re told and go and get the job done to the best of their ability. So you see, it doesn’t really matter what the average soldier thinks. From your military service you should know that the chain of command is the backbone of every military organization, large or small.
If you keep abusing my good nature by insulting my character, courage and intellectual capacity, I will withdraw my pedagogical services from this thread.
Once again, thank you for your military service to this great nation we both love.