To all the YOUNG UNS from away who think they can act like spoiled little shits! We are sick and tired of all the students from away telling restaurant and bar managers how to do their jobs and what IDs we should be taking. We don’t know what is allowed in other provinces, all we know is what WE are allowed to take for identification. Maybe YOU should educate yourself on the local laws before you shoot your mouth off. NOTE: we are only allowed to accept certain identification cards!! Your “ONTARIO HEALTH CARD” is not in our book of accepted ID’s and therefore “WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ACCEPT IT!!!” As a matter of fact, people are not allowed in a licensed establishment after 9pm without proper ID, even if you are only eating and not drinking alcohol. Don’t blame us, it’s not our rule! It doesn’t matter that you are 27 years old, maybe you look younger? You certainly are acting younger by crying about not being allowed in a bar without a proper ID! You have been here for a year or more, you should GO GET A PROPER ID, and you wont have any more problems! If you really are pissed off, you should be pissed at the Alcohol and Gaming Authority of Nova Scotia and complain to them, not the restaurant or bar that asked you for an ID. OR, maybe you should JUST GO GET A FRIGGIN ID! It doesn’t take very long and it would save you, and all the bars you visit, a lot of headache! —All The Bars and Restaurants Tired of Out of Province Complainers
This article appears in Dec 1-7, 2011.
You can’t treat me this way! I’m from Ontario! (or maybe I’m from Alberta) Either way, I am a very arrogant and demanding person who should be catered to because I choose to spend dad’s cash slumming it here in Nova Scotia. We are the most important people in this country and should be treated as such. Take that and put it in your golden crack pipe, bar slave!
Is a passport a universal form ID for all provinces? If it is, you think it’s worth the “hassle” of just getting one rather than having to get all these individual IDs for your home province and school province.
the boy needed a passport to get ontario id
gubment is going to push that way…
which also explains why they’re ‘reinventing it’ and jacking up the cost to get one.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2011/0…
i hear there is a big fucking boat, getting loaded with these aways right now. your ride is free, on condition that you never come the fuck back again.
yeah zedman, i guess it beats having a chip implanted. when the world becomes like a philip k dick novel, ibimb
I’m always embarrassed to admit to being from Toronto… used to get asked when I lived there if I was from Down East ‘because I was so nice’… since being out here I realise just how goofy most Torontonians are. On the other hand I had a guy from here dump me when he found out I was from TO… something about not being able to keep up with my life-style (?) So weirdness abounds everywhere…
These always made me feel better… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cyn_qhB__-U
CAN you just waltz into the province and get an NS ID these days?
Maybe you as bar staff/owners should post a list of acceptable forms of ID on or around the entrance of your establishment. Do you as bar owners educate new students, through the student councils, of the requirements for proof of age? That way people will not be surprised when you tell them that their ID is not accepted as proof of age. I do find it funny though, it’s good enough to get a hundred thousand dollar surgery, but not good enough to get you a meal at a bar after 9pm in Halifax NS.
I also see the hypocrisy in your bending the rules when it benefits you. It’s okay to refuse entry to a few people who don’t have the specified ID’s, but when it comes to overserving patrons you don’t seem to have the same diligence. It’s also funny how you let, and sometimes encourage, your security staff to use excessive force, and let drug dealers sit in the corner and sell drugs to patrons. Fuck off with your “it’s the law” bullshit, it’s only the law when you want it to be!!!
Sebassssssstian!……….
So fucking *hawt*…
now say something about people from North Preston again.
I’m *almost there*, Princess!
I stopped moisturizing my hands, JUST FOR YOU, my little puppet tromboner!
Wpaul
Heh heh – Wheeldude said “boner”
http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/bea…
He sez that a lot
here’s a link to the actual rules, looks like government issued id with a photo and signature is all you need and a health card is in fact valid, maybe you should educate yourself OB http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:…
I actually agree with Stevie, here. After some exhaustive research, I found the following report by the Mayor’s roundtable on violence and Public Safety in HRM, April, 2005. In it they say (and pay attention to this OB:)
Students are typically young and have significant disposable income, making them important sources of revenue and employment in HRM, especially for those in the downtown restaurant and entertainment industry.
…They are said to contribute over $300 million dollars annually to HRM’s economy. Their business is essential to the viability and vitality of downtown Halifax.
So, my first point is: don’t bite the hand that feeds you.
There should more communication between the various colleges and public safety agencies as recommended in this report from *8 years ago* In addition to posters in the bars themselves, how about some ads in the school newspapers? December is very late in the year for there to still be this kind of confusion!
While looking for the specific law about what was acceptable ID, my first stop was the HRM site. There was no category anywhere for liquor laws that I could find. When I did find the laws, however they say
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Acceptable ID – 1
If you believe a customer may be under age, you must ask to verify
their age by seeing and reviewing acceptable ID.
Primary ID must be a valid official Government issued photo ID with name, signature, picture, expiry date and birth date.
These include:
Driver’s license (including Out-of-Province)
Canadian Passport
Canadian Armed Forces ID
Canadian Citizenship Card
A Provincial Health Card is acceptable only if the customer offers it – it cannot be asked for.
Did you catch that last sentence, bartender? here is the site http://www.we-expect-id.com/
….sigh
no one ever asks me for ID anymore ~:'[
Being private businesses they can come up with whatever criteria they see fit, and if they don’t want to accept some scarbourough skanks health card, they don’t really have to.
Scarborough Skank… just had a flashback to high school >shudder<
Ontario Health card IS NOT a form of government issued ID.
Scarborough: like sackville with guns.
i_k, yep just walk into any Access NS with applicable ID and you get a NS ID.
http://www.gov.ns.ca/snsmr/paal/rmv/paal27…
that otay rosie, we loves you anyhoo.
OP, that is so 1970s of you to imply that you’d rather not serve paying customers if they are from another province.
Cranky sez: “Being private businesses they can come up with whatever criteria they see fit.”
ORLY? OK, what if the business decided they could do without the custom of people of color? or of a certain religion? That would be OK, right?
According to the law, They (businesses) do have an out–if there is any doubt, the server should ask for an additional ID-but the law is the law, and businesses have a responsibility NOT to be capricious/discriminatory in their practices.
Get a UV light, copies of what authentic licenses look like, and give the bouncers a reward for every fake ID they confiscate. It’s not that hard. Or, whatever, go ahead and alienate your client base.
It shouldn’t be so difficult to determine what is and isn’t acceptable identification to present in a licensed establishment. I’m not from out of province, so the ability to present Nova Scotia issued identification hasn’t been an issue for me.
Having said that, I (and I’m guessing many others) would assume that any government issued photo identification showing proof of age would suffice. If that’s not the case and it is a recurring issue for bar and restaurant staff to deal with the issue of unacceptable identification, then someone needs to take the initiative to inform and educate the patrons. This becomes especially important if various establishments set their own rules. A certain cabaret currently planning to relocate is a prime example of this, requiring two pieces of identification to gain entry.
I’m not saying that it doesn’t exist, but I’ve not been able to find a Nova Scotia government/agency website that lists acceptable identification to gain entry in a licensed establishment; only reference to the 19 years of age requirement. Xeno, I did see the site you referenced, but it’s a Canadian Convenience Stores Association site, so I wasn’t sure that any information provided would be directly applicable to this circumstance.
And, lovepink, according to Elections Canada, an Ontario Health Card is a piece of identification issued by a government agency.
http://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?secti…
I may just make a few phone calls tomorrow to get clarity because something that should be so simple, obviously is not.
Haven’t we covered this already in another bitch? It isn’t any more interesteing this time around.
This is for you pg
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/ravens-hand-gestu…
thanks troodon, amazing kritters
“We reserve the right to deny service to anyone”
Case closed
xeno, a business CAN exclude people, and if it does so on the basis of race, the onus is on the offended party to make a claim.
So yes, even though regulations outline what the minimum amount of id required is, a private establishment can go beyond that.
Heck, people probably believe that businesses are obligated to sell stuff to people, when in face they can refuse service ‘just because’…
I know, crazy, eh?
I don’t think it is crazy Cranky.
Some things take awhile to buy &/or sell
So having a rule saying a buyer can say no makes sense.
For say a retail business it may seem odd.
It may be considered by some to be bad business, or making little sense.
but for example, if you can’t agree on a price or of certain conditions…then I believe you should be able ,as a seller, to say “not interested”.
IF for example, it was someone in competition with you, I could see that as being a reason to say, not sell them something you have on sale or a ‘deal’ for actual customers. Which in some niche markets, good customers are rewarded, certainly no tthe competition.
Possible rethink or change of direction in what your business plan is evolving into
There are actually quite a few reasons I can think of as a person who has been in business for myself for many years to turn down business & that includes sales part for sure.
In closing do we really need more than one law ?
Do we need a law saying business that do this have to sell their products to anyone period.
Or this business everywhere in Canada has to serve anyone who comes through the door ?
personally the law now…..I like it as it is.
Perserve, just because Elections canada will accept a health card as ID doesn’t mean a province has to. Two different entities and level of government.
You guy’s do know a bar has the right to refuse service….for any reason. which could also be, no reason, & they are within their right to ask you to leave.
So it don’t matter if you’ve got dual citizenship, 2 passports & a every legal form of Canadian, Nova Scotian ID there is…they tell you to go, you gotta go !
Valid bitch Op 😀 I Love it when people get really pissed off about rules as though you invented them yourself that very morning to ruin their day 😀 Those bar hoppers should have been more responsible and gotten themselves IDs especially if they plan on drinking, kudos on not letting those whiny brats through 😀
Also, using a health card is bs! With no pic attached that could belong to anyone!! Sound like a couple of kids trying to pull a fast one 🙂
Bro Tim … my point wasn’t that the province has to accept the health card because Elections Canada does … in reference to the post from lovepink, I was simply indicating that an Ontario Health Card is considered government identification.
I don’t completely agree or disagree.. People shouldn’t make a giant fuss when turned away but it does suck… I’ve had to leave an establishment before with 2 friends because one of us didn’t have an ID on us yet that person didn’t even want to drink (in a pub). I was the youngest (27), they were both over 30. The one without ID was over 30.
I guess if the person serving you can’t tell if you’re 15 or 50 you’re shit out of luck. We went back another time and all had IDs. Almost got turned away again because the waitress didn’t believe my friend was 32. Wearing the same jacket as in the Nova Scotia drivers licence. Same face, everything. Not even sure she would have taken a birth certificate, passport and the mayors approval at this point. As much as I agree that people should have their ID’s in order and not make a huge fuss, sometimes its hard when dealing with morons like this.