I’ve had this commerce degree for over a year now and the only type of work I can seem to obtain is low-wage work that a high school grad is qualified for, such as restaurant work. I’ve been hitting the pavement, been volunteering in my field of study for quite some time, tried temp agencies, sent out my well-written resumes/cover letters all over the place to ENTRY-LEVEL positions I have the required skills for, etc. And because I don’t have an ‘in’ with the company or don’t have 3658493 years of experience, the interviews I get are few and far between. I’ve had two in-person interviews for “career positions” (to get my foot in the door) in the past year! TWO! I got one of them because I had an employee referral… Would I have gotten an interview had I not? Probably not. As for the other interview, I guess I lucked out because this company was satisfied enough with my skills, despite a lack of years of experience and not knowing someone inside. Of course I didn’t get either job, someone with a powerful ‘in’ or more than enough years of experience always gets hired. Unfortunately, 99% of NS companies have ridiculous standards to get into their lower-level jobs. No wonder people move for work! Come on, Halifax, get your act together, and make it easier for your people to find decent work! —No Job for You
This article appears in May 12-18, 2011.
No luck with temp agencies? Interesting. I had tons of luck with ’em. Led to my current job, in fact.
Maybe you should try a career counsellor? Just having the qualifications doesn’t mean you’re the most qualified — maybe you have poor communications and writing skills? Lord knows BComm students aren’t taught how to write properly in really any of their classes. Maybe your resume and cover letters are crappily put together? A career counsellor should be able to help you out.
And if it really is just that you have shitty luck, just hang in there — I finished school for good last May and I’m at the point where I’m turning down job offers. It didn’t happen overnight — I had to wait a long while for that to happen.
I finished a two year program offered by NSCC and I was hired right out of school. The rest of my class was also hired directly from school. We all work under the same umbrella field, but work in different sectors for different companies.
Don’t shit on Nova Scotia because you decided to go to university for an education that makes you over qualified for the level of job demand in our area. It’s a harsh reality, but a university level education doesn’t go as far as it did a few years ago. Nova Scotias economy relies heavily on trades and non-university educated individuals.
Keep at it kid, perseverance will pay off in the end.
Try practicing your interview techniques with a friend or two, and try to anticipate the questions.
What ever you do, save your sanity and don’t enter a debate with montremoleman on education/employment.
Wow you have a commerce degree. In other words, you have a heart beat. Given that pretty much everyone these days has at least one degree, your commerce degree is nothing but a $40,000 piece of paper unless you have a special certification like a CFA or CA to back it up (feeling duped, get in line). But don’t feel bad, if you had a plain old BA you’d be relegated to grad school or a coffee shop, if you’re lucky. Your best bet if you want money is to move to Alberta. Only then will you find an entry level white collar shop, but most likely it will involve working long hours learning how to manage a car rental company or whatever. Good luck (and welcome to Canada’s labour market).
Hey hugo.y u on me man? u mad brah? chill the internet is srs bsns but open debate is gud. o props to u on ur insult…u got me good brah lawl.
It wasn’t intended as a debate. I was pointing out the stupidity of expecting a job because of your level education then blaming the province when it can’t give you a job it doesn’t have. I apologize if I didn’t baby the OP enough.
Have you tried Job Junction OP?
http://www.jobjunction.ca/
Mino, unless you’re Sméagol’s sock-puppet, my comment was not directed at you.
Debate is fine, but there is little joy in flogging a hot bag of air.
hugo…y u have to ref smeagol? u mad at my dawg smeagol now 2? its 2 late 4 u hugo. we done man. u ded 2 me.
My problem lies in the early education system that pushes university level education rather than the trades. I feel bad that the person can’t find work, but certain fields require experience. To get experience you have to accept crap jobs with slight relation to your education. So my less hostile advice is to accept any job that relates to your field.
What I see all too often are the graduates who START looking for employment AFTER they finish school……WTF?
Not saying this is what you did but I identified the position I wanted and the type of organization I wanted to work for long before I graduated (actually it was before I started Uni) and the contacting/networking/schmoozing/hint-dropping began in my final year of school and I was offered my DREAM job at my #1 choice SIX months before graduation.
Who would spend the tuition on the HOPE a position would magically appear when you received your parchment? Perhaps some should don the pointy hat rather than the mortar board. ~
Start with the (wo)man in the mirror, OP. And don’t close your mind to other jobs, you may luck upon a job you absolutely love. Pad that résumé, your experience may provide better interview answers later on.
Also, it couldn’t hurt to learn to moonwalk. Just sayin’
EDUCATION vs TRAINING
Oh dear, oh dear, another train wreck. “No Job,” you must grasp a simple truth. A Bachelor of Commerce does not constitute an “Education.” It is simply a training diploma. The two things are radically distinct.
You must try and understand – a word not commonly found in the world of commerce which is ruled by fear and greed, No Job – that a Bachelor of Commerce and Education are mutually exclusive concepts. The latter concerns the cultivation of the mind, the former only with the cultivation of the bank account. (I recall saying this before, but “No Job” apparently has not registered this home truth.)
The title of your bitch should be “Trained with no Career.” That would be legitimate. The present title is not. Is it possible to change it?
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
i love your new handle monsieur and thanks for bringing back the whippet
3 weeks after finishing my university degree I had two great job offers that were “career positions”. Why? Because I had managed to get both an education and training by taking advantage of my school’s co-op programme.
Also, I had a kick-ass resume and interview skills.
For now, you should probably take the best job you can get and keep handing your resume around – after you have it reviewed by a career counsellor.
This isn’t a rare occurrence… how do people still get ‘duped’ into university? A large amount of my friends all have degrees and are working at crappy jobs that a 16 year old could also have. I actually make more than a lot of them and I’m just some lousy high school graudate, go figya! But I was reallly lucky to get the job I have. I found it on Job Bank actually and it was just supposed to be a temporary summer job but after the majority of the other youngins left here after summer to go back to university, I was able to stay and keep makin’ mad scrilla ;D! Next year I plan to go to school and I don’t regret going through the education process this way at all! I hate seeing people paying all this money for a bachelor’s degree and end up working in a minimum wage retail position but it’s the reality of today. Bachelor’s don’t mean nussin’ anymore.
Eh. I’ll never say i was “duped” into university because i feel it was a wholly worthwhile experience. It expanded my mind and shaped my intelligence and made me the intelligent, articulate and confident person I am today. I wouldn’t even recognize or know the person I was upon begining university to be honest.
I’m not saying everyone who didn’t/doesn’t go to university is unintelligent because I do not believe that once bit, but something has to be said about formal education and it’s often those who haven’t experienced it who are quick to trash it, just like the ignorant are usually the first ones to judge and/or feel their intelligence is superior to another because they haven’t learned how to open their minds to other possibilities.
Again, not all who don’t go to university are like that, but the ONLY people who ever or ever have criticize(d) my intelligence are people who are uneducated because they just don’t have the knowledge to understand all the possibilities being shown to them.
Maybe that makes me an academic snob, but I’d rather be an academic snob than uneducated. Money well spent imo (and hay! I even got a great job out of it! imagine that!).
OP, how many other people graduated from Nova Scotia universities with commerce degrees the year you graduated? How many of those are still out there competing for the same jobs you are? It comes down to supply & demand (hell, it’s a basic marketing concept). Just like all those people with teaching degrees who cannot find jobs. Have you applied for jobs in other provinces? Are you willing to move? Or are you only looking for work in Halifax? Or are you another one of those cookie-cutter, generic, new graduate types that don’t stand out from the crowd?
Bachalor of Commerce
What exactly does that give you ?
WHile I realise commerce factors into most aspects in todays capitalistic societies… how up are you on contract negotiation ?
Have you/can you run a company ?
Are you looking to become an accountant ?
What ‘skills’ are you bringing to the table …besides a piece of very pricey (pricey for you ) paper ?
I’m not knocking higher education, one of the problems as I have experienced it, is while you were getting educated ,someone else has started at the bottom in a business & worked themselves up to being upper management, or even owners. I own/run a company its unionized. Before I got involved in this business, I was a member in the union & actually I still am.
I have more than 13 years in contract negotiations on projects ranging from $150,000 up to 80 million with the bulk of the contracted work in the 2 to 10 million dollar range.
I have no university education, I started unloading the trucks & worked my way up over the last 29 years.
I’m not saying your way is the wrong way, or my way is somehow ‘better’ .
I’m just pointing out while you were spending several years in school, I was making money & moving up the ladder & the first year had me out of the truck & on the floor, by year 3, I was running a crew, by year 5, I was a foreman/supervisor. Plus I never had a huge student debt load to pay & I definately had no problem getting my foot in the door…they were holding the door open & begging for loaders when I started !
When you don’t know shit…starting at the bottom isn’t all bad, when your educated…the bottom is for those uneducated saps -Just my opinion on that educated vs uneducated –
I have a BA. I loved my program. I wasn’t in it for a “job” at the end though, that’s not reality, I was in it for all those reasons PK mentioned. But here I have, with “career” oriented positions. Always have. And I was looking for work in a much smaller town than you when I got out!
But I worked throughout my education, getting real experience in the summers. So that helped a lot.
And get your resume seen by someone else! My best friend has had a terrible time getting interviews and we couldn’t understand it… then she showed me her resume which she thought was fine. Ugh, it was awful. And I now do an awful lot of hiring, I wouldn’t have looked at hers either.
Have some sympathy people!
Getting a job in Nova Scotia DOES suck right now. Full time positions are getting cut everywhere, these people that have had their jobs cut, are moving into lower positions, and are getting hired because of more experience.
I feel your pain Op, really I do.
You guys do realize that, unless you do run your own business, you might be “working your way up” if you start while others are getting an education and you might be making more than them when they first graduate, but it’s the one with the education that’s going to advance quicker and in the long run, I highly DOUBT those without the education are going to be making more than those with by the time both are set to retire. And, in some industries there’s only so far a person can go these days without a degree.
I wasn’t in my BA to get a “job” either — I knew full well a BA wasn’t going to get you anything and I even remember discussing that in one of my first year classes. It’s essential to either get some work experience while in university or to go on and do another program (like law, or an MPA or an MLIS).
And maybe, More-on, if you HAD’VE gotten even a basic post secondary education, you’d be able to spell properly.
You’ve got it T&T. Plus, the baby boomers won’t fucking retire so there’s no upward job movement and the entry level jobs are staying filled.
I figure, though, in another 10 years the BBs will FINALLY give it up and there’ll be some jobs opening up. Until then, it’s gonna be slow goin’ around here.
yeah, but cemetery plots will be at a premium then… better start saving now.
Creamation, my friend. Creamation.
Spelling nazi’s are the biggest assholes out there…just sayin’ hay !
I just hired a person with a couple of University degrees, & over 15 years of experience…imagine, her working for me ~:p
And yes, I’m aware that I spelled that wrong.
no such luck o.p., halifax is geared to keep the rich, getting richer, and the poor, well fuck them. it will never change til kelly is out of office, or hell freezes over, and i hear that there are reports of ice, being seen on the river styx.
take what you can get, til something better comes your way. sorry, but that is life, in this town. but on the bright side, min. wage went up a bit more.
You wanna hear a funny story about grave plots.
I paid over a thousand dollars more so I could have a standing stone, as opposed to one that lies flat on the ground. Plus the fee you pay for ‘residency’ ( I love that term for all the dead people …residents)
which is actually for upkeep of the cemetary was more than double that for those with a lay down marker (I guess the extra time & whipper snipper cord , has to be figured in ~;)
Don’t even get me going on how it is cheaper to buy a stone, have it custom done in INDIA, & shipped to Nova Scotia…than getting it here ! ! ! the distance is over 9000 kms, & the stone is HEAVY , the one I’m looking at is 400 lbs.
I’m not talking a bit cheaper, I’m talking substantially cheaper.
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yes more, you are right there, friend. i have a bach. of sc. in pol.sci. and it did/does squat for me. even taught neo politics for awhle at dal., but no tenure. what can i really say to anyone just starting out? unless your family owns/runs firm, you are basically fucked, from the git go
i have tons of experience in a wide area of jobs, i could get most any i want in a flash, but i am happy doing what i want, when and where i want. i do data securty, and am hapy with it. i have my bills paid, and cash for other things. if i want something, i get it, or leave it the hell there. listen to more, and those that have been there o.p., this is the voices of reason, and realism.
I’m with you Life Sucks…& quality of life is better than scads of money….not that you don’t need some money, you just don’t have to be a millionaire to have a good life style & for me, time with friends & family, good times trumps a million dollars in the bank.
I could work longer hours, I actually have been offered similar jobs in Toronto & BC that pay better, have more contracts per year (more bonuses = even more money) but you have to be available all the time.
I love being able to pick & choose.
You gotta have some coin, but your health is IMO very important & that’s mental as well as physical health.
Putting it simply, for career hunting, don’t hesitate to relocate. At first I never thought that I’d have to move from Montreal to Halifax after I graduated but here is where employment was found and here is where I still am after a few years and still loving what I do.
I’m not saying that university is a waste of time or anything, I would absolutely love to go if I was uber rich. I just think it’s a huge price to pay to look at things differently. I don’t think anyone should expect a job after going to university but in the long run, yes it would probably be more beneficial than going to a college but no one said you can’t do both ;D!
: Sucks (May 12, 4:27PM) –
He has “a bach. of sc. in pol.sci.”
What did that look like, Sucks? Were you solving political problems with chemicals? Maybe working with Zyklon B at Treblinka?
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
Two words buddy. St. John’s. One of the best economy’s in the country. While NS is declining, NL is growing. Tonnes of jobs, fabulous people, and transit that works. Bus drivers actually wait for you!! You will find yourself thinking you landed on Mars (I did). As a former Haligonian I was shocked at how normal, efficient, sensible and rational SJ is compared to Hali. They actually don’t wear their privilege and corruption proudly! Jump on in, the water’s warm! (It’s basically like Halifax anyway but WAY better – no crime, no graffiti on historic buildings, a viable downtown, no homeless people bumming you for change, etc).
Welcome to the world of an NDP government. If you can push a broom and belong to the NSGEU you can earn 60 grand a year.There are freakingt bus drivers that earn 75 grand a year here. I have an MBA and I know of lazy union janitors who make as much as I do in this province. So I am totally sympathetic to the OP. You need to go to trade school and get a degree in sanitation engineering and then call your local union rep. Or, join the thousands of other Nova Scotians, rent a Uhaul, and move out of this overtaxed, jobless province.
I hate this topic, NEXT!
Im willing to bet you are socially awkward.
I, too, find it frustrating to see a job posting and see they want 84 years of experience. Um, how am I supposed to get experience if no one will give it to me?
Anyway, these days people need to be thankful they’re employed. I’m not saying they can’t want and work toward something better. Having a job = income. Income > no income.
Perhaps you’re like me: your resume looks really great, but you don’t interview quite so well. I get panicky and don’t articulate well in interviews, which then makes the employer question your skill ability.
Good luck. I understand your frustration.
Um, yeah Sal. I thank Mary, Joseph, Allah, Jesus, Mohammed, and my lucky stars for the job I have. Even if it’s part time & summer it’s a job and I’m happy to have it!!!
just because they request work experience doesn’t mean they may not give you a shot at an interview without it… apply all the same.
they also have to keep your resume on file for .. 6 mnths I think which they also may draw on in the future.
Because you have no or less experience… you may be a good candidate for cheaper labour.. if you can show them you’re smart enough and willing to work.
I’m really glad I waiting so long to go back to school because of this bitch. All too often I see resumes at my work (drugstore) from people with degrees and diplomas and everything and they’re applying for CASHIER? I took the time to find something with a balance of
1) good pay
2)something I’m passionate about
3)something in DEMAND
before I spent thousands of dollars 🙂
I agree with ALMOST everything PK has said… my BA got me a great job with the Federal Government right out of school, and it has helped me move up within the last two years. I definitely think having a degree is a great start… without it, most Fed jobs won’t even consider hiring you if they have another person who’s qualified with a degree. Although, I plan on getting my MBA so I can move up. I’m like PK, I think the more education you have,can only be a good thing. Although, that doesn’t mean it has to be a university degree… trades and other things are great too.
I just turned down a job (for a number of reasons) where I was picked as the number one candidate with no practical experience in one side of the job description over 4 other people with experience (out of a pre screening of 100+ resumes), and they told me they really did want someone with at least 3-5 years of experience, but they chose me because they were thoroughly impressed with my interview, knew I was smart and knew I would catch on quickly (I had the education behind me, but no practical experience). This was a management-level position.
So Zed’s right. NEVER not apply for a job because you don’t feel you have the experience. It really doesn’t hurt.
Also: ALWAYS do co-op if you have the option. I did it in my BPR (required) and it gave me over a year of experience which is better than having none. I got a letter from the Dean in my last program inviting me to do their Co op program because of my GPA (not required so higher GPA required), but I had already done one and didn’t want to spend any more time to get my last credentials.
Oh, and what did you major in, OP? Most majors in Commerce have professional organizations where you can get professional credentials. For example, I’m going to start working on my CHRP designation in the fall, and I’m a member of CPRS (but considering IABC). So, if you did comms, you could join IABC, if you did HR, get your CHRP designation, and if you did accounting or finance get a CA, CGA or CMA.
It’s silly to think you can get a job with only a 4 year bachelor of commerce and no professional development behind it. Besides, IABC/CPRS/CHRP events, for example, are great networking opportunities. Networking is CRUCIAL in business.
Also, I learned this tip from my HR studies: make contact with people in organizations you’d like to work for who would be the one to hire you and ask them if you could coe in for an informational interview where you ask THEM questions about how they got their job, the industry, etc…. Treat it like THEY’RE interviewing you. And before you leave, slip them your resume/mini portfolio/card. Puts a face/personality to a resume. I’ve only done that once and that one time was enough to get me a job offer and EXCELLENT networking opportunities.
Often times you have to show the employer that you’re smart and you just have to impress that one right person who “gets” you and you’ll see job offers. I actually had a meeting with a lady at a professional recruiting agency and she told me she would recommend me to any employer in my field that came her way. 🙂
Oh, and I didn’t know anyone to get in… I find it offensive when people automatically assume I must have known someone to get my job.
OB, maybe like some of the others are saying, there’s something lacking in your resume or you social skills that’s keeping you from getting hired.
OP, I feel your pain. It took me six months to find a job in my field after I graduated. I did all the volunteering (still do), all the pounding pavement – but there are 2 important things you need to know. 1: if you apply for a job that is posted on an online website, know that the majority of people applying already have a job and may have a couple years in the field. It may be entry level, but they’re not management material yet, and they may have been on contract or working a mat leave or they just don’t like where they’re working. 2: the rate of job openings is tied to retirements and job creation. In a volatile economy when the price of gas, electricity, water and groceries are increasing, people are not retiring and companies are not expanding at a fast enough rate.
Lastly, I know it’s easy to blame Halifax or Nova Scotia for not getting a job, but it’s not the city’s job to make sure you have the job you want. You gotta look at yourself, look at what you want, and somehow make it happen. If you are a good fit for a job, you will get hired for it.
I know mine was a perfect storm of timing…
one person’s misfortune turned into my last 7 years of employment.
if it’s not who you know, it could just be right place, right time.
rain resume’s… someone will bite.
You’d be surprised at how often that is the case, zed. It’s like all the wheels were set in motion for me to get my current job. A total case of C being equal to A plus B, and things that I thought were shitty deals, turned out to be the best things to ever happen to me.
I had a dream the other night my contract at my current job ended and I had to go back to my last job. I woke up in a sweat and easily classified it as a nightmare. I thought it was OK at the time, but having my current job makes me realize that I was disillusional. LOL.
Basically, I worked up until Xmas, got three weeks off and was offered my current job, which I love and loves me 🙂
a + b != c…..
though
a^2 + b^2 == c^2 !
🙁
it’s ok… we all know kitties can’t do maths…
http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.…
lol Pwned.
kittehs might not be able to do mathz but i can CERTAINLY put two and two together!
🙁
Ok I think I’m pretty good at maths but what does == mean?
Actually in all seriousness I’m a math superstar. Almost did a BSc with a double major in Bio and Math instead of the BAH.
== Is used for comparing two values in many programming languages, whereas = is used for assigning values.
WELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL THEN
OP here.
Thanks for the advice everyone, I appreciate it. I will keep your suggestions in mind as I continue on with my career hunting. I didn’t much job hunting during school, so I kick myself for that.
Funny though, right after I wrote this bitch, a temp agency called me and now I have a scheduled consultation with them, AND an interview with a certain bank (it’s the same company that previously gave me the interview withOUT the employee referral too!!!)
Nasty, thanks for the link.
PK, my major was HR so I may pursue the CHRP designation.
Aw shit man. HR? Really?
Heh, we were probably in some classes together (because we would’ve graduated together) 😛
Problem with HR is, it’s hard as HELL to get your foot in the door because there just aren’t that many job opportunities. Try CHRP plus payroll certification. I’m glad i have my PR as a back up because HR isn’t really going to do much for me entry-level wise.
Good luck though. You’ll likely have to look for jobs outside HR and then once you’re in an organization you can move into HR.
It’s funny too because SO many people inquire about the HR program and have no idea that the jobs are just not there.
I completely understand why you’re having issues, Mitten. And you have my deepest DEEPEST sympathies. Hang in there, dude!
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You and several hundred others have that same piece of paper, OB. A university degree/education – like ISO certification – guarantees nothing. There’s nothing out there stating that the paper is going to get you a job immediately yet some university programs will say that (like mine and PK’s circa 2005-08).
For now, try the temp agencies and counseling. Get your name out there through networking. Before landing my position working with three levels of government I was invited for an interview with Manulife Financial when the director came across my resume through someone else. Didn’t get the job but director was impressed with my background to date then.
Even go back and get your MBA for now if you’re not doing anything. Before finding the job I looked around for a long while and after a bit decided to pursue my masters which helped greatly. Now I make very decent pay and will soon have a third degree to hang on my office wall next to the Usama-bin-Laden-beating-up-Al-Gore painting done by Bro Tim.
I’m also a DJ and in a band called Donair Avenue with wheelie p and Ivan Mad Trader Amin.
JOBS! JOBS! JOBS!
“A university degree/education – like ISO certification – guarantees nothing. There’s nothing out there statng that the paper is going to get you a job …”
(“Donairious NGF”, 6:43 PM)
Well, of course, Donairious, this is obviously the case, even to someone of limited intelligence such as yours. A university education (i.e., a degree) as opposed to a training school diploma, is not going to get you a job. But it is your narrow, materialist and pragmatic world-view which supposes that it will in the first place.
Donairious, get one thing straight: An education is one thing, a job is another. Can you separate those two concepts in your mind, Donairious?
No, I didn’t think so.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
If you need to borrow money, MM, that’s not the proper way to ask 😉 Is your intelligence also that limited to even figure that out? The pleasure was all mine.
NGF – “Is your intelligence also that limited to even figure that out?” – Rhetorical question, right?
I wonder what annie has done with all those decades of training (besides a PhDuh)? Write a book?
What I find amusing is he now refers to himself as Donairious. And talks to himself. That nigga just wish he wuz me.
“Donairious, get one thing straight: An education is one thing, a job is another. Can you separate those two concepts in your mind, Donairious? No, I didn’t think so.”
I play the banjo in Donair Avenue. We do a bitchin’ hiphop version of Foggy Mountain Breakdown.
DONAIRIOUS’ IDENTITY CONFUSION
: “Donairious” (May 15, 10:33PM)
“What I find amusing is he now refers to himself as Donairious. And he talks to himself. That nigga just wish he wuz me.”
It was probably the lateness of the hour when he posted, but Donairious’ amusement might well betoken more serious psychological problems. Perhaps you (Donairious) should consider seeking out professional help. I (Monsieur de Montréal) will be looking forward to any updates. I did, however, enjoy your crudely racist comment.
But “identity” is, of course, a fundamental philosophical problem as well. Perhaps Donairious has introspected the contents of his mind and… found nothing! If Donairious so wishes, I (Monsieur de Montréal) can conduct conceptual deconstruction.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
Foggy Mountain Breakdown – Misty Mountain Hop…hmmmm…
Bringing your Banjo to the Summer Summit Ivan?
annie – chortle, such captivating rapier wit, such prose, you sure put him in his place – NOT.
Seriously smeghead, if you can’t do better that that, why post?
If we hold it at a nude beach I’ll pretty much have to, won’t I? >; )
Now Madamoiselle de Montreal thinks he’s PK Subban. This just gets funnier 😀
DONAIRIOUS’ IDENTITY CONFUSION (II)
: Donairious (11:10AM) – “Now Mademoiselle de Montreal thinks he’s P.K. Subban. This just gets funnier.”
Donairious’ reference to P.K. Subban indicates the level of his intelligence, but no matter. The real problem is philosophical.
As with philosophical primitives generally, Donnairious confronts the philosophical problem of his identity with (what he takes to be) humour. But does Donairious know who he is?
Philosophically speaking, one can either conceive of one’s identity as the product of “funded experiences” or, more simply, of memories. Does Donairious have identity-shaping memories? Will he share them with us?
Alternatively, for some (like me) grounding identity in memory is excessively passive. For them (as for me) identity is more a question of “agency,” i.e., what one actually does. However, the question of agency, while undefined, simply pushes the question back one step. In other words, what is to be understood by “agency?”
Will Donairious chance his arm on this one?
We await Donairious’ reflections on these points. The nature of his identity (and the nature of his mind) turn on his reply.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
I like to pee in that guy’s fucking gas tank!
You don’t actually think that smeghead can drive, do you?
He’s got the situational awareness of goldfish.
DONAIRIOUS’ IDENTITY CONFUSION (III)
: Donairious (May 16, 4:54PM) – “I like to pee in that guy’s fucking gas tank.”
Readers will recall the last sentence of my previous post: “The nature of his identity (and the nature of his mind) turns on his reply.”
I think we have our answer.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
Readers won’t recall that.
DONAIRIOUS’ IDENTITY CONFUSION ((IV)
: Donairious (11:30AM) – “Readers won’t recall that.”
Oh yes they will, Donairious. They’re not as stupid as you are.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
Nobody has recalled it yet. Your theory failed.
Point to Donairious, but I don’t recall what it was about 😉
I was surfing the interwebz, and came across a not-so-interesting paper written by our resident PhDuh. It seem that annie has a hate on for “Feminist Pedagogy”, basically he says that there is no such thing.
I’d post the link, but it would be in violation of LTWWB rules of identifing people, so I wont ;(
I was wondering, why such disdain? So I did a little more reading about Feminist Pedagogy, and I found out why. Here’s a simplified example.
Teaching is based on three principles:
Strive for egalitarian relationships in the classroom – don’t dominate
To try to make all students feel valued as individuals – don’t humiliate
To use the experience of students as a learning resource –
don’t indoctrinate
Domination, humiliation and indoctrinate, a must for a narcissist, so it would be impossible for Montremoleman to, ahem ‘teach’ any other way.
“Men are born ignorant, not stupid. They are made stupid by education.”
— Bertrand Russell
“IS THERE A FEMINIST PEDAGOGY?”
I see that the Turd has made reference to my paper, “Is There a Feminist Pedagogy?” (McGill Journal of Education, Vol 25, no. 3, Fall, 1994. pp. 325-340) which I previously gave at the annual conference of The Philosophy of Education Society of Great Britain at New College, Oxford University. Predictably, however, the Turd has misconstrued my point and purpose which was not to convey my “disdain” for a feminist pedagogy but rather to point out that it lacked a coherent philosophical (epistemological) basis. In other words, to be coherent a pedagogy must be secured by a coherent epistemology or a coherent theory of knowledge and, by extension, a theory of knowledge acquisition commonly known as “learning.”
The abstract of the journal article, given as a preamble to the article itself, should be self-explanatory:
ABSTRACT
“The following paper attempts to show that there is no ‘feminist pedagogy.’ It is maintained that there is a failure to establish either methodological or epistemological grounds on which such a pedagogy might be based. In the case of methodological grounds, the claim is seen to be either rhetorically empty or, where ‘conscious-raising’ is invoked, to be disingenuous. In the case of epistemological grounds, the claim to a distinct feminist pedagogy which appeals to gender distinctions deriving from Freudian theory is seen to be vacuous. Where the epistemological claim appeals to ‘postmodernism,’ it is seen to be incoherent.”
Now, Turd, did you get that?
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
I’m really flattered annie;) that you take the time to read each and every one of my posts, gosh-golly. Wow, I must be the highlight of your day =)