Well I’m very happy to hear that illegal downloads will hopefully be prosecuted here in Canada. The States has succesfully recovered funds from over 200,000 (in less than 2 years) individuals and countless others that have complied and paid the fines to avoid being named in a lawsuit. I have great faith in the Montreal firm that is pioneering this case for the courts. There is no excuse for illegally downloading anything, only a grandoise sense of perverted entitlement. I don’t care if the copyright owners have billions in the bank, it is still their work, effort and creativity and they deserve compensation no matter how rich they are. Now there is a $5,000 limit on damages awarded to non-commercial copyright infringment unlike the States, but I am confident its enough. The firm in question currently has over one million different evidence files containing users personal IPs to pursue and thats only the beginning. It is the only form of stealing that is socially acceptable and there is something terribly wrong with that. —KPK
This article appears in May 9-15, 2013.
You might want to wait before the celebrations. The whole process has a good chance of being quashed where they’re trying to get IP addresses from Teksavvy.
Fuck you, OP.
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Stolen music, eh?!
Is is hurting you personally in some way???? Why do you care? Let others do it if they want, there are still plenty of people doing things the legal way… Buying a blueray for $30+ bucks… aint no body got money fo that!
Tom Cruise and all the other actor millionaires will be JUST fine, fuck lining their pockets.
You want to remove one of our few weapons against the corporate machine?!
We’ll be nearly defenseless now
Just magnet link that shit up and don’t worry about it. The cost to prosecute and win will be more than the 5K cap.
People like KPK can can go blow a gasket getting mad about this stuff. It’s funny.
Shit, half of the shows are already online via the network websites…
Not to mention methods of spoofing Ip’s and the like.
There’ll always be a way to get around it.
I don’t see this holding any water down the road.
Whatever op.. just because you can’t figure out how to use Bittorrent..
Besides. REAL pirates don’t use those commercial programs anymore. If i want something, I get it via private FTP.
So go fuck your mother.
And btw whose creativity are you even talking about you moron? You DO realize it’s not the artist that profits from this, right?
You think the creativity of giant entertainment conglomerates (including Apple) is what’s at work to produce the music you listen to? Well.. pfft.. maybe the music YOU listen to op. But not me. Those artists won’t feel a breeze. Just goes into the CEO’s dirty pockets.
Dumb as dirt…
The philosophical school you subscribe to op is known as Deontology. That rules are the most important thing in building one’s moral compass.
In other words, op, let’s call it philosophy for dummies.
Oh, and here’s me thinking you meant the Urban Dictionary version of Dirty Pirate:
. the dirty pirate
The dirty pirate is when you’re doing your girl in the butt and when you’re ready to bust one you spit on her back and she turns around and you blow in her eye and then kick her in the shin. Thus she only has 1 work-able eye and 1 work-able leg. Dancing around like a dirty pirate.
Pfft 200,000 people in the US is peanuts. Especially when A LOT mo’ than 200k people are downloading shit.
You’re a stupid fuckface who should stfu and mind your own business, OB.
“Downloading copied music is legal in some countries in the context of the copyright, such as Canada,[22] The Netherlands,[23] and Spain,[24] provided that the songs are not sold. In Canada it is legal to download any copyrighted file as long as it is for non-commercial use, but it is illegal to distribute the copyrighted files (e.g. by uploading them to a P2P network).
As long as you don’t share what you download for free, you are not legally liable for piracy or copyright infringement, in Canada. That chicken hawking law firm can go fuck itself and so can you, OB!!!!
Just because there are worse crimes doesn’t make one crime ok, Meaty.
I’d like to see you people record an album, to spend your hard earned time and money, not to mention the artistic effort and painstaking creative decisions required. Then, if that wasn’t hard enough, spend time coming up with marketing strategies, branding, all of which, of course, come after the stages of building a name for yourself, playing for free or next to nothing, maybe for years, paying for gas and food to go on the road to spread your name, constantly doing everything you can to perfect your craft, ALL WHILE LIKELY HOLDING DOWN A FULL TIME JOB, MIND YOU, only for the final product you worked your whole life just to have the opportunity to release be ripped off by people who call themselves fans and supporters.
Those same “fans” probably have the nerve to wonder why there has been such a drastic decline in the quality of music over the past several years. BECAUSE PIRATES MAKE IT TOO RISKY OF AN INVESTMENT.
Do any of you know how record deals work? Let’s say you got a deal “worth” $250 000. Do you know that that means? It means that if you don’t sell $250 000 worth of records you owe the record label the difference. It’s just a fancy word for a loan. So whether you buy the record or not, the label and the parent company (Universal, Sony etc) still get paid. You’re only screwing the artist.
Now if no one likes your record and therefore nobody buys it, that’s life, but people who do like it and chose to steal it instead of buy it, that’s just dirty.
It might only take 3 minutes to listen to a song but you can bet it took a lot longer than that to make, not to mention promote and release.
Record company business models are archaic and out of date, yes, but you’re not sticking it to the man when you pirate, you’re sticking it to the artist. Not to mention bootleg MP3s just sound like crap compared to the real thing.
First off I’m amazed there is another KPK out there. Hello! Good points have been made already, but online piracy is not limited to music and movies. I also think the aim of this law is to focus on the multi million dollar part of the piracy industry. There are many organized crime groups (for lack of a better term) that finance part of their organizations with this sort of behaviour. I do like the sense of entitlement term though, because as has been already demonstrated on this thread everyone seems to think its alright to steal things in this form as no one is watching and the supposed victims are already rich. Keep in mind online piracy is not limited to just ripping off huge corporations, the little guy (or girl) suffers too, not nearly the same in monetary amounts though. There are hundreds of multi million dollar retail companies operating in our country, but its wrong to walk in their doors and steal merchandise. Anyone walk into HMV and steal movies and CD’s? Not as many people as those that would download the material, double standard in thievery I guess….. Thats the point I was left with as a fellow KPK.
the states has 10x our population. i don’t download anything but twd and ahs
The theft of intellectual property is, most emphatically, NOT a victimless crime
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELtzZ5lJnBk
meow, so tragic
I pay for all my games, and I’d gladly pay for for the shows I like and will when Canadian Netflix doesn’t suck moose chunder. Until then, a downloading and VPNing I go.
If OP has a better suggestion on how to get my hands on that FANtastic Adrian Mole show, I’d like to hear it.
*moose chunder* nice
Things I’ve learned so far;
1- If there is a more serious crime anywhere in the world then we cannot worry about any minor crimes.
2- If you do not agree with a manufacturers or retail set price, then it is ok to steal the item.
3- If you can mask your identity, then its alright to steal something.
4- If something is not provided by Netflix, it is ok to steal it.
5- If something is rare or hard to find, then once again it is ok to steal the item.
6- If you pay for one service, then that entitles you to steal another service.
7- One poster wants to fuck the OB.
I love the perverted sense of entitlement, lol.
I don’t remember claiming it was okay up there, but whatever turns your crank.
I try, painy.
we all do our best
Excellent points Thomas. Though I will say I am guilty of downloading some of my favourite tunes. Now I feel really shitty about it. Thanks a lot Thomas!
I do it too Reg, but I buy it if I like it, if I don’t like I delete it. We all do it but I hate when people act like its not stealing and it’s not real people, and ultimately art that suffers. The CEOs will be just fine, it’s the entire industry of artists that are being put through the ringer, chewed up and spit out, microwaved, consumed and discarded every minute of every day because art is SO disposable these days, especially music. Pirating is a big reason for that, we can’t kid ourselves. If we keep stealing it will cease to exist and we’ll be robbed of yet another form of expression and communication.
*steps off soapbox*
Well said TJ. Why do the same people who think downloading and not paying for IP (movies, music, books, etc) is okay, but wouldn’t think of going into a store and steal merchandise? Please tell me why it’s okay to steal music off the net but not okay to steal a ring at your local jewellery store?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up863eQKGUI
I believe there’s also a fairly large demographic of people who only download BECAUSE it’s free. Technically no lost revenue because they would never have actually bought the song/movie, even if the ability to download it wasn’t available to them.
TJ, I think online piracy would only stop mainstream music, whereas local musicians could better weather the storm. I find the more obscure the band is the harder it is to find on the internet. So new and upcoming musicians, or local bands, just wouldn’t have the web presence to be severely effected by piracy. That would be my take, maybe I’m misreading the situation though.
I should admit that I’m a pirate myself. Almost all cinephiles these days are pirates; It’s the only way to scratch the itch and remain above the poverty line.
On a final note… Mainstream musicians get paid too much. Like sports stars, the money they generate is inversely proportional to the value they hold in a society. When Nurses, Paramedics, Carpenters, and Farmers are earning comparable wages, then I’ll start mourning for the musicians.
Who ever said it was ‘stealing’ ?
You’re not depraving anyone of anything…
such as walking into a store and taking a cd.
The store doesn’t have that cd anymore to sell… that’s stealing.
Don’t fool yourself into thinking this is that.
Those fucking ISP’s make enough,
they should share the (gross amount of) profits kinda like the tax we have on cd’s that goes back to the record labels…. which, as harper pointed out, allows our rampant downloading to go unpunished.
If there’s a legitimate way for me to get what I want that isn’t horribly restrictive, 9 times out of 10 I’ll use it. If that avenue doesn’t exist, however, then it’s off to The Pirate Bay.
Things I’ve learned so far;
8- If something is horribly restrictive it is alright to steal. Weapons now come to mind.
I’m still loving the perverted sense of self entitlement. The excuses presented on this thread are very similar to every felons story that’s behind bars. They always have an excuse to justify their behaviour, ALWAYS!
PS- There is only one KPK. Hello!
Out of sheer laziness, I buy all my music now from iTunes. But what pisses me off is how i can only have a certain amount of registered devices to play the tunes. So I can’t play my stuff on my pc because my iphone and macbook are registered and I have to get approval to switch things over. It’s a crock of shit, so I can understand why people could get fed up since they ARE paying for a product and then told what they can and can’t do with it. A few years back Sony started doing this with their CDs and would make you install software on your computer to play the cd on there that you had bought. This software left your computer prone to a virus and later on Sony had to pay out millions in class action lawsuit settlements because of it.
I also pay for my netflix, and am very happy with the selection of the version I have.
Also: i don’t consider watching tv shows online stealing because a) I pay my cable bill and b) i can record them on my pvr so I’ve already paid for the show through my cable bill and could record it anyway (perfectly legal to pvr a show) — i’m just watching something I’ve already paid for at a later date.
Not to mention all the content out there that either you would never be exposed to or just don’t have access to.
“TJ, I think online piracy would only stop mainstream music, whereas local musicians could better weather the storm. I find the more obscure the band is the harder it is to find on the internet. So new and upcoming musicians, or local bands, just wouldn’t have the web presence to be severely effected by piracy. That would be my take, maybe I’m misreading the situation though.”
Without mainstream music there is no up and coming musicians. If people can’t make a living doing something they’re not going to do it. Surely you can understand that.
“On a final note… Mainstream musicians get paid too much. Like sports stars, the money they generate is inversely proportional to the value they hold in a society.”
No offense to you personally but I HATE this argument. I think it is just plain dumb and fails to take into account how capitalism works. Nurses and doctors and everyone else went to school to get their certification knowing how much they could realisticly expect to make. The fact that an athlete or actor or musician makes x amount of money does not effect that whatsoever. Taking money out of musicians pockets doesn’t benefit the nurses or tradespeople or anyone else. It benefits YOU and you only, just admit that you pirate because you don’t want to pay for it and leave nurses and mechanics and everyone else out of it. There is no relation.
Mainstream musicians don’t get paid squat unless their art generates revenue. As I explained in my earlier post a “record deal” is really just a business loan. How would you have it work? Give the label an even bigger cut? The artist already walks away with much less than half of the money their prouct that THEY CREATED FROM SCRATCH generates. And you think they’re overpaid? Their life is not like in the music videos.
This isn’t the 60s. There are no record label A&Rs with a pocket full of cash walking around looking for acts to sign. You have to invest time and money into getting their attention by building your own fanbase before they’ll even listen to the first 5 seconds of your song. Artists nowadays have to create the art, promote it, pay out of their own pocket for touring, merchandise, t-shirts, demo CDs etc. It takes YEARS to break even from music. It’s a bold and daring investment that you take for granted when you press play. Without artists taking huge risks and investing everything there’s no art.
Know what else? Nurses can be nurses for 20-30 years if they want to. Musicians are lucky if their career lasts 5. When you look at it that way do they really make that much more money than the rest of us? A select few are filthy stinking rich, sure, but it’s a minute percentage, whereas 100% of people who are certified to be a nurse or whatever else can have a well paying job if they want one bad enough (willing to relocate, etc). If they’re laid off they get EI. I can’t claim EI if my record doesn’t sell. My friends that I went to high school with who are nurses or tradespeople are making more money than anyone I know in my age group. They’ll be just fine. That doesn’t make it OK to steal from them, the same applies to a musician or anyone else.
My room mate started the Jimmy Swift Band. They sold a bunch of records and toured all over the world. He’s 42 and lives with 2 room mates, looking for a third in an old run down house in Fairview. He’s not partying with supermodels and drinking champagne every night, he works from home as a graphic designer and bounces part time just so that he can use whatever spare time he has to make music and help out local artist. The band that he started is fairly well known. He is what you would call poor.
And finally, without people in the private sector making lots of money, including theses overpaid musicians, we would have no nurses, or we would have to pay the nurses even less. So you stealing from Canada-based musicians indirectly effects those working in the public sector. Stealing is stealing.
The argument that because there are people out there who you might think aren’t paid enough for the job they signed up to do, it’s ok to steal from some people is nothing short of ridiculous and self serving.
Another difference between nurses and people who pursue a career in music or sports is that there are no guarantees, or even maybes. You want to be a doctor? You go to med school, you study hard to work your ass off, I’m not suggesting it’s easy but if you do everything you’re supposed to do, you WILL be a doctor, whereas musicians and athletes sacrifice a ton and work their asses off just for a CHANCE at MAYBE having a career and then when they finally do start to see a return on their blood sweat and tears their career could end in the blink of an eye. Try doing a search on one hit wonders or athletes that are known as “busts”. People who were, by all accounts supposed to have long and successful careers and then because of an injury or just bad luck they didn’t. Their lifes work, gone just like that. If you had sacrficed and risked what they have, and you knew that you’re only one knee injury away from an early retirement, damn right you’re gonna think you deserve more money than someone who played it safe and took a trade or certification that was likely/guaranteed to get them a steady, decent paying job that they can keep until they retire. Especially when the team that pays you is worth hundred of millions, or sometimes over a billion dollars. You know that’s true.
This is not a “oh poor musicians they have it so rough let’s all shed a tear for them” post. I don’t want you to fell sorry for me. I make music because it’s what I love to do, I don’t care if it makes me rich or not, and I’m still in the stages or giving it away for free just to get it out there. Pirating doesn’t hurt my pockets personally but I think it hurts the art in general because it makes it cheap and disposable. Like I said earlier, when something is no longer worth investing in the quality drops and the investors, in this case the labels, are not able to take as many risks. Without risks there is no art.
I just think that people don’t like to admit to themselves that they’ve done something wrong and will do whatever it takes to justify it. I’ve pirated a TON of stuff over the years but I don’t try to justify it. It’s stealing, and it’s wrong, and if I get charged I will do take the punishment like an adult.
Someone posts a bitch about speeding, the “but everyone else does it” defense gets shot down, rightfully so. The same should apply for piracy.
Thanks to whoever read this book of a post.
As the OB, TJ said it better then I ever could. His is worth reading more than mine.
The fate of music isn’t as apocalyptic as you have portrayed it, TJ. Music has existed in fine form for thousands of years, removing the ability to profit from the art will not diminish it’s prevalence in society.
You’re also greatly exaggerating the risks of entering the music industry. It might have a higher than average financial risk, but relatively low personal risk (such as personal health affected by a profession). So what if a music career only lasts 5 years? You can always get into medicine afterwards… “I’m not suggesting it’s easy but if you do everything you’re supposed to do, you WILL be a doctor”
“Try doing a search on one hit wonders or athletes that are known as “busts”.” Try doing a search on workplace related injuries, I guarantee the number of “busts” is much higher for people who… “played it safe and took a trade or certification that was likely/guaranteed to get them a steady, decent paying job that they can keep until they retire”. It’s a fallacy to assume that having a trade insures life long employment. Of course these people aren’t attention starved children that require stage time just to validate their own existence. No matter how difficult you think the profession is, a whole year in a musicians shoes doesn’t come close to a single month in a nurses position.
Disregarding the parts of your post that made no sense, all you did was hype up the importance of egotistic musicians who play music for a living in the same way a whore sells her body for money. I never said that online piracy wasn’t stealing, only that it’s not a serious problem. The problem is billion dollar record companies, sports teams, and musicians who play music for money and not for the art form that you are so quick to defend.
I pirate all my movies, but have invested nearly a grand into iTunes. I’m also an avid fiddle player who doesn’t play for money. People rarely get to do what they love for a living, so musicians are already blessed in their career choice.
Thanks for reading Kirk. I hate when people act like money grows on trees and if someone has money they didn’t earn it. This attitude is rampant in NS. People who generate revenue through selling their product don’t “get paid” they make money, therefore the money they make is earned. They are not overpaid. Athletes get guaranteed contracts and yes, as a sports fan I can say that some of them are overpaid, but again, they wouldn’t get that money if people weren’t buying tickets and giving networks ratings to see them play. And like I said, they’ve invested their whole life for free, many of them play in college for free even though the university sports programs in the states rake in billions. They deserve to get paid. They are paid according to how much money they are expected to make for their bosses. You people should try and sell 100 records or train to compete at a sport at an amateur level and then report back to me how easy it was.
Oh…fucking…please!!! What a bunch of tripe!!! People have been “taping”, now called “downloading”, songs since the cassette tape. Fuck sakes, you used to be able to buy cassette players that had 2 decks, solely for the purpose of “copyright infringement”.
As far as I’m concerned, the bottom has fallen out of the “record industry” years ago and, free downloads are just advertising for live shows. Everyone entering the industry, knows this and expects to actually have to work for their money now, instead of sitting back and letting record companies rape their fans for everything they’re worth.
Any dipshit with a PC can produce their own shit, and the entire internet to advertise their product, for FREE. Ever heard the term, “internet sensation”? Those people have “record labels” tripping all over themselves to buy what they’re giving away for free. Record labels are becoming obsolete, and they know it. This is just a last ditch effort to maintain the monopoly they have had for decades. They did this to themselves and their talent by overcharging for their product. Well…guess what? The gravy train with biscuit wheels has come off the track, leaving the greedy fucking pigs scrambling.
Looks good on all of them, too bad the artists signed their lives away for peanuts. Who’s laughing now, you record label bitches?????
That wasn’t the point I was trying to make at all, Tyrant. It’s not about who has it tougher. It’s about explaining how these artists get their money. They are not paid unless theire art sells, so explain to me exactly how they are overpaid. The money that people willingly spend on their art has to end up somewhere, if not in their pockets, then where, in your opinion, should it end up? Do you think a song is not worth 99 cents? Does 10-14 bucks for an album seem unreasonable to you? Back up your statement. How exactly are they overpaid? And don’t give me some roundabout answer about how society places more value on x vs. y. In the real world, why should someone not be adequately paid for something that they created that people are willing to buy? How, under the current structure, are they, in your opinion, overpaid? I’d like you to please answer that question.
“You’re also greatly exaggerating the risks of entering the music industry. It might have a higher than average financial risk, but relatively low personal risk (such as personal health affected by a profession). “
K… look up “musicians who died before 30” And also, financial risk = personal risk. Musicians don’t get workers comp or anything like that either.
I was not trying to argue that musicians have it any tougher or deserve their money more than someone in any other profession, but since YOU seem to want to have that argument, here we go:
I have 4 close friends who are apprentice electricians. One of them works at the ship yards. He will readily tell you that it’s “easy money”. The government (fed or prov, I’m not sure) pays 10 of the 25 or so dollars that he is paid for one hour’s work. He tells me a lot of the work is shoddy, and that many days he gets paid to stand around for 75-90% of his 12 hour shift. He just turned 26 years old a couple weeks ago and he will buying a house soon, and will likely have it paid off before is 50, and be able to retire in his 40s or early 50s.
My other electrician friend is going to Alberta, he will be getting paid over 40 dollars per hour, as well as a free return flight home every 4-6 weeks, meals, living accomodations, a full gym, basketball court, you name it. He will also be a retired, mortgage-free homeowner before he’s 55.
Both these guys got their certs in 9 months for about 10 000 dollars, much of which is tax deductible. They also will have their additional training paid for by our tax dollars (A-Block, B-Block etc) via their tax return. My friend that works at the shipyards went to school and roomed with another one of my friends who now works for Bell Aliant as a FibreOp tech. They told me that when they were in school in Port Hawkesbury they partied every weekend and barely studied and still were able to pass comfortably.
Now let’s look at my 42 year old room mate. He was in a band that saw more success than probably 80-90% of bands that try to make it, from 1999-2011. He is 42 and lives paycheque to paycheque. He wears the same clothes pretty much all the time, never goes out for a beer or a meal and works constantly.
What my electrician friends invested compared to what he has invested, especially when you compare the returns, is incomparable. So it’s easy to say that musicians are overpaid, but before you ever heard of them they invested a lot of money and time. And, even if they did get lucky, make one crappy song, upload it to youtube and strike gold, they are still only paid a percentage of the total amount of money their art generated. Like I said, it takes years of spending your own money and working (yes it is work) for free before you make your first dollar. People don’t invest half their life in the hopes of becoming a plumber, it’s a really cheap and fast way to start making money.
“No matter how difficult you think the profession is, a whole year in a musicians shoes doesn’t come close to a single month in a nurses position.”
THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING. Let me get this straight, because some musicians make more than, say a nurse, and might not work as hard for it, it’s ok to steal their work? Because they’re overpaid? THEY DON’T GET PAID IF YOU STEAL IT.
“Disregarding the parts of your post that made no sense, all you did was hype up the importance of egotistic musicians who play music for a living in the same way a whore sells her body for money.”
I’m not surprised it made no sense to you since you completely missed the point of what I was trying to say and would rather make this about “people who do my job are more important than people who do your job”
I said NOTHING of importance. Nothing. Yeah, a guitar player can’t do much for you if you’ve broken your leg, or need your toilet fixed. You got me there. Doesn’t mean that people should get to enjoy their services for free.
“The problem is billion dollar record companies, sports teams, and musicians who play music for money and not for the art form that you are so quick to defend.”
Well, you know, things cost money to make and have to turn a profit in order to be worth doing. It’s called business. You might not consider piracy a serious problem, but I bet 10 years down the road when people can buy a 3D printer and print off car parts, pipes, and pretty much anything else, in other words, when YOUR industry becomes effected by piracy, maybe you’ll understand where I’m coming from.
“Of course these people aren’t attention starved children that require stage time just to validate their own existence.”
No need for the passive aggressive, generalizing insults. You want to talk about children? Childish people tend to insult those that they disagree with, especially when they sense they’re losing an argument.
Have a good one.
Oh shit son. The ol’ Tommy is back!
But that’s just it Steve, it’s not Universal and the like who is suffering, it’s the art and the artists. Yeah the record labels are dinosaurs and will soon be irrelevant, and yes, any idiot can record and post a song on youtube, but we have to ask ourselves, is that the road we want to go down? Do we want to reward people who just want 15 minutes of fame or do we want to invest a couple bucks in art that we think is worth supporting?
People who never buy CDs or pay for concert tickets and just downloand and youtube everything have no right to complain that the quality of music is at an all time low. You get what you pay for.
“instead of sitting back and letting record companies rape their fans for everything they’re worth. “
$12.99 for a CD or $9.99 on iTunes is hardly rape, Steve, come on now. Shit costs money to make, press and distribute.
The Captain is obviously a pirate.
It’s more the fans raping the artists. Copyright law already allows you to copy for personal use. But you aren’t happy with buying a song and copying it, you just want it for free. Then take the commercial aspect where honest DJs and karaoke hosts buy their music legitimately trying to compete with those who steal the music or get loaded hard drives tens of thousands of titles for a few bucks. So yes it hurts not only the artists but for those who try to make a legitimate business, honestly, using these products. So excuse me and others, who think that people who do not pay for things are pieces of shit.
One more thing, these days artists are giving way a ton of free music, the least you could do if you call yourself a fan is spend 12 bucks every year-year and a half when their retail album comes out for sale.
The Captain has only ever bought the Metallica albums. They’re the ones who got all pissy when people started downloading their music. Once upon a time they were basically The Captains Gods, so it seemed like a solid purchase then. No one wants to anger the Gods, not even Captain…
Wah, Wah, Wah… So I take it the only group of people that the internet shouldn’t affect is artists? Since the advent of the internet, businesses worldwide have had to reinvent their business models to accommodate for a new way of doing business, but not the entertainment industry. They are entitled to sit back and do nothing innovative and sit around and whine about all the money people are stealing from them.
As far as the excuse for shitty modern music because of there not being any profit in it? That’s bullshit!!! There are tons of local bands that are doing fine. Classified, Matt Mayse, The Trews, Slowcoaster, etc… They might not be mega-millionaires but they seem to be happy with their success.
This isn’t Hollywood, and in case you haven’t noticed, there aren’t big name talent scouts hanging around at local shows, and Canada is not a major hub for the “mainstream” entertainment industry. You can’t equate one failing story from Halifax with the failure of the entertainment industry as a whole, because of illegal downloading. I see it no differently than buying a book and passing it around for my friends to read. It IS “intellectual property” and in some way “stealing” from a publisher and the writer. Should I be charged with theft for doing that? FUCK NO!!!!!
Plain and simple, the industry is changing. Those who don’t change with it will be left behind!!
Its unfortunate that your buddy hasn’t gotten the success he probably deserved. I have seen Swift many times, from Evolve to the Marquis and have always supported good local talent.
9- If you don’t agree with the way a company is run, or they haven’t changed to your liking, then it is alright to steal from them.
Perverted sense of entitlement……..
So, who all downloaded “Gia” last night for a tearful farewell wank?
What part of it not being illegal to download copyright files, as long as you don’t do it for profit, don’t you understand, Kirk? I don’t have to justify what I do to you or anyone else, cause, according to Canadian law, I’m completely within my rights to do it. You can call it a “sense of entitlement” if you want. You don’t seem to have a problem with taking taxpayer money while you sit on the bitchboard all day while you’re suppose to be working, do you? Sense of entitlement, whaaaa??? Now, get back to work, Tugboat!!!
The Captain can count among his clan a prominent local musician. His many bands and himself record their own albums and pay for their own studio time. Music is his only profession and he’s doing well for himself. I believe it’s because they are the only people with hands in their pockets.
I can vouch for Stephens post. Being a draftsman, it’s become extremely difficult to compete with the internet. Why hire The Captain when you can get some guy in India to do all the work over the internet from what is basically the sweatshop version of a drafting lab? It might not be intellectual property or a material item they’re stealing, but they are pirating our work and livelihood. Do we try to stop them? NO! A lesson in futility that is…
Maybe it’s time to embrace the internet and piracy, like I had to do with international competition, and find new and innovative ways of succeeding. Do away with the record companies who, you’ve said yourself Tommy, are raking in the majority of music based profits. The current music industry model seems like another societal dinosaur that needs to go extinct. That’s really what’s limiting your expression as a musician, Tommy.
Because at the end of the day The Captain loves his tunes, and would be mightily upset if that was taken away….. possibly upset enough to go to war.
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Stephen, that’s up there with your “it’s illegal to back out of you driveway” comment. I’m not trying to be rude, but you seriously misunderstand that law and need to seek a more credible source then Wikipedia.
Ooooooo… Good one, dipshit. Why don’t you prove me wrong again, sport? I will expect you to be Googling like a mad fool. First, I don’t give a sit if it’s legal or not. Second, I won’t be losing an ounce of sleep over it either way. That clear enough for ya? When the helicopters and the S.W.A.T. team congregate outside my house, I’ll start to worry.
No go do some work, ya typical government slob!!!
Stephen when you have to rely on childish insults to make your point, the argument is mute. I don’t need to rely on my friend Google for this as I am the OB and well informed. Me working for the federal government has nothing to do with this, nor am I or any if my coworkers slobs. That’s you making stereotypes again. It is against the law to download any copyright material, you can have all the excuses in the world as has been demonstrated already, but no argument will hold up in a court of law. Keep crying to justify it, but it is still illegal.
Helicopters and S.W.A.T. eh? What city are you living in?
99% of the people the music is being “stolen” from make less than many of us. Keep in mind that it’s not just the face of the music you’re stealing from but also everyone that worked on the music from its creation (the actual recording process) to the distribution and shipping.
Though I’m sure if, as a society, we could steal computers as easily, we wouldn’t hesitate.
I’m sure most us have read this:
http://thetrichordist.com/2012/06/18/lette…
The last quote I think may apply here:
“This is a bit of hyperbole to emphasize the point. But it’s as if:
Networks: Giant mega corporations. Cool! have some money!
Hardware: Giant mega corporations.Cool! have some money!
Artists: 99.9 % lower middle class.Screw you, you greedy bastards!
Congratulations, [this] generation is the first generation in history to rebel by unsticking it to the man and instead sticking it to the weirdo freak musicians!”
If SHITTY-D was a cyclist, would that change your opinion, Kirk?
Just wonderin’.
I’m just gonna lay this out here….
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130514/…
Ya think they’re credible now???
It should be pointed out that an overwhelming proportion of music produced these days is utter clap trap, and not worth anything. That’s gotta skew the statistics a little bit.
Come on zZz, one bad apple doesn’t spoil the basket. By your intended reasoning then if one cop screws up, none can be trusted. One judge drops the ball, then they’re all evil. One doctor shows up late, then they’re all lazy.
PK, no it really wouldn’t change my opinion of him. It’s just when you misquote a law and present it as fact, it irritates me. This debate is also not just about music, and as I said awhile ago it’s not really about an individual watching a movie. That’s not worth the courts time.
Lets all look at cyber crime and how it funds the criminal organizations, that’s the point here. I did get side tracked by the silly excuses people have put forward, but now I’m tired of this argument. I can change the world one bitch at a time, but I can’t do it alone.
SHITD so what section of the Copyright Act says it’s legal to download music or IP for free? It says you may make copies of what you own for personal use only. Those are two different things.
PK, I want to change my answer. I must unite with all cyclists to stop car rage and illegal piracy. Mr Harper will be my number one cyclist to stop piracy in Somalia.
First, Seeing as it was thrown out of court in 2004 in the “BMG Canada-vs-John Doe” case, I would say that it is as much “legal” as it is “illegal”. Now I guess it will be up to the courts to decide whether this new case has any legal merit.
Secondly, if you want to bring in the term “entitlement” into the fray, do so at your own risk. You seem to feel entitled to sit around and surf the internet all day when you are being paid by every tax paying citizen in this country. Those who live in glass houses, should not throw stones.
Thirdly, the word is “moot”, and the definition does not suit how you used the word, even if it was spelled correctly. Cause we all know it was a spelling error, right Tugboat?
Fourth, I will bet the farm on the fact that you have “illegally” downloaded, or listened to/watched pirated materials, making you a hypocrite.
Fifthly, bringing up the fact that I was wrong about something completely unrelated, makes you look like an ass!!!!
Now, go do some real work, Tugboat!!!
I’ll be happy long as i can download my Gary Beals albums for free.
“You can’t equate one failing story from Halifax with the failure of the entertainment industry as a whole, because of illegal downloading.”
That wasn’t what I was trying to say, Steve. I was just challenging the statement that musicians are overpaid. He is not where he is because of illegal downloading. He’s just an example of just how hard it is to make a decent living in the music business, and how much one must invest before they start making ANY money.
Classified and Matt Mayes are good examples, and they wouldn’t be where they were if it weren’t for people who reached into their pockets and supported them by buying a CD, or going to a show.
I just think that “I justify stealing someone’s property because I think they’re overpaid” is BS because if you know anything about how artists make their money you know that they don’t just “get paid” like people with jobs who make an hourly wage or a yearly salary. They get paid a small percentage of the revenue their art creates. If you ask me they’re underpaid and have been forever. A lot of them die broke and f’d up, even ones who have made iconic records that have sold millions.
Like I said, Captain, you have no right to compain about the quality of someting you admittedly don’t support.
I know what you’re going to say “But if the quality sucks why should I buy it?”
Look, I’m a hip hop fan. I’m sure I don’t have to tell you there is a lot of craptacular corporate puppet show hip hop out there. I still manage to find stuff I like and deem worth supporting. If you want music to get better you have to support good music.
True story, Tommy. You’ve got a lot of good points, but at the end of the day people will still illegally download whenever the option is available to them. Someone having more money than you is not a justification for theft, true, but unfortunately some don’t see it as theft.
Hey Harper, I work four days on, four off. That provides me with a lot of time to take night classes and play online, please shut up now.
The case you make reference to was thrown out of court due to a lack of legislation, however that is changed. Read the original Bitch, DUMBASS!!!
What a shock, you misquoted another law, hahahahaha.
Oh, and I read mute in a book one time. Didn’t understand it then, or now. Sometimes big words make me feel smart. Also, why tugboat? I got promoted and now have a third floor corner office, two walls are floor to sealing windows.
And as I’ve said a few times, this isn’t about an individual listening to a song or watching a movie. My fuck man, where do you get a gram of your weed. From a dealer that has MORE than one gram. See what I mean? Probably not as you’ve missed that point several times now.
I used a couple more big words without my fingers conveniently slipping on my keyboard. Right, convenient slip of the fingers Harper. Hahahahaha.
Oh, my mistake. I guess the fact that you used words like “individuals” and “personal IP’s” clearly suggests you were talking about anything else but “individuals” and “personal IP’S”. Point taken.
Good thing you are a cyclist, or backpeddling may have been a challenge for you.
Too bad all those writing classes didn’t teach you the difference between there, their, and they’re . Not to mention to, too, and two, and your and you’re. Must be a “keyboard slip” every time you FUCK it up, right Tugboat?
I guess since you resorted to “childish namecalling”, your point is now “mute”. LOL, DUMBASS!!!!!
Mr Harper, you are completely correct. I apologize, you have won.
Oh shit son, forgot to spread the word. Gave up on writing (10 classes were over). So now I’m taking a culinary class. If anyone has questions about forks and salads, ill have the answer tomorrow night.
All law and English questions can now be directed to Mr Harper. He’s the SME.
SHITD, did you even read what that decision was about? It was not about downloads but rather how Plaintiffs can get information, ie evidence for their case from a third party.
In related news, Hell seems to have frozen over as the MPAA has actually done something semi-useful for once: http://blogs.indiewire.com/thompsononholly…
There are too many comments to read before I masturbate, so I’ll just say that I see it as “try before I buy”. I buy what I like, I delete what I think sucks. I have kept things that are “nearly” (or actually) impossible to acquire physically, either due to availability or price, but that’s gotta be like, less than 10%. So I’m a 10% thief… I can live with that. I think everyone’s at least a 10%-er in some regards at some point for something.
Kirk, you do realize that in my link, the ‘one company in question’ (Canipre) is the very one who is involved in this lawsuit?
An antipiracy company using pirated images to get the message out is fantastically ironic.
Fuck off. Anything that means Justin Beiber has less money to spend on weed cough syrup a d drop crotch leather pants is fucking fine by me. You’re really concerned about multi millionaire “artists” loosing a few hundred g’s? What did they ever do for you? The music industry is juuuuusssst fine.
Don’t they make all their money in t-shirt sales, anyway?
I agree with the second poster, whose nick I’ve given up trying to pronounce. Fuck you, OP.