Please stop posting religious quotes to define what YOU think is happening with all the earthquakes and tsunamis that the world has experienced of late. Instead inform yourself on Earth’s geological history which predates humans and their religions by BILLIONS of years and realize that our planet’s history has ALWAYS included volcanic eruptions, earthquakes, and tsunamis long before there were humans to witness or provide names for these natural occurrences of tectonic plates shifting, continental drifting, etc. Using religion to explain natural geological occurrences makes you sound as silly as that Islamic leader who professed earthquakes are caused by scantily clad women. —Common Sense
This article appears in Mar 17-23, 2011.


Just wait’ll the eco-druids try blaming earthquakes on global warming. Paging Dr. Suzuki….
Everybody knows that the earth shakes because god makes it shake.
Bad storms are caused when god’s angry at us…plate techtonics & divergent weather patterns have NOTHING to do with it !
And that’s why I have as much contempt for religion as I do for politics.
I heard a recent radio spot where some dude was claiming some friends of his, supposedly well educated and in the banking biz, are selling all their shit in preparation for Doomsday. Man, I’d love to see the look on their mugs when it doesn’t happen. Dumb fucks – if the world does end in December 2012 (read: rewriting the so-called Mayan predications to suit), I’ll have paid off my mortgage and will be a homeowner for approximately 13.2 minutes before we disappear in a swirling vortex. BRING IT ON, MOTHERFUCKERS!
We’ll be feeling the repercussions of this tragedy for some time to come, and I’m not talking about nuclear contamination. Endless benefit concerts by z-list celebrities with cutesy names like “Artists Against Earthquakes” and yet another Oscar worthy powerpoint presentation from Al Bore. As my uncle Nikita said “The living will envy the dead”.
They have already tried to blame it on the moon, crazies.
http://www.space.com/11105-supermoon-didnt…
http://www.citycigarcompany.com/site_asset…
I hope the moon has called its lawyer.
Argh the supermoon is tomorrow, expect flooding.
Brings about the question: What would Jesus do?
Sunshine for Sunday.
The concerts are not that bad Ivan, live 8 we got to see pink floyd get back together for a show, that was great. I know what you mean though I bet Geldof is going to manipulate his way back to the public eye through this again. Hey if the Japanese people get all the money from it i’m all for it, if its donation and its music outdoors somewhere nice :D.
TTFN I have no idea why people worry about that 2012 thing so much, I could go out tomorrow or even sat down right now and die, If i happens it happens I for one don’t lose sleep on it. Idiots.
I hope we all die.
i don’t think about stuff like that but i’ll take one for the team^^you’re far to young to be thinking thataway donk dearest
Aw Jeez. I hate it when my narrow-minded judgements and sweeping generalizations are soundly defeated by fact and actual experience >: (
do you have a split-personality seb?
They say 2012 is suppose to be end of the world AS WE KNOW IT. Not that the world is going come to an end. I don’t read too much in to it but the world goes through natural changes every 30,000 years. And 30,000 years ago it was the ice age I believe. Evolving perhaps….i dunno
3rd fatima secret? isn’t it supposed to start in russia anywho.. i think bad things are going to happen .but who knows when or where..prob. going to be a social upheaval thing ..
Bad things have been happening since the dawn of time. Ask any dinosaur.
===Ask any dinosaur.===
Rawr?
http://www.ascii-art.de/ascii/def/dinosaur…
Ahahaha, Boobquake was awesome!
Boobquake sounds like a(n awesome) Quake mod. 😛
Enough Said,
The world changes as we know it every second of every day… But besides that, that’s pretty lax criteria for an apocalypse don’t you think? It’s a good way to cover your ass in case the world doesn’t actually end “Oh, we just meant the world was going to end AS WE KNOW IT, and it did right? The Backstreet Boys all died gruesome deaths in that horrible wombat attack, the world will never be the same again.”
When nothing happens in 2012, the people who believe this crap are going to point towards some big catastrophic thing (because catastrophic things happen every year) that happened somewhere in the world sort of close to the doomsday date (probably within six months or so, maybe closer if they’re lucky), and claim that they were right. That’s what has happened with every other failed doomsday prediction since humans started making predictions, there are millions of failed doomsday predictions.
That’s how “psychics” have been doing it for years. Making vague predictions so that something (perhaps several) is bound to happen that can be fit into the loosely defined perimeters of their prediction. And “The wold is about to end AS WE KNOW IT” is a perfect example of such a ‘guaranteed hit’ prediction. Then they advertise all their hits and forget about the misses, and all anyone ever remembers is the times they got lucky.
Do you remember all the times the world was supposed to end but nothing happened? No, of course you don’t, because there’s at least ten or so doomsday predictions per year, one or two of which are widely publicized.
And the Mayan calender ending is not actual insight, it’s nothing more than this years fad among the doomsday fear mongers. The people citing it are laymen who don’t know what they’re talking about anyway. Every year has a fad, some years it’s an astronomy fad (eg a comet, solar eclipse, planets aligning), some years it’s ancient civilization/artifact themed (Egypt, Stonehenge, Aztec), and every year there’s a shitload of religious themed predictions that no one ever seems to pay attention to. The Jehovah’s Witnesses alone have predicted rapture in 1874, 1878, 1881, 1910, 1914, 1918, 1925, 1975, and 1984… to name a few. And then in 1995 they claimed that Armageddon had been “delayed”… no shit.
But even after 2012 we already have predictions for 2016, 2034, and 2037. The number of predictions for after 2012 will rise as the years go on.
The world is going to end yeah, we’ve known that for ages. If we don’t get annihilated by a wayward comet, a quasar, diminishing resources, global war, or a zombie uprising (fingers crossed), then the planet is most certainly going to be swallowed by our dying sun… eventually. If we are lucky enough to exist for that long, then the only way we can hope to survive as a species is through interstellar travel. Sounds SciFi but it’s true.
That’s right bitches, as usual, science is our only hope.
The point is, when the world DOES end, someone will claim to have predicted it (assuming they’re still alive lol) not because they actually knew or had any special insight, but because people claim to predict it all the time. Someone is bound to guess right eventually.
The world will end when everyone on earth collectively looks over their shoulders and mutters, ‘Awwww, shit….’
Yeah, those wacky Jehovahs – I knew they were barking up the wrong tree when their Watchtower arsewipe featured Jesus with short hair.
Of course, we know what Jesus thought of those idiots:
http://media.photobucket.com/image/jehovah…
http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrl2… FAILED
Sweet Jebus, I was reading Anglo’s suggested article and the stuff about the fucking Rapture just made me blow tuna fish out through my nose – funniest thing I’ve read in a long time:
All previously saved Christians, totaling perhaps 5 to 10% of the world’s population, will suddenly have their bodies converted into a different form that they will wear for all eternity in Heaven. They will rise vertically into the air. Many believe that they will pass right through ceilings, roofs of cars, etc. to meet Jesus Christ in the sky. The vast majority of humans will be left behind. There will be extensive devastation on planes, trains and automobiles as their pilots, engineers and drivers suddenly disappear and the vehicles crash. The bodies of Christian believers who have died during the previous two millennia will be reconstituted into their original bodies which will then also be converted to spirit bodies. They will rise out of their graves and ascend to meet Jesus. Apparently the spirit bodies do not require oxygen to sustain themselves, because there is little air above 30,000 feet.
These fuckers have cornered the market on crazy.
I don’t know what I believe…but I’d like the world to stay as is for a little longer. 🙂
Geee snopp all that for me…..thanks
I am not hear to argue with you. Just saying. I am not really into this whole theory BUT I do listen to what is being presented and all I am saying is what I have picked up on the topic no need to to on like a banchee.
Anything can happen
I don’t know what is going to happen just like you don’t we will just have to wait and see. But I am not ignorant to say 100% that it’s not going to happen or that it will.
I agree REAL CHICK I am quite content with the living.lol
Snoop- I really like you & your super long post and agree with everything you said.
Why is it that we can thank god for all the miraculous rescues of babies under tonnes of rubble but nobody would dare blame god for the earthquake and tsunami in the first place FFS?
Lolz that makes two people self centered enough to assume one of my infamously long comments was all for them… in two days! It’s a fucking record.
I’m not here to argue with you or anyone else either, Enough Said. I’m here to say what I think, and if I happen to pick one of your ignorant poorly constructed sentences to illustrate a point I want to make, so be it.
In the meantime I’ll keep on writing my lengthy well thought out comments or as you like to put it, “to to on like a banchee”
Yeah…
Raptures gonna be one hell of a party TTFN
I’ll bring the nachos and hotdogs.
i’ve never had a smore^^
lolz? yeah when the first line says Enough Said. Then I tend to believe your addressing me. How silly of me. Maybe it isn’t us self centered people perhaps it is you and your overly wordy stories that you get caught up in. I wasn’t even disagreeing with you.
In the mean time that’s right you keep on writing your lenthy one sided comments. Seeing where as the t and g are placed close together I think it is safe to assume it was a mistype.
The is a bitch site not an essay writing contest you want to grade and judge peoples writing ability go be a teacher.
Flip
I’m going to party on “doomsday” to celebrate the world not ending for the millionth time.
And thanks, longwalker.
🙂
Guess I’m going to be left behind as a warrior of armageddon =D
Keep it up kids and I’m telling your father!!!!
data:image/jpg;base64,/9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQAA…
if it involves zombies sir hugo i’m good to go^^http://www.iphonesavior.com/images/2008/05…
And a smack on the back of the head for laughing at mama bears fuck up!!
http://www.momlogic.com/images/dont_make_m…
i’m only disappointed in you when your links don’t work^^^heehaw
http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2009/…
I was addressing you for the first few paragraphs before I moved on to talk about a whole bunch of other things you didn’t even mention. Not my problem if you need a clear indication like *no longer pertaining to what Enough Said said* halfway through. But for the record, I write long comments all the time, you are not special.
And yeah, I was disagreeing with you, when someone disagrees with you it doesn’t mean they raving in hatred of you, or even insulting you. I didn’t say anything slightly offensive to you in the post in question so it puzzles me why you are so angry and defensive. If this is how you act every time someone has an opinion that is different from yours then you’re in for some internet fights much longer than this little spat.
fight fight fight fight!
that was funny captain…calm down noob^^
I first got called a noob 7 years ago by a guy who was a “professional gamer”
teehee…that’s the first time i’ve used that term. can you play euchre?
Hey Pain, is that Bob or Sue? Rawk!
we think it might be junior…third generation this spring. the boy’s squeeze took the picture
What’s a noob? (Knob + Boob?)
i thought it meant a new member. he obviously wants to participate in the madness^^
oh yeah, just wait til you meet my daddy, he’ll have a hell of a time with. it’ll be,” it’s christmas time in hell”.
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/epis….
Just watched it (NatGeo provides fast, free download) and it is excellent. Makes you realize how lucky we’ve been so far. Please understand I’m not diminishing what the people of Japan are enduring atm.
The doomsday folks referencing the Mayan 2012 thingy missed one important fact – the Mayans were sun worshippers and had, over the course of their civilization, charted/predicted solar cycles.
Our sun is coming out of a long dormant period with little solar activity. According to current sun-studying scientists (NASA-like groups around the world) 2012 and 2013 are going to see major solar activity as the sun wakes up again.
nice to see you three and your words of wisdom^^
Thanks paingirl, you’re sweet. Life’s been crazy, crazy busy and I rarely have chance to lurk let alone comment. When I can read it’s great to see everyone’s keeping it interesting while I’m away. Shenanigans ftw!
🙂
i always enjoy your posts rare tho they are
Nicely put Three,
The next few years we’ll be seeing a lot more sun activity, and conveniently NASA’s SDO will be able to record some amazing images of it.
You might enjoy this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gsfc/54831935…
Keep in mind that this is a small solar flare by our sun’s standards, yet the earth is about the size of the fullscreen icon.
A REPLY TO SNOOP
“That’s right bitches, as usual, science is our only hope.” (Snoop, March 18, 2:29PM)
First of all, congratulations on your extended and thoughtful defence of science against the Doomsday Fearmongers. As you say, making an empirical claim – in this case the end of the world – requires empirical evidence which the Fearmongers lack. In addition, it was a pleasure reading a post which didn’t consist only of one line and a cartoon, although there is room for both sorts. Finally, by way of a preamble, this reply is not intended as a confrontational or adversarial posting but rather as a convivial attempt at conversation.
However, your quotation raises the question as to whether you are a “hard reductionist” who embraces “scientism.” A hard reductionist rejects all knowledge claims that cannot be verified (or falsified) by observation and experiment while scientism – seen by some as a corruption of science – is the general theory of knowledge which supports the hard reductionist position. But there are difficulties with both which, in my view, drain human life of any meaning by erasing that which we hold most valuable.
Take art. Is an oil painting reducible to a study of its brushstrokes and colour pigments? Is a Bach concerto reducible to an analysis of the distribution and pressure of the strings of the bow and fingers on the frets of the violin? It seems to me that the approach misses the whole point of art. Similarly with interplanetary travel. If successful, does the whole process begin again or is there a way out of the “iron cage” of scientism?
The process of scientific explanation itself, in the same way, is not reducible to simple empirical analysis. Verification and falsification are not simply impersonal straightforward formal procedures. Both require sophisticated human judgement involving an intuitive grasp of the factors in play, particularly in the case of science involving “paradigm shifts” such as the most recent from Newtonian to Einsteinian physics (Cf. Thomas Kuhn’s “The Structure of Scientific Revolutions”). Likewise, scientific discovery itself is not a routine affair but rather the intimation of a reality still hidden from explicit view but which the scientist “feels” is there. In other words, “scientism” seems to be refuted by the actual practice of science.
Finally, can Snoop’s own explanation of his reflections on science be rendered in reductionist or scientistic terms? In other words, is there not a personal dimension in Snoop’s reflections which lies behind and escapes reductionist analysis?
So, Snoop notwithstanding, I would have to argue (but of course not in a confrontational manner) that science is not our only hope. I would be interested in hearing Snoop’s reflections on these points.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
I wanted to comment on the “Science is our only hope” as well.
I assume Snoop meant this in regard to the continued existence of Earth’s human species. But, I wanted to ask, why this is so important? Why can’t we just accept that our time is up? Why must we have an escape route that insures that some of us will survive to carry on the species?–drifting in space; on another planet or amongst another people–what makes us so important that we have to seek ways to preserve our identity, our history, our culture, our genetics? Especially since, considering the age and size of the universe, there is a good chance that there exists a species exactly like ours. I mean, if it was just about information sharing, we could launch our whole history of information out into the universe now–we can even launch samples of everything that currently exists on this planet. So why can’t we just go down with our sinking ship when the time comes? (Especially since our credibility as a species who has something to offer the universe will not be worth much if our flight is due to a situation we created and failed to prevent.)
i have been watching life after people for the second time…i’ll remain with the ship ma’am
I think species are driven to survive, to find other means of survival, even in the face of great odds. This is the method by which we evolved from the primordial cesspool. Change or die. Humans would not have made it through the last 1.5m years of our evolution if we were not hardwired to survive.
Individuals may be nihilists, but the species is driven to survive; hence looking to science (or yet discovered methodologies) to secure our existence into the foreseeable future. And while I agree that we seem hell bent on eradicating ourselves – and the planet would merely “shrug” at our extinction – the spirit of science (theory, discovery, proof, replication) provides hope for survival. At least until the Earth breaks open and swallows us whole.
I find Carl Sagan’s perspective comforting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wupToqz1e2g.
“The Backstreet Boys all died gruesome deaths in that horrible wombat attack”
and nothing of value is lost.
very informative regarding the whole 2012 doomsday deal: http://www.astrosociety.org/education/podc…
Also kinda worrisome when Morrison quotes some emails he received… if people are really that dumb/gullible somehow I better understand how nigerian scam schemes actually make a profit.
“I’m a mother of 26. The last few weeks I have been losing sleep over this Doomsday issue. I frankly think it is sick, I don’t want to lose my children to some awful disaster”.
“I am a young woman from Denmark, mother of one child [with] another one coming. Yesterday I was considering killing myself, my baby in my stomach and my beloved 2 year old before Dec 12th [2012] for fear of having to witness the Earth’s destruction”.
“I am in the 8th grade and I am considering suicide right now. I am scared to tears. I don’t want to go to school anymore. I don’t want to spend time with my family. I believe that I deserve an explanation. A man on TV said that if government officials spoke up they would be killed”.
“I’m so scared, my only friend is my little dog. When should I put her to sleep so she won’t suffer when the earth is destroyed.”
Most of those who are ‘waiting for the rapture’ ,The worlds end, or Universes end. Belong to recognized religious groups. Some may think they’re a bit odd, but they are tax exempt religious groups just the same.
THose of us who’ve done long ,deep ,contemplative assessment of the other religions belief, have come to the realisation that if you take everything they speak of & meticulously check the ‘proof’ of their facts, there is no real choice left except to believe in the power, the wisdom, & the all comforting love of the Flying Spagetti Monster.
Yes, we Pastafarians, are the only ones you should trust, we don’t want you to dress funny so you can pray. We don’t want you to have to pay for fancy buildings to go for prayer. There is no need for you to get on your knees…The FSM doesn’t want your money… nope, just make plans to have a nice meal with family or loved ones soon. You’ll die eventually, some sooner than others. So make sure you get together with those you care for soon… you never know how much time you have left ~:)
THE END IS NEAR….
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the end
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2uzZH12zuEs/S2nR…
‘Pastafarians’ – brilliant – bahawhawhaw.
paingirl, that is a great piece of folk art…I really like it.
may the freshest of bread & finest extra virgin……………………………….olive oil be yours for your brief time on this plane of existence.
The FSM, may parmesian be upon him always, holds those who work with dough, closest to his centre ~;)
“I’m a mother of 26.” – Holy crap, that’s a lot of kids ;O
Must be Catholic.
A Cat’lik ….seems more likely, she’s a terrier !
(or some other breed )
I don’t feel comforted, Three, I feel…so very, very small…inconsequential….
and suddenly, I feel like I want to eat chocolate smothered, ice cream filled profiteroles while I parasail over the Grecian islands listening to Copland’s ‘Fanfare For The Common Man’.
THE SCIENTISTIC “TRUE BELIEVER”
“When someone stops believing in a God, it doesn’t mean that he will believe in nothing. It means that he will believe in anything.” (Oscar Wilde)
I think that there is a continuum of world-views (philosophies? belief systems?) extending, on one extreme from a fully religious conception of man’s place in the world involving a blind worship of some supernatural deity to, on the other extreme, a correspondingly blind worship of the salvationary powers of science, what I previously called “scientism.” While outside of Christian fundamentalism and extreme Islam there doesn’t appear to be any danger of a blind worship of a supernatural deity currently in the ascendant, there does, it seems to me, exist a considerable danger of scientism to the extent that for something to be even intelligible it must be couched in scientific terms, those confirmed by empirical observation and experiment. However, like the religious “true believer” (cf. Eric Hoffer, “The True Believer”) who has incorporated the religious “soul” as the center of his being, so now the the scientistic “true believer” has incorporated science as the center of his. The point is, however, that both are “true believers.” Both have identical mental frameworks.
However, unless science can be put in perspective it may well assume the totalitarian powers previously enjoyed by theocratic belief systems. Science, it must be remembered, is only a tool, a means of providing the optimum of conditions conducive for human flourishing. It is a means, not an end. In itself, it offers no “salvation.”
Further, science cannot explain and diagnose the success of an organism, only its failure, its pathology. Science is helpless in explaining human creativity. Man’s mind is not reducible to a collection of his “brain-states.” It is helpless, for example, in attempting to explain the achievement of Shakespeare’s “Hamlet.” This is so because it doesn’t deal with humanity at that level. For the scientistic man, of course, such a problem as “Hamlet” is little more than a joke. He wants to impoverish humanity to conform to the material categories of scientific explanation. Other categories do not exist. They are off the table.
Of course, there has been a scientistic culture in recent history. It was called “Nazism.”
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
“Nazism”
Which romanced the Occult, a type of religious belief system.
Science troll= failed.
My problem(well, *your* problem) with your Bitch On Science is that you suppose there only exists religion and God on one side, and Science on the polar opposite. It looks like you are stating the “facts” then attacking them. Called a “Strawman” argument.
Noone asserted it was either/or.
Just you.
Missed you at the Bitchers’ MiniSummit today.
Annie’s ears must have been burning this afternoon, and not just because he tried to look down the aural canal by lighting a Q-tip on fire.
i expect to see a review of the food. what a momentous day in bitchdom…living large
We met, broke bread and took a giant step back from the abyss of nuclear extinction. No, wait, that was Reagan and Gorbie at Reykjavik. We had some shits & giggles – make of that what you will. Screee
I laughed, but no poop yet.
‘Twas a good time.
THE “NEW DOOMSDAY FEARMONGERS”
Snoop, who hasn’t yet answered my “A Reply to Snoop,” rightly took the wild-eyed prophets of doom to task for lacking any evidence that Doomsday was at hand. However, pending confirmation to the contrary, it appears that he (and a couple of others on this thread) are simply taking over from where the prophets left off. According to the “New Doomsday Fearmongers” Doomsday will come but we just don’t know when. The important difference, however, is that science will be our salvation. Science, as Snoop laid it down, is “our only hope.” If Snoop simply means that science will enable interplanetary travel, then there’s no argument. But I think Snoop means more than this. It sounds like Snoop is a “true believer” in “scientism” in which Science is to be our salvation, and the sooner we adopt the scientific mind-set – the methodology of observation and experiment to the exclusion of everything else – the better. So, pending Snoop’s response, I thought it might be an idea to do a little house-cleaning.
:Kim (March 19, 5:23PM) appears to buy into the New Fearmonger’s scenario and asks why the continued existence of the human species on earth is so important anyway? But this presents no difficulties for the New Fearmongers. Fear of extinction is programmed into the species – a metaphysical assertion, not an empirical one, by the way – and so Kim’s ruminations are beside the point.
:Three (March 20, 9:28AM) is, like Snoop, a New Fearmonger and, like True Believers everywhere simply repeats the scientistic mantra to meet all objections: “the spirit of sience (theory, discovery, proof, replication) provided hope for survival.” That is all. Case closed. (Of course, the claim itself is, once again, metaphysical in that it has not been supported by observation and experiment. It is an article of faith.)
:More (9:34AM) gives examples of Oscar Wilde’s assertion that when the belief in God is gone, ordinary people will believe in anything. However, More’s response does not directly invoke science, only ridicule (the “Flying Spaghetti Monster”) which, of course, is part of the scientistic armament.
:Wheeliep (5:35PM) seriously misread my last post where she accuses me of constructing a false dichotomy – “religion and God on one side and Science on the polar opposite” – and then employing a “Strawman argument” to demolish Science. But, of course, I never said that. My point was simply that there existed a continuum of belief in which religion and God were found at one extreme and Scientism (not science as such) on the other. Most people are found somewhere along the continuum. Furthermore, the only “facts” I was stating concerned the content of scientism happen to be facts – so there was no Strawman as Wheeliep suggests. Finally, her claim that Nazism “romanced the occult” and so refutes my view that it was the embodiment of the scientistic world-view overlooks the fact that I was referring to established religions, not the transient Aryan cult of the “Hitler myth.” (P.S. I couldn’t make the dinner as I missed my flight. Joke!)
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
I think Snoop is simply taking a “don’t feed the troll” approach, MM. I, however, will accept your bait and give you this:
You are cherry picking and selectively using statements out of context to support your need to “prove” our ignorance.
My full statement was, “Individuals may be nihilists, but the species is driven to survive; hence looking to science (or yet discovered methodologies) to secure our existence into the foreseeable future. And while I agree that we seem hell bent on eradicating ourselves – and the planet would merely “shrug” at our extinction – the spirit of science (theory, discovery, proof, replication) provides hope for survival. At least until the Earth breaks open and swallows us whole.”
Two points to consider:
1. I wrote, “…hence looking to science (or yet discovered methodologies)…” Open-ended statement, not excluding other – including faith-based – means of saving ourselves and our planet.
2. I wrote, “…the spirit of science…” Not the be all, end all science. Not science is salvation.
MM, you still seem to have a contemptuous attitude towards the denizens of LTWWB. While not all hold PhDs or were recipients of Rhodes scholarships, some of us do possess these markers. We simply do not flaunt our learnings. And there are those of us who recognize people should be judged on the quality of their character, not by the number of letters following one’s name. And finally, there is the issue of context – the arena in which we are playing and the nature of the game meant to be played in said environment.
Let ‘er rip, I’m sure there is insight you can bring to my ignorance. Charmed as always, Three.
Good call wheelip. But besides that little straw-man, the concept of ‘scientism’ (as it’s used by this troll) itself is yet another HUGE straw-man. It’s a feeble criticism of what anti-science/religious people THINK scientists believe regardless of the fact that most people accused of ‘scientism’ (including myself) believe anything but. It’s utter horseshit.
Scientism: a belief that science is the only credible way of gaining knowledge and understanding about our world. I think that’s stupid. And I don’t think that anyone actually holds that position because it excludes a whole slew of things that science and scientists find much value in; mathematics, art, reasoning etc. This is a term based on simplistic black and white thinking made up by people who feel needlessly threatened by science.
Kim_NS, although your alternative, accepting our fate, is noble and kind of beautiful in a way; like Three said the most powerful instinct any living being possesses, the survival instinct, will always win out in the end.
However, I do think that when the time comes there will be many groups of people who will willingly stay behind either due to religious reasons or simply wanting to ‘go down with the ship’ as you put it.
And we aren’t important. Not at all. But it’s the drive to contemplate and understand the bigger forces out there, the things that are more important than us, the chaos and order of the universe, the mystery of life, that fuels my unwillingness to “accept our fate” a fate that doesn’t necessarily have to be our fate.
I believe that once faced by the vastness and emptiness of space, the preservation of our culture and history will be a great comfort. Although I hope that the nastier bits of our history are left to die with the earth, and that we set out not as blacks and whites or Jews and Muslims, but as humans.
But remember, it’s not just ourselves we would be saving, or at least I hope not. In addition I hope an attempt would be made to save as many species as we can. A real Sci-Fi Noah’s Ark.
Interesting fact, we have been broadcasting our history and culture into outer-space pretty much since the first television broadcast… that’s the premise Carl Sagan’s novel “Contact” was based on, later turned into a mediocre Jodie Foster movie. And we already have this thing called the internet that is capable of recording everything, ever, even insignificant internet threads. Who knows, maybe billions of years in the future some human who has evolved beyond anything we could fathom or recognize is reading this very thread in another star system laughing at our primitive intellects and short sighted musings on the future of the human race. Sup highly evolved human from the future, congrats on not going extinct!
But,
“Especially since, considering the age and size of the universe, there is a good chance that there exists a species exactly like ours.” This is debatable. Carbon based life might be the only type of life out there or it might not. If there’s other types of life out there (Trekkies will site silicone based life lol) you can bet they will be nothing like us. But even if there is other carbon based life forms, they could still be vastly different from us. Just look at how different species from branches of our own evolutionary tree are from us, and they evolved on the same planet as we did!
And our flight may or may not be because of a situation we created. Diminishing natural resources, yes. Our star dying, totally not our fault. But if we survive long enough to witness our star dying then we’ve already solved problems like diminishing natural resources that could have wiped us out already. And I believe that we can solve them if we set our minds to it.
Basically, I won’t be satisfied with anything short of a zombie/robot apocalypse or interstellar travel.
Once could argue that with the (seeming) prevalence of plastic surgery in today’s society, we already have silicon(e)-based lifeforms. 😛
Actually Three, I was taking the “Going out to party and having fun with my friends over the weekend and not checking LTWWB because there are no new bitches until Monday anyway” approach, but close enough.
MM seems desperate to prove his intellect yet exposes his ignorance by arguing a position based on a logical fallacy. Knowing I was reading a troll, I wearily read far enough into MM’s first bitch until he whipped out the “scientism” argument, an argument I’ve naively debated countless times before to no avail, one cannot debate a logical fallacy. That’s when I stopped reading and haven’t read any of his words since. In fact, those were the only words of his I’ve ever read (you’re right I try not to feed the trolls) and only because he specifically addressed me. But I’m glad that you, the better person by far, at least addressed some of his more specific points. Something that I refuse to do because I’ve heard it all before and it never goes anywhere. “Scientism” is a straw-man, and giving it even the slightest bit of credibility as anything other than one giant logical fallacy, is a waste of time. It’s not an intelligent or intriguing conversation, it’s just another troll shit-fest.
If you’re going to call me something call me a rationalist, a skeptic, a naturalist, a humanist, an atheist, at least I can get behind the meanings of those terms, at least those terms have a group of people behind them who believe in their content. Scientism is a made up term, a dressed up version of the “science is basically another religion” argument. It is essentially meaningless.
On a different note, Mad love to wheeliep and Three for the logical fallacy naming, Carl Sagan linking, awesomeness.
😀
Having met Wheelie this weekend I can state unconditionally that he is one cool guy. Remember the Seinfeld eopisode when George had a man-crush on Elaine’s new boyfriend Tony. When Wheeliep tells you to step off, Bra, you’d best be stepping off.
Screeee!
L’P’tit Homme-
If I had tits, I would never leave my apartment.
I am, unfortunately, a male.
🙂
Screeeeeee, bitches! Screeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee(gasp)eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee(cough)e(pop!)
Thanks for the props. Snoop. I’m a general skeptic, humanist etc. I’ve grown weary hearing how I must not have any reason to not murder or rob people, single Gawd didn’t send it to me in a pamphlet.
And thanks for the info on Scientism. I hadn’t heard that term, but I’ve seen people try to paint it as something(another religion) to discredit it.
MM makes intelligent noises often, but sometimes they are often that. Noises. Especially on this point.
And to the Colonel-
I knew you immediately when I met you. You are the Col.
Step off!
Stepping Off, My Liege *Snaps up crisp salute, holds for 10 beats and does a brisk about face while the Regimental Band plays The Minstrel Boy*
p.s. these pretzels are making me frisky.
Sometimes I’m impatient, snoop. The snail-pace of progress in such things as ethics as opposed to the acceleration of progress in such things as technology frustrates me. And, the imbalance worries me. Humankind at its best is so well-meaning, so hopeful, and the ideals they dream possible are so beautiful and inspiring. But, apparently, we cannot maintain the frame of mind that will allow us to realize our most excellent aspirations. Our basic instincts that serve us so well in survival ultimately sabotage our higher goals. We get caught up, distracted, side-lined and tangled in our pursuit of surviving. When we are not pursuing and accumulating, we are devouring–then we plan how to acquire more. Sometimes it seems we are like an immune-system gone awry–that we have become so efficient at survival that we sometimes can’t distinguish between beneficial and harmful cell growth. Sometimes it seems like the very thing that insured our survival will turn around and destroy us as it develops and feeds into cancers. And, when I feel this way, I think, until humankind can learn to recognize the difference, their cancer causing tendencies should not be allowed to become airborne.
Trying to express what’s in my head was difficult, so I’m sorry if this appears gibberish-like. = )
I agree Kim.
As a species, our social consciousness and morality have not kept up with our technological advancements, someday perhaps.
It’s a double whammy: Human technological development is conflict driven, war and killing stifle social development and desensitizes us to suffering. On the other hand, some of our greatest technological inventions are because of war; computers,rockets that can go to other planets, global digital & satalite communications, gps, jets, shitloads of medical advances. Even the military failures find their way into everyday life, like microwave ovens and crazy glue.
I have no idea what life would be like if there had never been any such thing as war, but it certainly wouldn’t resemble anything we know.
Yeah, Hugo, it might be better. But because of the condition of ‘humanity’ we will never know.
THREE’S DEFENSIVE CROUCH
“You are cherry picking and selectively using statements out of context to support your need to ‘prove’ our ignorance.” (Three, 1:14PM, March 21)
Wel, well, well, Montrealman has a lot on his plate this morning. Initially he thought it might be a good idea to have Three as an appetizer, Snoop as the main course, and perhaps Wheeliep as a light dessert (a little slice of melon?) but then re-considered. No, the first two at least posted extended replies to Montrealman’s “The New Doomsday Fearmongers” (March 21) so each deserves a separate and extended reply. Montrealman is just that kind of guy. So he’ll start with Three.
There are three possible ways Three might have replied to Montrealman’s tentative charge of “scientism,” the view that science constitutes the only valid form of knowledge. Three might have said that (a) this is not what he meant, that other forms of knowledge like art, history, literature, philosophy and so on constitute equally valid forms; (b) Three might have said that he indeed was a supporter of scientism and vigourously rallied his forces in defence, or (c) Three might have resorted to adopting a “defensive crouch,” to simply calling Montrealman names. Sadly, for the most part, Three chose (c).
Three seems to have ignored Montrealman’s clearly stated point: “If Snoop simply means that science will enable interplanetary travel, then there’s no argument.” (“The New Fearmongers”) Having ignored this crucial assertion, Three strikes out in his first sentence, claiming that Snoop hadn’t responded since he was probably “not feeding the Troll.” Oh, dear, there’s the Troll gambit again. Of course, it says nothinbg about Montrealman but, whatever it means, it does say a lot about Three and his planned line of attack. And he
doesn’t “disappoint.”
Three goes on to charge Montrealman with “cherry picking” his statements out of context to support his (Montrealman’s) “need” to prove his ignorance. But Three doesn’t appear to understand the concpt of “cherry picking.” There was no need to cite Three’s entire passage (which Three proceeded to do anyway) since anyone interested could scroll back for the relevant quotation. More importantly, there was no desire to distort Three’s views – Montrealman’s selection of Three’s “the spirit of science” adequately captured his central view. In other words, Montrealman had no “need” to prove Three’s ignorance but, by that time of course, Three had already adopted his adversarial defensive crouch.
Three presses his “ad hominem” attack on Montrealman further, charging his with a range of deplorable character faults. (These can be dealth with simply by adding “Swat!” after each of Montrealman’s responses.) So, Montrealman has a “contemptuous attitude towards the denizens of LTWWB” but, of course, Three provides no evidence for his assertion. (Swat!) Similarly, according to Three, unlike others on this site who possess Ph.D.s and even Rhodes scholarships, Montrealman deplorably “flaunts” his academic background but, as with his “contempt,” no evidence is given. (Swat!) Unlike Three who judges others on the basis of their character, Montrealman judges them on the number of letters following their name” but – I know this is getting boring – where’s the evidence? (Swat!) Finally and once again unlike Three, Montrealman, being socially inept, does not know “the nature of the game meant to be played” on LTWWB. Clearly, Three does know the nature of the game but, sadly once again, gives no evidence in support of his claim. (Swat!)
Three does offer an illusion of substance to his reply when he asserts his “two points” but sadly, both lack coherent content. The first is that, in addition to his “spirit of science,” Three claims that there are as yet “undiscovered methodologies to secure our existence in the forseeable future.” Now this is exciting: Of what, one wonders, would such “methodologies” consist? Sadly, our hopes are dashed. Three offers no such “methodologies” or, for that matter, any idea of just what he might have in mind by a “methodology.” Second, Three seems to be climbing down from his “spirit of science” when he states that science is “not the be all, and and science not as salvation.” Well, that’s hopeful but Three fails to provide any content. Montrealman calls out: “Three! Tell us, tell us, if science is not the be all and should not be seen as salvation, then what is? What WILL save us, Three?” But there is only silence. Three has left the room.
We’ll have a look at Snoop tomorrow.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
Fuck, yet another inane post by annie.
Smeghead – you do realize that you made the point for Three?
It is rather amusing that you seem to think that you’re qualified to voice an opinion on subjects that you’ve already admitted ignorance and an inability to comprehend.
Seriously, what sort of incompetent philosopher dosen’t know the difference between the quotations of Thomas Hobbes, and a fictional cartoon character.
SNOOP’S EMPTY ROMANTICISM
Note: Montrealman tried to get on LTWWB yesterday to deal with Snoop as promised on “Three’s Defensive Crouch” (March 22) but was unsuccessful after a number of tries. Montrealman thought he had been kicked off the site after spanking Three but, quite by chance, thought he would give it last try this morning and, Lo and behold, here I am! So, let’s now turn the spotlight on Snoop.
Montrealman’s reply to Snoop falls into three parts labelled: (a) Snoop’s Self-Contradiction, (b) Snoop’s Failure to Understand the Concept of Scientism, and (c) Snoop’s Empty Romanticism. However this morning, Montrealman will deal only with “Snoop’s Self-Contradiction” since, on the one hand, to post all three parts would run the reply too long and, on the other, to make sure that Montrealman really hasn’t been kicked off this site after all (i.e., the present post might be rejected). So, to the task at hand!
(a) Snoop’s Self-Contradiction
1. “That’s right bitches, as usual, science is our only hope.” (Snoop, March 18, 2:58PM)
2. “Scientism: a belief that science is the only credible way of gaining knowledge and understanding about our world. I think that’s stupid. And I don’t think anyone actually holds that position because it excludes a whole slew of things that scientists and scientists find much value in: mathematics, art, reasoning, etc. This is a term based on simplistic black and white thinking made up by people who feel needlessly threatened by science.” (Snoop, March 21, 1:42PM)
Now, did you notice the key word in #1? That’s right, the word is “only” which, of course,
means “exclusively,” “uniquely” and so forth. So, on March 18, Snoop felt that science was our only, exclusive, and unique hope because, one supposes, it was the only, the exclusive, and the unique way of gaining a proper knowledge and understanding about our world.
But wait! On March 21, Snoop changed his mind! Science wasn’t the only way after all – mathematics, art, reasoning etc. counted as well. But only (that word again) either (1) or (2) are correct.
In other words, Snoop can’t maintain, simultaneously, that both are true. To do so is called self-contradiction and his self-contradiction undermines any further claim that Snoop might care to make.
Well, let’s see if this is posted. If it is, we can move on to “Snoop’s Failure to Understand the Concept of Scientism.”
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
just to let you know monsieur, snoop is a female
lolz – I thought that smeghead was making sense, and a definate statement to boot. I was getting excited, then I realized that he was just quoting snoop again 🙁
Astute observation and comprehension, considerably beyond your abilities, aren’t they annie.
Really? That’s your rebuttal?
That was a HUGE disappointment.
I said that science is the ONLY hope for the prolonged existence of our species in the face of the inevitable armageddon of our expanding sun (once it turns into a red giant near the end of it’s life), which you yourself said was true haha.
That is not the same thing by any stretch of the imagination as saying that science is the ONLY way of gaining knowledge and understanding about our world… at all. Like, it’s not even close hahaha. In fact, much of the science that makes space travel possible is grounded in mathematics anyway…
I actually thought you were going to come up with something better than falsely equating two statements I made that have absolutely nothing to do with each other.
Mmm mmm mm I loves me some Annie. I wonder what he smells like in real life? Or what decade he dresses from.
What he smells like? – depends =D
What do you smell like? Weird question, yes, but I’m execting a real answer.
Licorice allsorts, Depends & playgrounds. He can probably still fit into the very first zoot suit he ever owned but I’ll bet he doesn’t rawk it like these two:
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Ivan, I was thinking more New Romantics, a la Adam Ant past his prime with a little bit of Kevin Costner in ‘Waterworld’, running through the masses trying to “fix broken thought processes”, fight crime and enlighten along the way. Now that you mention it though, zoot suits seem just as annoying and as such are a perfect fit.
Annie shine your shoes, we’re going dancing!
….i swear…P D not a day goes by that i don’t a least hum/sing a line or two of “goody two-shoes”..:)
SNOOP’S EMPTY ROMANTICIM
2. Snoop’s Failure to Understand the Concept of Scientism
“Snoop’s Self-Contradiction,” Montrealman’s first instalment of “Snoop’s Empty Romanticism,” took issue with her (apparently Snoop is female) claim that her assertion “That’s right bitches, as usual, science is our only hope” was contradicted by her subsequent assertion that scientists (and presumably Snoop herself) found much value in “a whole slew of other things” like “mathematics, art and reasoning.” The contradiction turned on the exclusionary function of “only” which rendered her second assertion little more than an irrelevant exercise in playing “catch-up.” So Montrealman is going to continue to hold Snoop’s feet to the fire. He is going to give Snoop a further choice, one between a commitment to “scientism” as her assertion suggests, on the one hand, and triviality on the other.
Now one did rather suppose that, in the event of the sun’s winking out and making life on earth impossible, that science would be instrumental in discovering the means for interplanetary travel. In that sense, science would indeed be “our only hope” but even Snoop must grasp that science in that sense is a common-place, that it is breath-takingly trivial. Of course, Snoop might want to embrace triviality but Montrealman thinks that she really means something more, that in effect that Snoop really wants to embrace scientism. The difficulty, however, is that Snoop doesn’t understand the concept. Let’s make it easy for Snoop and demonstrate (1) Snoop’s failure to understand the concept and (2) what the concept actually entails.
(1) For simplicity’s sake (and, of course, for Snoop’s sake as well) it will be shown that she has confounded the concept of scientism on two grounds, i.e., (a) that it is a religious concept and (b) that it is not a “logical concept.”
(a) “Scientism is a made up term, a dreamed up version of the ‘science is basically another religion’ argument. It is essentially meaningless.” (Snoop, 2:23PM) Initially Montrealman was puzzled by Snoop’s claim but then the penny dropped. Snoop was referring to the Oscar Wilde quotation at the head of a previous post to the effect that when people stop believing in God they will not believe in nothing but rather in anything. Mistakenly, Snoop saw Montrealman’s criticism as being religiously inspired but this is just false. Montrealman is a-religious in the sense that it plays no role in his life. (Similarly, Montrealman is not “afraid” of science as Snoop insinuates but quite the contrary, he deeply appreciates the advances, particularly in medicine, that science has brought about.) So then, what kind of concept IS scientism? Unsuprisingly – you’re talking to Montrealman after al – it is a philosophical concept. However, Snoop notwithstanding, it is a very meaningful concept as Montrealman will subsequently show. For one must remember that Snoop is without philosophy – not in the sense that she has none (nobody is without philosophy in that sense) – but rather in the sense that she has no knowledge of the subject and consequently views its concepts as “meaningless.”
(b) “MM seems desperate to prove his intellect yet exposes his ignorance by arguing a position based on a logical fallacy. One cannot debate a logical fallacy like scientism.” (Snoop, 2:23PM)
Snoop appears to have taken a page from Three’s handbook and launched an “ad hominem” attack on Montrealman but, of course, Montrealman snaps his fingers at such remarks. However, Snoop is just wrong. Montrealman is not particularly “desperate” nor is he, at least in respect to Snoop, particularly ignorant. However, and more importantly for the task at hand, Snoop is also wrong about what constitutes a “logical fallacy.” In her typical fashion Snoop merely asserts her claim that scientism is based on a logical fallacy but provides no grounds for saying so. As she is ignorant of philosophy generally, so Snoop is equally ignorant of one of its subsets, logic. Logic is simply a deductive formal system which can demonstrate anything depending on its initial premiss. In itself, logic is “content-free.” So,
Major Premiss: Scientism embraces the view that science is our only hope.
Minor Premiss: Snoop maintains that science is our only hope.
Conclusion: Therefore, Snoop embraces scientism.
Quite simply, my point is that the logic is impeccable, the conclusion flowing of necessity from the first two premises. Whether it is true, of course, is another matter but, as was previously stated, logic is a content-free formal deductive system. My point – are you following Snoop? – is that to speask of scientism as being based on a “logical fallacy” is incoherent since logic itself is never “false.”
Montrealman had initially intended to provide content to the philosophical concept of scientism but he feels, in demonstrating Snoop’s failure to grasp the concept, that he has said enough for one post. Tomorrow he will engage the concept directly, i.e., (2) “what the concept actually entails,” and amplify Snoop’s failure to grasp the concept.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
Too long, too boring, didn’t read.
Does annie have anything substantial to say yet, or is it still just empty retoric?
lol – I was kinda hoping that smeghead would enter the perpetual motion discussion, that would have been funny 😉
SNOOP’S EMPTY ROMANTICISM
Montrealman was unable, once again, to access the Bitch site yesterday but it doesn’t seem to matter since Snoop, apparently stunned by the majesty of Montrealman’s mind (a little Montrealman humour there) appears to have gone to ground. Anyway, in his first post, Montrealman successfully argued that Snoop’s position on scientism was self-contradictory and in his second that her understanding of the scientism on the grounds that it is a “religious concept” and that it contained a “logical fallacy” was flawed. It is now time for Montrealman to pick up the thread and submit his third post, one intended to to demonstrate, Snoop’s view that scientism is a “made-up term” and “essentially meaningless” nothwistanding, that it is neither. Indeed, scientism and its philosophical “cousins” dominate present-day social theory.
Scientism maintains that human beings can be reduced to, can be explained in terms of, the laws of nature that regulate the activity of natural objects. While this might be so in respect to the functioning of their bodies, it is certainly not the case in respect to their minds which constitute, as it happens, what it means to be human. The consequence is that the project for scientism – incoherently – necessarily turns on eliminating the human mind as a coherent concept. The project entails the elimination of that which cannot be reduced to the operation of natural laws, things like the will, ethics, values and, oh yes, self-reflective consciousness itself. But this omission of self-consciousness has serious consequences for scientism.
Montrealman will not touch every base in analysing the scientistic project since the powers of self-reflective consciousness undermines each one. From the behaviourist psychology of Watson and Skinner (who, of course, excused themselves from the operation of their own behaviouristic principles) to the “eliminative materialism” of the Churchlands (they were a married couple) who maintained that there existed no mental events or processes (whose work, of course, was the outcome of just such events and processes), the scientistic project foundered on the shoals of self-reflectove awareness. However, a brief discussion of the most famous scientistic philosopher in modern times should be sufficient to overturn Snoop’s claim that no one is stupid enough to embrace scientism.
A.J. Ayer’s “Language, Truth and Logic” (1959) exploded on the scene of British analytical philosophy. Ayer was a proponent of “verificationism,” the view that only those propositions whose content could be verified by the scientific processes of observation and experiment were meaningful. All other propositions were merely the expression of opinions and were, as a consequence, meaningless. The difficulty – it is obvious isn’t it? – is that Ayer’s own views were not themselves amenable to the rigours of observation and experiment and were therefore meaningless. Put differently, the principle of verification was not itself verifiable. End of Ayer.
The current significance of scientism, however, is not primarily in philosophy but rather in the form of underwriting a present mechanistic and reductionist social theory which is currently in the ascendant. For example, think of the the principles of “managerialism” (time-on-task, cost-benefir analysis, time & motion studies, and the like) where human economic activity is “harmonized” in the interests of global capital. The same scientistic principles are in operation but their application, at least overtly, is not directly in philosophy. They are, in effect, ideological “cousins” but make no mistake – scrape away the economic and psychologistic overlay and their scientistic roots stand revealed.
In the next instalment of “Snoop’s Empty Romanticism” Montrealman will, in exposing what is going on in Snoop’s mind, bring his case to a conclusion. He will reveal that Snoop is, at base, little more than a egocentric romantic.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
Hate to break it to you annie, but I do believe that everyone is ignoring you and I’m the only person who reads your posts….ok, that’s a lie….I skim. I give your posts about 10 to 20 sec. – and again today, it’s the same song, just different lyrics (not all that different either).
Have you ever taken a creative writing class annie?
Annie’s simply a pontificating old windsack who should really learn the art of point form. And I’m not talking about the top of his noggin:
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SNOOP’S EMPTY ROMANTICISM: CONCLUSION
“And we aren’t important. Not at all, But it’s the drive to contemplate and understand the bigger forces out there, the things that are more important than us, the chaos and order of the universe, the mystery of life, that fuels my unwillingness to ‘accept our fate,’ a fate that doesn’t necessarily have to be our fate.” (Snoop, March 23)
Isn’t it wonderful? Can you hear a background violin softly playing? It isn’t that Snoop herself is important (or so she wants you to believe) but rather it’s her drive to understand those “bigger forces” that fuels her unwillingness to accept her fate which, she knows, doesn’t have to be her fate. But why doesn’t it have to be her fate and how does she know this? She knows this because, well, because she is Snoop, and Snoop is unwilling to accept her fate. It’s as simple as that. All all the rest is just finger-painting. Snoop is clearly an egocentric romantic but, like romanticism in general, it is empty.
As Snoop was innocent of philosophy and so did not know what scientism was, so now Snoop is innocent of history and does not know what romanticism is. A brief description will suffice. Romanticism consists of a flight from the here and now into some imaginary state. Originally, of course, romanticism was a reaction against the harsh conditions of 19th. century industrialism and came in a number of forms. In a flight from the urban slums of the industrial centers, romaticism took the form of “pastoralism,” a yearning for the natural environment of the green and fertile countryside. Other romantics yearned for a “golden age” in the past (“archaism”) whether of the “Golden Age” of ancient Greece or the primitive, tribal purity of Rousseau’s “noble savage.” Others, however, looked to a similar “golden age” in the future (“futurism”), one in which the “bigger forces” – indeed the “mystery of life” itself – would stand revealed. Snoop belongs in the last group – she is a romantic futurist. But there is an additional feature of all forms of romanticism to be noted: Despite claims to the contrary, romanticism is egocentric. In other words, for Snoop it isn’t about the bigger forces or the mystery of life. It’s all about Snoop. It always was.
Snoop’s egocentrism pops up at different points in her post. Just two examples should suffice. Snoop says that she “wearily read far enough into MM’s first bitch until he whipped out the ‘scientism’ argument.” Snoop didn’t bother reading after that. In addition to arrogance (a basic feature of romanticism), the point is not the “scientism argument” which Snoop confounded in any case. It’s all about Snoop being “weary.” (Poor thing.) Then, Snoop “won’t be satisfied with anything short of a zombie/robot apocalypse or interstellar travel.” Do you see it? It isn’t about the zombie or robots or even about interstellar travel either. It’s all about Snoop not being “satisfied.” (Is there no justice at all in this world for Snoop?) Montrealman could go on but, well, he’s weary of Snoop’s egomania and self-absorption.
So Snoop, science in general and interstellar travel in particular is not, after all, “our only hope” as you initially maintained. The answer to your “mystery of life” doesn’t lie “out there” in the unending reaches of the vacuum of space. It lies “in here” Snoop, in the rational (not romantic) cultivation of the minds of men.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
P.S. I think I’ll skip that “slice of melon for dessert,” a reply to Wheeliep as I originally planned since he adds nothing new to the debate. I never cared for dessert anyway. Sorry for getting your gender wrong.
P.P.S. Since “The Doomsday Fearmongers” was #5 on this morning’s “Most Read” list, Hugo Phurst was wrong in his latest post. But being wrong is no novelty for Hugo. Like Snoop, he’s just another half-witted romantic. And TTFN – I don’t do power-point. What an abomination.
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