To all of you stupid conspiracy nuts, stop vandalizing this city. I am sick of seeing these “911 was a inside job” and Infowars stickers stuck all over the city. Infowars is just a ridiculous conspiracy website run by a pseudo journalist. Anyone who has half a brain (surprisingly rare these days) can see though the 911 conspiracies. I am shocked 2012 doesn’t have its own sticker yet or something on Fukushima. Here is a conspiracy for you: The government invents conspiracies to distract the stupid masses from reading the real news. The plan is to keep the population ignorant so they won’t live in the real world. —Think For Yourself
This article appears in Apr 14-20, 2011.
your in on it!
you are in on it* 🙁
It was the reverse vampires, in conjunction with the Rand Corporation. It’s all part of their plot to eliminate the meal of dinner.
I know they found out the secret to 911, it was in front of you the whole time….
forget osama, get this guy
http://images-mediawiki-sites.thefullwiki.…
how can it not be so obvious??!?!!
I hope that’s delicious cake.
This one actually seems to have some evidence to back it up…
http://images.cheezburger.com/completestor…
Did anyone see Jesse Ventura on Piers Morgan? Talk about a guy who is fucked in the head. Everything was an inside job, and no sorry, he couldn’t talk about some of the missions he was on as a SEAL – the size of the bald wanker I think he ate a fucking seal.
Asked if he could dispel the rumours about him running for President – and we all thought Trump or Palin were one rung below menatal midgets – he refused to discuss.
I think the Shadow People are responsible. Well, it could be the Greys or those reptilian alien dudes who are taking over the government.
REPTILIAN DEATH RAY, GOTTA BE
The cake is a lie, anglo!
Don’t blame me. I voted for Kodos
PDG. Don’t forget about the saucer people!
See, this is what happens when the feeble minded are allowed on the internet, to watch and read nutjob tv shows and books. This has to……fuck what’s that sound……OMG it’s a black…………..
nooo not cake.
I love how ventura’s ‘team’ find some idiot with a cockamamie story to back up rediculous ‘facts’… so they go see him and essentially always take them on their word.
I found it hard to even watch a couple episodes they’re so utterly ridiculous.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LazUZz3K6IY
And let’s not forget the Paranormal hunters, wingnuts are everywhere.
http://tinyurl.com/3b9wb6a
We all know a drive by is what brought WTC 7 down. All them bullets cut through the steel and brick and concrete. Poor Tower never stood a chance.
and you work for which disinformatin service again? everyone knows the truth about what happened, and bush blew the whistle on himself. in voice and video. so there you have it o.p., yes that’s the sad truth.
911 did happen, just the way you heard, and seen, but with all the media hype, you didn’t get the whole story.i have watched every video out there, including some that have just come to light. and a few, that were not even shown on any media. such as one, on one those planes, that were supposed to crash, but was diverted, when the news broke. pirate cams are neat things. i will say no more, there is a big black chopper flying overhead right now.
If you think CNN and Fox are “real” then you are a mental midget. For the record I think 9/11 conspiracies are stupid, but don’t fucking call the mainstream media “real”.
“We all know a drive by is what brought WTC 7 down. All them bullets cut through the steel and brick and concrete. Poor Tower never stood a chance.”
What, no comments about homosexuality? No bestiality? No incest?
Have I gotten through? Or is it just a bad day for you?
Perhaps The Coast staff and management are going to speak for themselves now?
I’m a bit of a conspiracy theorist, I guess, if that means I don’t just believe everything I read and hear in the media. Anyone with half a brain and an internet connection can see the paper trail pretty clearly. It’s getting to the point where you really can pretty much fool all the people all the time.
I knew I was forgetting the Saucer People, and now they’ll team up with the ants to take over LTWWB
http://www.bloodygoodhorror.com/bgh/files/…
i guess our idjit is back with a new personna again, right hjvbz?
“What, no comments about homosexuality? No bestiality? No incest?”
You’re gay, pickle-fucker.
Wasn’t there a security drill going on during 7/7 involving the same scenario that transpired?
Somebody bring me up to speed on that. Maybe I dreamt it.
So, Nice Goin’ Fat, why don’t you just print what you really think? (Oh because you can’t delete it once it is on the rack and across town)
Latest editorial headline on The Coast: Why I hate gay pickle fuckers, by the Owner of The Coast.
I just can’t see it. Why can’t you print what you really believe? Answer: because you know it is fucking wrong!
It is not, turtle-fucker. You must be a lame virgin.
Almost forgot to mention this too, oldhand but stop putting up those “9/11 was an Inside Job” stickers around the city! You fucking wing-nut. I know you think it’ll help you get some pussy but women don’t dig wing-nuts like yourself.
Instead I’ve got some “NGF is an inside job!” stickers if you’d like to put those up instead. Chicks dig them!
OK, put down the crack pipe. You’ll find your posts get more coherent. Go get some real dope or see a psychiatrist who can prescribe something appropriate or a suitable non-drug treatment if there is one for your condition. Really, you will feel better and you will find all this hate just goes away.
NGF – you might want to recommend this to some of your detractors.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacif…
You the only one hatin’, cuz. All you got is a PhD – Playa Hata Degree.
Don’t push us cuz we’re close to the edge … we’re trying not to lose our heads ah huh huh huh. It’s like a jungle sometimes makes me wonder how we keep from going under.
But you’re still my brother 🙂 And, really, I do have “NGB is an inside job” stickers for you to put up.
No, I am not hating. I am calling you out on inappropriate (and often illegal) public behaviour.
Make fun of me all you like, you still need help. Your hate will spill over into action eventually.
It is not funny, it is not entertaining, it is sick.
Wrong.
You’re just a simple hater. If Martin Luther King were alive today he’d agree that you’re a hater.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to go to a photo op with Usama bin Laden and *(Evil) Bert from Sesame Street.
If Gandhi were alive today even he would be tempted to give hjboldhand an atomic wedgie.
OP, they must be reading Frank.
I’m still curious as to how this is illegal?
saying and doing are very different… except maybe in an airport…
I highly doubt hollywood would profit so much from movies with no material that could be considered illegal.
I know I wouldn’t want to watch them anyways….
Oldhandjob: I MAY or many not be a lawyer, but I would like to inform you that the the words expressed here would never stand up in court.
Saying something is one thing. Doing it is another.
You’ve been watching too much minority report.
Stop masturbating to pictures of dead babies once and a while and get out and about here or there. You’re becoming a bit too disconected from reality.
So just how did Building 5 at the WTC site happen to collapse just like the twin towers? And just how do steel framed buildings like the twin tower collapse at “free fall” speed. As a civil engineer, I can’t buy FEMA’s story line at all. What is your information based on?
Well anyone who knows anything about demolition knows that it takes a lot of time, people and equipment to set charges. So explain how they could do it without anyone seeing them as those buildings were occupied 24/7. Um you also realize those buildings weren’t designed to have the weight of a 767 on them. See there is one thing CTs weren’t born with and that is common sense. Read the reports and actually learn what happened.
What really happened ?
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/…
what firefighters who were there & survived had to say.
http://911lies.org/fire_fighters_911_wtc_t…
Fire fighter testimony before the tower fell from observatons in the sub basement area.
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/…
I have no idea what happened, although I have friends who wer eon the scene when the towers fell & who were responsible for getting electricity & lights working for rescuers…they were a movie crew & they used their Generators & Lighting equipment to help .
All I know for sure is, this incident was exactly what George DUB YA neded to implement the ‘Homeland Security Force’ a policing agency with broad powers that go against the US Constitution. But because of the grief , anger & shock of the American people…barely a whimper was said & those who did try to protest this encroachment of their rights by the Government were simply treated like EVERY OTHER disenter by any other Government in other Countries…
BUt As We All Know…Georgie wanted a War with Iraq, even if it was an illegal war & he IMO would do anything to bring that to fruition.
-Quote ” Naturally the common people don’t want war, neither in Russian, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy,or a facist dictatorship, or a parliment or a communist dictatorship.
Voice or no voice a people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. THAT IS EASY. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked & denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same for any country.”
end quote by- Herman Goering, Nuremburg
It worked then
It still works today .
yeah, I’m going to blindly trust a site who’s main page has adds pushing Berkey Light Water Filters….
you do know anything can be written… which seems to be hjackoffbuttfuck’s problem.
If y’all haven’t already, this doc is a REALLY good watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXnA9FjvLSU
It’s nothing on a conspiracy, and it can be a bit disturbing, but I think it’s a must watch. All this talk of how 9/11 was an inside job or whatver…. maybe it was, but I think this whole “inside job” thing really overshadows the horror that happened that day on a human level.
So give it a watch.
Anything can be written.
THe radio talk between firefighters was RECORDED, & it can also be MONITORED & these conversations are available
I’m not saying anything one way or another.
But if Fire fighters say they heard explosions. I believe them.
In that calamity, I’m willing to bet they’d attest to seeing ghosts and leprechauns.
I’d surely be going bat-shit crazy…
True dat. When people think jumping from the 97th floor is their best option you KNOW there’s some crazy shit going on.
How to be a conspiracy theorist:
Systematically search for tidbits of information that support what you already believe and present them out of their greater context as “proof”. Ignore everything that contradicts what you have already decided to be the truth. If anyone shoots down your “proof” with facts or logic, accuse them of of being “in on it” and continue to use your repeatedly disproven arguments without any revision or critical thought applied.
Repeat.
Fight or Flight Kitty. Fire is one of the things that just about all animals are hardwired to flee. WW1 pilots would carry pistols, not in case they went down behind enemy lines but to kill themselves if their plane started to burn. . No parachutes , not until 1918. Or they would jump prefering a quicker death.
The doc link I posted is about the jumpers. It’s heartbreaking to watch, especially the loved ones talking about how they’re at peace with their family member jumping. One husband described it as though she must’ve felt like she was flying.
It’s just so sad. I think the saddest part is that the people in the towers above the impact sites that couldn’t get down had communications with the outside world. I would be hysterical if, for instance, my mom had called me from there on that day.
And then there’s the people you saw in the windows pleading to be rescued and hanging out windows with white table clothes and napkins trying to get a breath of fresh air and they’re all piled on top of each other.
You think about what happened and you don’t really realize the magnitude until you see it on a humaine level.
Very tragic.
I watched this yesterday during my lunch break and I immediately didn’t have time for all the silly bullshit people around me seem to be pulling. Puts things into perspective.
Roger that. SOBova watched it and had much the same reaction you did. I was at work that day in a little basement office at our old location on the penisula. Listening to the radio and giving updates to the warehouse folks. I had the strongest desire to just be home with my wife and cat. No other real-time event before or since has had that effect on me.
They heard explosions because a fucking commercial jetliner full of fuel crashed into the goddamn building, asshat.
Go get ’em Brendon:
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj71/Go…
Grrrrrrrr!
i will never forget that day either commander. one of the waitstaff came screaming into the bakeshop “it’s world war three” i called the bear and then went home…rooooo
I was at the library at acadia studying all morning and wasn’t connected to the network so I had NO idea what happened until I said something silly (a joke) and a friend reemed me out.
Also, I’d say your post nerd’matron, is DEFINITELY more motherfucker than son of a bitch. Maybe we have to consider evening out the score there, bud?
Orgasmatron – he’s tanned, rested and topped up on hemoglobin. IT’S ON!
…plus cookies and milk http://www.cat-parishilton.com/wp-content/…
…and Ice Cream!. Took a pint AND his tonsils ,they must have.
http://www.akmg.com/blog/wp-content/upload…
Orgasmatron
Actually the explosions came much later than the aircraft impacting the buildings. Aviation fuel is similar to kerosene so it would blow & burn at the time of impact…it couldn’t wait around for 10 or 20 minutes ,an hour & then blow up …???is this where I insert insult ???
I had 2 friends at ground zero when the first plane hit.
I have photo’s taken by them during the first initial hits, as well as photo’s taken because they were local 58 techs…who were also firefighters. They were there after the building fell, during the so called rescue & they don’t believe it was a conspiracy, but there was some strange shit happening & why isn’t it possible that terrorists couldn’t have been in the building willing to die ? Terrorists with bombs or other explosives ? They had tried it before…or did you miss that previous attempt.
There were terrorists on planes who were very visibly ready to die !?!
I’ve heard the conspiracy theories as well , I don’t remember seeing the possibility of other terrorists on the ground, having been proven or disproven.
Maybe the explosions were caused by the fires when they hit combustable things within the buildings?
I’m not saying it’s a conspiracy or not and I’m not agreeing with anyone or disagreeing, it just seems like there are a lot of things that just don’t make sense and questions that will never be answered.
One thing I always thought was interesting is how the towers fell… they didn’t topple over, they fell like they were imploded. Maybe a structural engineer could enlighten us on this (I think someone said they were one above?)?
Bahahaha “49% Motherfucker, 51% Son of a Bitch” is actually the subtitle for “Lemmy”, which is a documentary about Lemmy Kilmister of Motorhead. I thought it was the most badass subtitle ever and my avatar at the time was JesusLemmy, so I decided to add it to my name.
That doesn’t mean you couldn’t even up YOUR count.
Geez!
http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/…
I suppose terrorists on the ground is a possibilty, but you’d think word would get out about that sort of thing. There’d also probably be some trace of explosives, which, AFAIK, wasn’t found.
PK maybe that is so.
My first post has reported comments from fire fighters that were not released until 2005. look at the third link.
I heard from 2 people I knew who were there, & they heard explosions, They told it to me when we were at a Union Convention in Feb 2002, it also when I got a copy of a disc full of photo’s. That they took & others there and taken & shared. They were there & took turns keeping temporary power through loaned Movie Production Generators working at the site for 3 months, with other 58 members.
They also had photo’s of Structural steel beams cut by what looks like plasma cutter…but they say that is what recuers/searchers used to get through to some areas. So its possible those type pictures are just being used in the wrong context, as they happened after the fact, possibly even weeks or months later.
But none of that explains explosions on lower floors, that has never come out in the “official story”, that were reported at the time they happened by credible trained witnesses.
SHIT, they’re on to us….
quit using the force for a minute… see what they do.
http://urlybits.com/wp-content/uploads/201…
AFAIK, a huge ass insurance policy was put on the twin towers not that long before 9/11.
I just think it’s something we’ll never really ever know the answers to. Like the whole who shot JFK thing.
Some questions in history are never answered.
Also some evidence comes out after the ‘official story’ which doesn’t jive with that storey or what was officially reported at the time.
Here’s another good site, doesn’t make judement it just gives you what they have.
http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/evidenc…
I think we ALL should have a conspiracy to make the city MORE BEAUTIFUL!!!
Flowers for EVERYONE!!!
http://ihasahotdog.files.wordpress.com/201…
CUTEEEEEEE!!!
Where did the thermite come from?
OH my god… there’s so much crap being spouted in this thread. Seriously guys? You’re just parroting bullshit you heard from celebrity idiots like Rosie O’Donnell, who are parroting what they heard in “loose change”… which happens to be the biggest load of steaming bullshit of all.
Massive respect lost… ugh.
possibly from terrorists on the ground.
But I don’t believe that it says there’s ‘proof’ of Thermite. Just that the evidence on what was found on those steel components was consistant with thermite.
If everyone is just going to randomly speculate without thinking critically or having done even a bit of serious research then there is no fucking hope for any of you. And if we blindly believed every anonymous internet “truther” that who claimed to be a physicist or a civil engineer then we might as well stop thinking for ourselves all together.
911 “truthers” aren’t interested in the truth. They are true believers, nothing more. The trademark of a true believer is someone who doesn’t accept when they are wrong, even in the face of conclusive evidence. They wont even recognize holes in their own arguments. Someone who is actually interested in the truth is someone who is mature enough to admit when they were wrong. And ALL of their arguments have already been discredited and debunked over and over again. Yet none of these arguments ever seem to change. Or if they do they just move the goalpost or accuse your sources of being “part of the conspiracy”. It’s called chronic self delusion and it happens after every big disaster: JFK assassination, Holocaust, Pearl Harbor, Hiroshima, you name it, they all have conspiracy theories surrounding them. You all laugh at the the reptillian alien conspiracy theories but it’s the same thing, it’s no crazier than pointing to a pool of melted aluminum aircraft wreckage in a photo and going “OMFG the steel beams melted therefore George Bush was in on it, you can’t prove it wasn’t steel, you weren’t there!!! I know a guy who knows a guy who was there and he says it was!!!”
There’s actually serious real concerns about the governments actions that were exposed in the aftermath of the attacks, and everyone is shitting themselves over how fast the debris was falling? You’ve got to be kidding me.
If any of you are really concerned about what the truth is, then you’ll at least do your time reading some non bullshit truther websites before you start blindly parroting shit you know nothing about written by people who know nothing either. So go ahead:
http://debunking911.com/index.html
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/
PK, Lee Harvey Oswald assassinated JFK. The ballistics have proved it time and time again. It was not a difficult shot. All else is to sell books and “documentaries”. The twin towers is the same thing. They weren’t designed to handle the weight of a 767 and add to it the explosion of the fuel. All these disasters along with the moon landings does isto sell things to those who don’t want to believe the truth.
I think it is 2030 when the JFK files can be released. The ballistics etc prove that it could be done but I’m skeptical. With a bolt action rifle, I’ve tried getting off as many shots as Lee in the same amount of time he took and while it is possible, the odds of getting a good shot were pretty high. Not to say he didn’t get lucky, but I think there is something funny about what happened in Dallas that day.
GRAVITY IS A GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY!!!
OMG I’m just kidding!!!
Yup and there were WMDs in Iraq….
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/polit…
All together now baa baa.
Cranky, three shots 5-7 seconds, not difficult. Bang, work the bolt aim, bang, work the bolt, aim, bang. All done. Target about 85 yds away, moving straight forward, very slowly, the shooter being an ex-marine. Not that difficult but even he missed on the first shot.
Snoop: not all of us claim to believe anything either way. I haven’t done much research, but I find it entertaining to read the different points of view. Probably because I have a lawyer-like mind and enjoy arguing points. Any point. And I’ll argue any side — even ones I don’t personally believe in.
Seriously though, watch that doc I posted. It’s not about conspiracy, and it makes you realize what’s REALLY important about that day — the lives lost and the people who suffered and suffer today.
I’ve already seen the doc you posted. Why don’t you read the links I posted they explain a number of things you have parroted.
As entertaining it might be to read different ‘points of view’, I don’t consider blatantly wrong opinions to be valid just because it’s someone’s point of view. There are plenty of completely false and damaging points of view out there that are worth challenging and debunking. Like holocaust denial, global warming denial, pseudo-scientific medical claims, intelligent design as “science” etc.
The attitude of “we’ll never really ever know the answers” to events in history or anything in general is wrong, lazy, and allows misinformation to fester. And misinformation is dangerous. It’s that pesky new age postmodernist attitude that every opinion is just as valid as any other and that there are no real answers to anything. Bullshit.
I can understand debating for debates sake for any side, even if you don’t believe in it. I praise you for that because it’s an excellent exercise in critical thinking, as long as you are critical of your own arguments as well as your opponents’ and demand evidence and logical fallacy free arguments from both sides.
But don’t be so flippant with which sides you decide to argue for ESPECIALLY if you haven’t done enough research yet to make up your own mind. Some things aren’t a matter of opinion, but a matter of facts. Facts which in this case clearly point in one direction, and being ignorant of the facts doesn’t excuse someone from taking responsibility for what they say.
this is one of my favourite debunkers http://lifeinthefastlane.com/wp-content/up…
NGF refuses to believe in the magic bullet theory and wonders how terrorists on the ground got thermite into the Towers hundreds of feet up. And what happened to the jumbo fucking jet that allegedly hit the Pentagon that looked like a Cessna at most on still frames; the same still frames released by the FBI or whomever.
NGF also wonders why Donald Rumsfeld went as far as to say that he wished people would just shut up about it. Such sentiments aren’t consistent with people or groups with nothing to hide.
http://darkmattersradio.com/wp-content/upl…
This guy was my favorite sceptic. It reached the point that people like Stanton Friedman, Budd Hopkins and Whitley Streiber would refuse to appear with him.
Magicians make good debunkers because their craft is knowing how to deceive and delude people. Randi, Houdini, Penn and Teller, Rebecca Watson, all skeptical magicians.
I bet it was David Copperfield who was behind 9/11. The magic is that the Towers are actually still standing and it’s an optical illusion that they’re gone and crumbled in under 10 seconds each from jet fuel and fire.
i’m not going to post it but randi roasts yuri (not the astronaut) on the carson show http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.…
funny thing about oswald, he was flunked by his d.i. in weapons as a lousy shooter. the towers were designed to hold the weight of a 747 i believe, not the bigger newer model. they invaded iraq for the first strike capability, not the oil, because fuck all is still coming from there.
ni had a friend, in the u.s. military, that mentioned one night, after a few too many. that they wanted it, to have a stranglehold over the mid east, in the event of a war with russia, or some other euroean country. read maybe korea? iraq is in a very choice middle of the field area, and has a lot of nuclear neighbors, in a 1,000 mile radius. look at a world map, and how many countries, have nukes?
but don’t believe everything you read or hear, just what the gubermint disinformation services give you. who do you think tries the hardest to disprove the truth.
no, jesse isn’t coaching me, just from what i see and heard myself. i have seen all the vids, and read all the shit.and by the way, thermite doesn’t go bang, but gets some motherfucking hot, in a very short time. as to oswald hitting a target at that range, yes, it is easy, if you are a trained assasssin, or an extremly good hunter, which he was neither. the one i liked, was the pilot of the plane, being diverted to the other military airport, 10 minutes, before that plane, was supposed to hit the first tower. and why, is the people, that were supposed to be the terorists, still living in different countries, and have been sought out by the military, of the u.s.
some many questions not answered, and so much gubermint bullshit, out to prove they are right, and wrong also. you want a coverup, then create one, they way they do it everytime this type of shit happens. it’s all planned and thought out beforehand, by military stratigists. now i must go and change my hat, the foil is getting frayed a bit.
A neighbour’s younger brother is a former US Marine who decided to go AWOL after a year or two in the service. He would tell his older brothers (and us as a group sometimes) that when there is general peace or ‘inactivity’ for several years that the US will create a war or use propaganda to go in and invade a country or start a new war. And that the Administrations made no bones about it like it was their God-given right to just go bully smaller nations around the world because they were ‘bored’ or felt like it.
And that’s why the US and Canada are going to lose big in the Mid-East.
LS not sure where you got that Oswald was a bad shot. He ranked as a sharpshooter. According to the USMC they have three rankings, the first is Marksman with a score between 190-209, a Sharpshooter 210-219, and Expert which is 220-250. A Marine Marksman could have made those shots and LHO was above that. Here is his USMC Score Book and a statement made by his instructor and confrmed in the Warren Report.
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/572588…
Bro Tim, I tried it in practice, not as easy as you think even with a stationary target. I’ve got a copy of the Warren Commission Report around here somewheres, in it you will find that though he did ‘qualify’, in subsequent testing he barely managed to qualify with the bare minimum for the marines.
Sharpshooter is above Marksman, what don’t you understand? He was better than average and as I said that shot is not difficult. And You used a Caracano rifle? Every bolt action rifle have various degress of resistance (if you want to call it that) and it also depends on the shape it is, oiled, etc). There have been thousands of tests to prove the shots could easily be made.
better than average compared to who? a person who hasn’t fired a rifle? I think thats what they meant. But yeah, do think it is possible to make the shot, I just find it unlikely. They even found the sights were off (actual test, not a conspiracy) but maybe he knew that and adjusted, right? I just think there are too many factors to lay it all on oswald, but the investigation was fucked from the get go so that just clouds the issue.
gotta love those military terms though “marksman”, “sharpshooter” etc. great for morale but really….
Gee, he adjusted, well duh. You take a rifle, you sight it in, in this case with a scope. It’s off, the scope can’t be adjusted, so you adjust your aim. Yup, that’s rocket science alright. Hell at 87 yards I can make those shots without a scope. The minimum distance for firing is 100yds, and you also fire from 200-500 yds.
I don’t understand the 9/11 conspiracy. The Bush Administration was in cahoots with al-Queda? They blew up the buildings just after the planes hit? The planes hit, that is fact. This would mean Mohammed Atta and his team gave up their lives for Dubya. Doubtful. I have no quarrel that Bush USED this tragedy to settle Daddy’s (or the Saudi’s) score with Saddam and invade Iraq. What about the Pentagon? That was an inside job? Conspiracies are hard to pull off. One of this magnitude would be just about impossible and I haven’t seen anything from any government that would make me think they have that kind of competence.
JFK is another matter. We’ll never know because the assassin was shot and killed. Good citizen Jack Ruby wanted to spare Jackie Kennedy a trial so he was willing to spend the rest of his life in prison by shooting Oswald. What a guy.
Where’d the magic bullet come from? The one that hit JFK, not the food processor.
Sigh, Can’t we all just get along? we will all be dead next year anyway 😉
but that was with a .30 cal. carbine, try that with high power 5.56 or 6.5 graig ammo. there is more kick, more sound, and more resetting aim time. just a 30.30., or a 303. cal. is a very tricky shot. i have fired and owner a m-1 , and they are just like a .22 cal. rimfire. no kick, next to no sound, and aim reset is almost automatic. bolt action jobs, require a lot of skill and practice to try that. the rifle in the file press media, is a russian type of rig, that are very unstable, in the best of times. sort of like the chinese, sks were. and the only gun that could have really done this deed. would be the 400 mark 7 savage with a 300 grain slug, and 260 grain powder, but not made in that year.
as to the plane that nailed the pentagon, measuring the distance, side to side, doesn’y conform to an airplane as large as they say did it. even with exploding outside force, the hole was about the same size as a tommahawk, or cruise mssile. and what about the footage, and the people saw it happen. they all said that no known plane, hit it as fast as it did. just short of calling them all fucking liars and murderers, i will let that go. and why was the mayor of new york asked/told by someone to not go in to work that day? there is more truth to the lies, than the truth itself. you have to openly accept, that there might have been something not right, going on. and the last piece. why did bush go after saddam, if osama was to blame? seems to me, that you don’t punish the kids family, for said kids behaviour. that was to deflect people away from getting the real story, til they cooked a good one up. oil indeed, hardly a drop has come from there, and the missles are going in, weekly. google earth 3d is wonderful at catching shit like that.
An M-1 round is equal to a 7.62mm round or .308cal, the C-7 or M-16 round is 5.56mm or .233cal , and the Caracano a 6.5mm round or .268cal. The Carcano wouldn’t have that much of a kick, especially for a trained soldier or marine. I was completely trained with the FNC1 7.62, the C-7 5.56, and the Sterling Submachine gun 9mm and none of them have a kick that would cause a soldier not be able to get three rounds off in 7 seconds and hit their target downrange of about 87 yards.
NGF, there was no “magic” bullet. That is an invention of CTs. They insist that Gov Connally was sitting directly in front of JFK. He wasn’t. He was sitting lower than Kennedy and somewhat to Kennedy’s left. Again the Zupruder film shows the positioning and the ballistics prove it was one shot from the Book Depository.
ah yes tim, but governments can prove anything they want to. adnd who do you think john q. public will believe. look at the floride in water thing, ufo coverups, the whole hing is a bunch of bullshit, designed to be lies, by the gov. of the day, to cast doubt on the non believers of said day. what or who better to fabricate crap, but the gubermint.
wouldn’t put it past them, that they were the ones to start most of the shit they say did not happen. oh what a tangled fucking web they spin.
now today, if that was to happen, people would automatically know, that it was lies put out, to disinform peole. but we are much smarter now, are we? look at harper et al., there is the biggest load of bullshit, that i have ever seen, since leaving my uncle’s farm. the more they pile it on, the further people want to distance themselves from them.sorta reverse politricks. tell lies, they flock to you, tell truth, people run away. miss green, you have my vote this year. not because i think you will ever win, just so the other assholes don’t get it.fuck the gang of 3+1.
“An M-1 round is equal to a 7.62mm round or .308cal, the C-7 or M-16 round is 5.56mm or .233cal , and the Caracano a 6.5mm round or .268cal. The Carcano wouldn’t have that much of a kick…” I understood none of that … but talk dirty some more! heh
http://www.juicerblenderreview.com/images/…
I likes the way you rolls Donkster. RAWK!
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i’ll play, one from the vault http://amazingdata.com/mediadata43/Image/f…
Gonna need something to wash that down with Painey:
http://www.chevyhhr.net/gallery/files/2/0/…
I think Oswald got lucky, is all. Stupid commie.
The Skating Oval was an inside job, pass it on
happy humpback whale day admiral
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I rather like Penn & Teller’s argument that if the US government couldn’t cover up Watergate, they they can’t cover up anything.
More bullshit, mindless parroting, ahhhhhhhhh!
I’m not even going to personally correct some of the bullshit various commenters have spewed here about 9/11 because it never goes anywhere. No amount of debunking will ever stop the bullshit will it? Yet it’s been debunked so many times you have to be a complete moron to even entertain the idea now! Seriously, fucking inform yourself.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology…
http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Main_Pag…
http://www.cracked.com/article_15740_was-9…
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.…
Okay, the last two are more comedic, but valid points made nonetheless.
If a Rhode’s Scholar, sexual predator Prez. can’t even keep a hummer secret, what are the chances that a Skull & Bones, borderline retard cokehead Christer can. Oh I forgot, Sith Lord Darth Chenious was his mentor. Stoopid, gullible me. >: (
Bro Tim, we trained on the same rifles so we both know that while ‘kick’ is not much of a factor, I think the bolt action was more of a factor on his ability to aim properly. The process of ejecting the round and picking up where you left off on a moving target is what bothers me. But who knows, maybe he got hours of practice in that no one knows about, but I figure he just got lucky. Even the Warren Commission bases a lot of it weight on the ‘magic bullet theory’
Conspiracy Factoid: one of the Watergate burglars is connected to the JFK assassination! Or not.
Ah fuck it
“as to the plane that nailed the pentagon, measuring the distance, side to side, doesn’y conform to an airplane as large as they say did it.”
LS, real life doesn’t work like this:
http://foggedclarity.com/wp-content/upload…
But I guess the experts are just in on the conspiracy, and were all paid off to say this:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology…
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_98zZGlDC3HY/TQPI…
I’ll admit that I haven’t delved too deeply into the 911 conspiracies because I consider them to be horseshit. So can anyone answer the question – If a hijacked airliner didn’t hit the Pentagon then what did? Missile? – Launched by who? Preplanted explosives – placed by who?
Also, a question for the shooters out there since Mr. Armchair General here has never been closer to real firearm than my 1979 copy of Janes Book Of Rifles and Light Machine Guns.
When firing multiple rounds from a bolt action weapon is it easier to re-aquire the target through a scope or through the iron sights? I’d appreciate your input guys.
I use open sights 90% of the time so am biased towards them, except for ‘peep’ sights like on the FN’s which were heinous. A good not too powerful scope fitted to the user would be faster if the person were trained to use it and practiced with it.
Many thanks Cranky >: )
ivan, in a few vids i have seen, there is a flash of light, from under front of plane, just before it hits. also, how come, on magnetfication, two of those planes seem to have no windows visible? even in bright sunlight.
as to sights or scope, it depends on how well you know your weapon, and how much practice you have firing, and re-aquiring targets. i have been hunting the better part of 50 years, and have used a wide variety of rifles and loads.
and at anywhere from 50, to 1,000 yards. remember, 50 yards is only 150 feet, but to re-aquire a target, after the first shot, can get real dicey. let alone firing 2 and 3 shots. by that time, your prey is history in the woods, field, or the plaza, depending on the target.
tim, i have tried this myself, with 7 different rifles, with and without scopes. using a moving vehicle with a remote, of my own design. on a backwoods road in stewiacke. from the shots fired, 2 out of 3, got to the target, and they were the first two.303, 30.30. 30.06, 308. 44.40. and an old 55.60. and i threw a .22 repeater in there for a laugh. do you wanna guess which one was more accurate. and no, i couldn’t find a .30 cal. m-1, or an sks, or even anything to take 7.56, or 5,56 ammo.
PK
“One thing I always thought was interesting is how the towers fell… they didn’t topple over, they fell like they were imploded. Maybe a structural engineer could enlighten us on this (I think someone said they were one above?)?”
It’s good that you find this interesting, but don’t mistake it as evidence of controlled demolition like the conspiracy nuts will tell you. The physics of building collapse is not as simple as a layman saying “It looks sort of like a controlled demolition, therefore it is!” No demolition experts support the controlled demolition theory.
Many structural engineers have already answered the question of why the buildings collapsed the way they did, it takes a detailed understanding of the structure of the specific buildings to understand, as well as a basic knowledge of physics and chemistry. People who claim to know for a fact that the towers couldn’t have been brought down by planes often use straw man attacks to “refute” the evidence. For example, conspiracy theorists say that the fire from the jet fuel couldn’t have melted the steel beams, but they fail to recognize that no ever said that the fire melted the steel. They misunderstand (knowingly?) the points and instead attack arguments they themselves made up.
Here is some information that will help you understand the science behind the twin towers’ collapse. Remember that the only method conspiracy theorists have to debunk all of the evidence provided by hundreds of experts, is by using straw man attacks, half-truths, quotes taken out of context, I could go on… oh yeah, everyone who doesn’t believe them are being paid off by the government to keep quiet.
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/Media_Public_Brie…
http://debunking911.com/towers.htm
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology…
http://debunking911.com/firsttime.htm
The last one is about the “first time in history fallacy” a simplistic and misleading argument conspiracy theorists use to fool otherwise sensible people into swallowing their horseshit.
Also, the bit about the insurance policy you mentioned is proof of nothing. Just because two things might happen close to one another in time doesn’t mean they are correlated in any other way. This is pure speculation and the people perpetuating it would have done so even if it was a different person and even if they took it out five years or ten years in advance.
Hey LS, no windows in videos you’ve seen huh? I challenge you to film anything that high up in the air moving that fast and then zoom in on it and be able to distinguish something as small as a passenger flight window among the pixels, what are they, two feet high? You’ve got to be kidding me. You also sound an awful lot like you are just parroting the worthless anecdotal musings of a FOX news employee:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology…
Also, I guess they must have secretly blown up a plane in advance and then planted the debris into ground zero right under the noses of the firefighters to get this shot:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cm/popular…
One (especially a trained infantryman/rifleman) doesn’t need a scope for a shot of 73-81m the distances Kennedy was shot from. The shots have been replicated thousands of times since then with the same rifle and ammo.
LS, the target was moving straight away from Oswald, so no lead time was needed at 10mph, again no great feat. And you said you hit the target 2 out of 3 times, which is exactly what Oswald did.
The problem is, people don’t want to believe that a person could get through the President’s security and shoot him but it has been done since then, Hinckley and Reagan, not to mention Lynette Fromme (Charlie Manson’s two whacked out follower) and Sara Moore (who admitted to radical beliefs) . Had the Secret Service had killed Hinckley, there would have been a bunch of CTs going on how members of the government or Iran or the Soviets or someone had conspired to kill him. However Hinckley was not killed and the reason he did it was his insane belief he did it for the love of Jodie Foster. Who knows, maybe LHO did it for the love of Marilyn Monroe.
Hey More,
I’m impressed that you admitted that lights seen flashing could have been caused by “caused by the fires when they hit combustible things within the buildings?” right on PK, also by electrical shenanigans (lets be technical) So kudos to you both!
Instead of explaining the differences between a controlled demolition and a structural failure induced collapse, here’s a video, because I’ve typed enough today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsUYhrXonXQ…
“But none of that explains explosions on lower floors, that has never come out in the “official story”, that were reported at the time they happened by credible trained witnesses.”
Actually the official story about the so-called explosions has been explained and they weren’t explosions at all! Many videos show (in slow motion) little puffs of dust and debris (no fire, no booms) shooting out of the windows just before the main billow of smoke as the building was collapsing. It’s important to recognize that these did not happen until AFTER the building started collapsing (as opposed to before as you would expect if the explosions caused the collapse).
The explanation is simple, just the air in the building being forced out of the weakest point (the windows) as one floor falls on top of another like a stack of pancakes.
There are some occasions of bigger puffs of dust and debris coming out of the walls several floors below the main billow of falling rubble and although it may look like an explosion superficially it’s actually just the air trapped in the elevator shaft being forced down and out as the rubble continues to fall.
This is how simple explanations can be mistaken for evidence of grand conspiracies. The same thing goes with electrical shenanigans being mistaken for demolition flashes. All other accounts of explosions seen or heard are anecdotal and don’t seem to be consistent at all with every video ever recorded of the towers falling.
I ask this, which is more plausible? The simple explanations written above, or that it’s all an elaborate conspiracy?
I really wanted to post up a video of Nash the Slash performing Psychotic Reaction but no luck.
Also PK,
About that insurance policy…
The theory is that the towers were demolished so that Silverstein could cash in.
I was content with the correlation causation fallacy, but this guy takes it further:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDXNDZDATLg…
Also More, if you were referring to the Damage seen in lower floors inside of the buildings before the collapse and not the puffs of dust I was addressing, the elevator shafts and the basic structure of the building (I think I have a link about that up there somewhere) are to blame.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology…
It is naive to think that the site of impact would be the only place to show signs of the damage before the collapse… almost as naive as thinking a mostly aluminum jet would make a cartoon cookie-cutter-like hole in the side of a reinforced concrete building, eh LS?
Did I miss anything? Oh yeah…
“So just how did Building 5 at the WTC site happen to collapse just like the twin towers?”
First of all, WTC 5 only partially collapsed and was later demolished because it was unsafe. How you see that as being just like the twin towers escapes me. WTC 7 collapsed though, are you getting your conspiracy nonsense mixed up? WTC 7 is the one that most conspiracy buffs like to focus on… but hey to each his own.
Anyway, both of the buildings received damage from heavy falling debris… like, I don’t know, steel motherfucking beams falling on them! (Sometimes, when something is next to something else that is being destroyed, the other thing gets damaged as well! I know, it’s super complicated.) and then burned for hours weakening the structure to the point of collapse.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology…
It just baffles me, first they say that the towers were brought down by “controlled” demolitions (which by definition are designed to contain the collapse and not harm any surrounding structures. Then you say, well what about all of the other buildings around them that were damaged? And then they just rationalize it away “Oh well, they must have WANTED those buildings to come down too, so they blew them up as well”.
Morons.
“And just how do steel framed buildings like the twin tower collapse at “free fall” speed. As a civil engineer, I can’t buy FEMA’s story line at all. What is your information based on?”
They didn’t fall at “free fall” speed what’s YOUR information based on? Because it sure isn’t based on reality.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLShZOvxVe4
Also, you are not a civil engineer because if you were you wouldn’t have said all that bullshit. When you don’t have the knowledge, science, or evidence on your side it’s always easier to just feign authority anonymously isn’t it? Every actual civil engineer who has ever publicly broached the subject has supported the accepted reasons for the collapse. And you don’t think FEMA consulted civil engineers? AAAHGHGH!
I’m not picking on you More, but just to be thorough:
“Anything can be written.”
Agreed, the bullshit sites you’ve been linking sure are proof of that. That’s why credible sources and peer review is so important.
“The radio talk between firefighters was RECORDED, & it can also be MONITORED & these conversations are available”
After-which a bunch of conspiracy theorists took the recordings and presented them completely out of context as evidence of a conspiracy. Here’s a few dozen examples of both audio and written editing by conspiracy theorists:
http://debunking911.com/quotes.htm
“I’m not saying anything one way or another.
But if Fire fighters say they heard explosions. I believe them.”
If you aren’t saying anything either way, then you’ll have no problem listening to the other side of the story. The side told by peer reviewed reports, science, and logic.
If you haven’t read any of the links I’ve provided above, or if you have and you still don’t believe them, here’s some more credible info written by experts that pertain to the collapse of the WTC buildings:
http://www.agiweb.org/geotimes/nov01/NNwtc…
http://www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/WTC-as…
http://www.structuremag.org/Archives/2007-…
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/
That last one is especially nice, it has a number of sub-links to interactive presentations explaining the effects heat has on metal at a molecular level, computer simulations of the impact etc.
Besides those, there are a number of independent peer reviewed articles on the ASCE (American Society of Civil Engineers), EBSCO, and ProQuest if you have access to any of them. Also, some university websites release articles on the subject written by their professors if you care to sift through them.
Like this guy, I can’t seem to find his article, but here’s a summery by the BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/…
Hey, give him a call if you have some questions about steel structural design or the buildings that collapsed.
Holy shit! It must be true!!! They have a webpage!!!
Idiots.