9/11 conspiracy theories, and the blind fools that promote them. —A Nationalist
This article appears in Sep 16-22, 2010.
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Well you gotta sell books and movies somehow.
LOL @ nationalists.
And Bro Tim, people deserve to know the other side of a story other than what a government says.
and what you actually believe the “official” version of what happened ? yea I’m sure that’s what happened sure 🙂
No matter who did it, thousands of innocent people died and that means there is something wrong with this world.
yea but it’s just as wrong to be a dupe and follow blindly what you know is lies don’t you think?
I know how the government did it. I saw it on an episode of Get Smart (Library DVD). They painted the interior with exploding paint. Yeah the government decided to blow up the greatest buildings of their country and take over 3,000 people with it. For what purpose, to invade a couple of minor countries?
All I know is, the cake is a lie.
Mm cake.
Anti-government conspiracy theories are just a colossal conspiracy to unite the far right and the looney left. And Hallibuton has a major stake in the tinfoil hat industry.
eh nationalist.you forgot to add enemy propagandist,enemy sympathisers/apologists,and lets not forget the largest population in this subculture, the retards.fucking idiots still following evidence that common sense and science repeatedly disproves,fucking tards
Fuck I hate brain farts. Paint is one of Jesse “The Body” Ventura’s conspiracies. In Get Smart, they put nitroglycerine in hollowed out bricks.
i don’t know who did what to who whatever; I just think the expl. the US gov. is giving smells real bad
So therefore, it’s logical to believe the conspiracy theories right? Get real and go watch more Youtube.
The best lie is a mixture/edit of the truth. It’s easy to discredit the truth when you mix it in with crap.
the tin foil hat company & the cia have been hand in hand for years, pease don’t try to say that’s not true.
hey avatar changing guy^^where is your latest photo from?
Sorrento, Italy.
I guess I had better work on my rendering…it’s supposed to look like a watercolour : >)
it’s loverly anyhoo
Oh yeh, beautiful place, built on a cliffside though, everything is up-hill. Got passed by a 80 yr old granny carring groceries, put me in my place, grins.
The chances that someone did something on the ground after the planes hit has never been disproven… friends of mine, who were on site within minutes of the first aircraft hitting the Building (they are local IA 52 members) who worked for the New York fire dept. told me that it was pandemonium there & if there were people in the underground garages with high explosives that could explain the huge I beams found,which looked to have been ‘cut’ when uncovered from the wreckage weeks later !
As to whether it was anyone from the Government or a government agency…all I can say about that .
Surely a government wouldn’t go to WAR with another Soveriegn Nation over Weapons of mass distruction, that didn’t actually exist .
Now would they ?
OOOOPPPPPSS…. The United States did EXACTLY THAT to Iraq !
What better way to ensure the largest possible majority of your population being behind another War. Heinrich Himmler said it at the Nurenburg trials.
” Getting the population to back the Government in going to war is easy, simply tell them we have been attacked & are in danger, anyone who doesn’t conform call them unpatriotic” ….any of this sound familiar to the you guy’s ? ? ?
Sorry More – ReichsHeini never made it to Nuremburg. He took poison shortly after being arrested by British troops in May of 1945.
Some other Nazi leader perhaps?
It’s kinda dumb people obsess over it. 3000 dead businessmen isn’t exactly more important than hundreds of thousands of Iraqis or Palestinians dying over the past couple decades.
I’m with sodeypop. It’s remarkable how people feel sympathy for 3,000 dead Americans but over 1,000,000 dead Iraqis is just casualties of war and therefore allowed to be forgotten or disregarded.
Well 3,000 Americans were making money to buy “stuff” a million dead Iraquis don’t have enough coin to buy dead flies from a camels scrotum.
ssssssh, o.p., that’s a theory how theory how things get started.
sorry, that should have been, that’s a theory on how theories get started.
COL. Ivan…you are correct, it was actually Herman Goring. I dusted off the book I have with this quote , translated to English.
Quote ” Of course the people don’t want war. But after all, it’s the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it’s always a simple matter to drag the people alongwhether its a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliment, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger” – Herman Goring from an interview in Gorings cell Jan 3 1946 at the Nuremburg trials
Sounds like something he’d say. Once he kicked the morphine in Allied custody he provided some of the more coherent, albeit cycnical insights into just how the Nazi regime functioned. Current theory is the poison capsule he used to cheat the noose may have been smuggled to him by a sympathetic American guard. What book, by the way?
Is it 9:11 still? Or wait, it’s 10:23 am. Phew.
Col Ivan…Nuremburg Diary , as recorded by Capt. Gilbert.
As the story goes he had converstions with Goering when he was in his cell at the trial(s).
Thanks More. Was Gilbert the prison psychiatrist? I know that at least 1 U.S. Army doctor published his account of dealing with the major criminals. Joseph Persico’s “Nuremburg” is worth a read; I believe he references Gilbert as a primary source.
To Ivan et all, a side note. There’s been a certain annoyance here from time to time, MM, turns out he has another screename – Annie.
Interesting Hugo. Where does Annie hang out? The handle doesn’t seem familiar here, but I’ve only been around for about 9 months. Don’t give away any of your sources here in public, but how do you come by this bit of intel?
Another post on Community Herald, blog.
http://communityherald.ca/read/97/41597
He’s a bit of a tool, that montrealman, isn’t he??
LMFAO! Hugo, this is a coup on a par with Cdr. Rochefort breaking Japanese naval codes prior to the battle of Midway. I think “Annie” owes us royalites…>; )
wow thanks inspector hugo
But who is going to pay him for that shite, Colonel?? Me thinks that our percentage of nothing is… uh… nothing. And I don’t want a smack upside the head as our portion of the beating he’d get from the throngs here who are a little more violent in nature…
Ahem….thank you, thank you very much.
Is it really true, as suggested in Annie’s blog post, that Montrealman was banned from LTWWB?
that was mod 3.0 and i think most of us decided we didn’t want to vote ’cause it was stupid. i find him entertaining but i knew we were just a social experiment, ya know after reading my tea leaves and making voodoo dolls^^^
that was risky… clicking on annie shows his ‘name’, be it true or not….
it IS an actual match so buddy listed in Qc.
no new halifax information is provided…
I may be on a cleverly disguised goose hunt but its scary to think if I’m not.
Maude put it to a vote. A number of MM’s harshest Don Cherry Type Redneck Strutter sparring partners actually opposed banning him. I don’t know how the results broke down. It was never specifically announced that further installments of his “thesis” would no longer be posted as Bitches, but they did stop coming. As far as I know, no effort was ever made to stop him from commenting.
He just commented again over the weekend – so he’s definitely not blocked. But his “thesis” was a bit inane and pointless (except to unite the masses against him), and not technically “bitches”, per say…
I’m wondering, since MM has trans-gendered into”Annie” is he/she/it Wilkes or Lebowitz?
I think it’s Cockney rhyming slang for fanny, which in England would make him a minge, not an arse.
and upon further research, an email address can be easily located doing a web search for said person haha success!
you go vot, whose got the mystery mobile today?
i would never suggest mass emails from the underclass 😛
“Well 3,000 Americans were making money to buy “stuff” a million dead Iraquis don’t have enough coin to buy dead flies from a camels scrotum.”
And, like Hitler, you’re bitter because neither one of you got any pussy.
Conspiracy theories are promoted by people who want their lives to be more exciting than they actually are. You’re more important if you’re among the few people on earth who know the “truth”. Life is more exciting if 9/11 was a conspiracy.
All of the arguments they’ve put forward are based on anomaly hunting. They stumble across a random fact that they cannot explain with their awesome power to google, so they assume it supports what they already believe while conveniently ignoring everything that doesn’t support what they already believe. Besides that, much of the evidence is anecdotal and argued with straw mans.
It’s good to be critical and skeptical of your government. We should always question the motives of the government, but you can’t do that and be credible without being critical of your own arguments as well… otherwise you’re just going along blindly with whatever conspiracy buffs tell you.
It’s funny how truthers go on and on about being critical and aware of the government, yet the only government related thing they pay attention to or know anything about is stuff related to 911. Why? Because all of the other stuff is really really boring. Go ahead ask them about governmental current affairs, you’ll get a blank stare.
Very well said, snoop
100% Snoop. Like most other mythologies (and I include religion in there as well) conspiracy theories are a reflection of the egos and prejudices of the true believers. Send a bigot out in search of empirical evidence to support their bigotries and by god, they’ll find it every time.
Give me Occam’s razor, if I want to slit my wrists. >; )
Confirmation bias will back up the conspiracy theorists every single time they find ‘evidence’ to prove they are right.
oh, did i mention the retards yet.
eh fats
“I’m with sodeypop. It’s remarkable how people feel sympathy for 3,000 dead Americans but over 1,000,000 dead Iraqis is just casualties of war and therefore allowed to be forgotten or disregarded.”
lets let them worry about their dead and we will worry about ours.
I love uneducated war mongers who are afraid of other people for no reason.
Riiiight, flying planes into buildings is ok then.
So is illegally invading smaller, weaker countries while lying about the reasons and then lying more to cover it up.
As horrific a crime as flying a passenger jet into an office building is, it doesn’t compare to being directly responsible for the deaths of over six hundred thousand innocent people, unless of course your moral calculation is based upon some simple formula like “if you’re not with us you’re against us”. George W. Bush did just that.
Another simplistic moral calculation that would allow one to equate the 3000 deaths on American soil on 9/11 with the deaths of six hundred thousand Iraqis in the decade previous when the U.S. enforced a crushing embargo on Iraq, would be to suggest that somehow those six hundred thousand innocent Iraqi citizens were, in fact, complicit in the events of 9/11. For the record, they were not, and neither was their leader, and yet, that is precisely the equation that various people in the Bush administration promoted, when they knew full well they were promoting a lie that would enable them to lead the country into war.
The U.S. has had over four thousand troops killed in combat in Iraq since they invaded in early 2003. Those with debilitating wounds that will cripple them for life number well over a hundred thousand, due to the “miracle” of modern battlefield medicine. But as tragic as that is, they ALL VOLUNTEERED. More than a hundred thousand innocent Iraqis have been killed since the U.S. invasion began, and they had absolutely no choice in the matter. They have been dismissed as “collateral damage”. Now THAT’S tragic!
All the more so when we remember that the case for invading Iraq was concocted entirely by the Bush administration. There were no WMDs and this was widely known before the invasion. After the invasion, no justification was required, for as even a ten year old child knows, you can’t “undo” a war. The forged letter purporting to show evidence that Saddam Hussein was trying to buy yellow cake (uranium) in Africa, known by experts to be a fake before the invasion, was not questioned by the American media until long after Bush had declared combat operations over.
The invasion of Iraq wasn’t a mistake from the point of view of the Bush administration. There was no “faulty intelligence”. It was planned and executed, albeit poorly, with a definite goal in mind. That goal was stated by the Project for a New American Century years before Bush came into power. It was a gratuitous act of violence inflicted on hundreds of thousands of innocent people.
The events of 9/11 were a crime committed by 19 hijackers and aided by a few dozen other extremists, all answering to Osama bin Laden and 3000 people died. As horrific as those events were for the American people, they don’t come close to equaling the pain and anguish inflicted the Iraqi people, who had no part in the events of 9/11.
Ah, what makes it illegal. Any country can invade any other country if they wish. Just who gives the ok to go to war? Now if you go to war, you have to accept the consequences.
I never heard of Japan, Germany, North Korea ever ask for permission to go to war. Now some countries may vote to go but they don’t go outside their country for permission ie France, Canada, US, etc. Where does this idea that permission from somewhere out of your country come from? If you say the UN, well we all know how well that works.
I love uneducated war mongers who are afraid of other people for no reason.
uneducated.you do know that saddam had chemical weapons right.or is that to far back for you to have learned,also you do know he used these chemical bombs on his own people in the northern town of Halabja.he killed thousands with that attack.
so we didn’t find any eh mister educated.tell me ow wise one how easy it is to make a chemical bomb and to disasseble it.
never mind this cock sucker was a sadistic fuck,which was reason enough to get rid of him, after his attack on kuwait,do you not remember ow sow that he tried to start a major conflict in the region and maybe possibly a world war by attacking isreal
get the fuck out of your bullshit left wing mags,turn CKDU off and actually read a book on history,doesn’t have to be ancient history just try to broaden your references to the 1990.i know it may be difficult and take you away from fatting your ass with your 20 cheeseburgers days,because you are an idiot.
oh by the way you retards find any actual new evidence yet on 9/11. heres a tip stupid look at where the collapse actually starts. ABOVE THE INPACT ZONE. MEANING NO CONTROLED IMPLOSION, unless you are completely fucking retarded and think that they knew exactly on what floor the plans where going to hit.
stupid stupid sow.
always wondered do you use two cairs to sit on at the computer,or do you use only one,so it rides your ass like a dildo
And if I recall properly, the US asked the Taliban to give up their good friend Obama er Osama and the Taliban refused, so they went in.
BTW Saddam and his sons fed some of the populous to the lions, literally. They were a bunch of fun-loving, good, nice guys.
Totenkopf
You might win more converts to your point of view (probably not but anyhow . . .) if you tried using reason and persuasion instead of invective and insults.
Ask a Kurd.
Totenkopf
You might win more converts to your point of view (probably not but anyhow . . .) if you tried using reason and persuasion instead of invective and insults.
you are correct and i should at times show some restraint.
Bro Tim,
You’re confused. The Taliban ran Afghanistan not Iraq.
No doubt Saddam was a very bad man and so were his sons. Are you suggesting getting rid of this very bad man serves as a suitable substitute for the fact that . . . well . . . there weren’t any WMDs in Iraq as claimed?
Maybe the American soldiers who died in Iraq would disagree, seeing as their sacrifice did absolutely “squat” as far as protecting their nation. Most Iraqis didn’t like Saddam, but they obviously don’t “love” the Americans for helpfully “liberating” them. I can imagine how the conversation might have gone:
Bush: “We’re gonna liberate you guys.”
Iraqi: “Gee thanks. When and how?”
Bush: “Well first we’re gonna shock&awe the shit outa ya.”
Iraqi: “What does this shock&awe mean?”
Bush: “We’re gonna drop a buncha bombs on yer country dimwit!”
Iraqi: “Oh.”
Bush: “An’ then we’re gonna invade and shoot shit up everywhere – basically anything that moves!”
Iraqi: “Oh.”
Bush: “Well whadya think about that, Abou?”
Iraqi: “Mr. Bush – no thank you.”
Besides, there is a long list of very bad men in the world. When do you propose to start working your way down the list?
I know the difference Saddam (Iraq) fed people to lions, Taliban (Afghanistan) hid terrorists.
Chemical weapons (gas in artillery shells) used against a race isn’t a WMD? Then what the fuck is it?
Besides, there is a long list of very bad men in the world. When do you propose to start working your way down the list?
the list has to start with someone.if support was given during somalia,rwanda would not have occured nor would have darfur.when dictators are threatened by war(the only thing they truely understand they start listening.
look at how the world changed after 9/11. the ira turns in weapons.libya stops nuclear ambitions,surrendered his research facilities and is seeking some sort of accomadation with the westiran scared shitless did nothing,north korea slid into place.for the time being.
also lets not forget saddam had 5months to rid himself of these chemical weapons(if you know even little about these bombs they are easy to assemble and disassemble with very limited traces.) also if saddam did not have these bombs why did his military have tons of protective equipment,and chemical warfare manuals.
the west has enemies as every culture does.and you watch your enemies and guage them.study them find their weaknesses.it is like this now as it always has throughout our history.
what they are learning from us is our lack of seeing things through.wait us out bleed them a little and the spoiled westerners will run home.(that is why i believe nato should form a military based on the french foreign legion.not much fuss when such soldiers die,but they get the job done)
do not kid yourself thinking it is only nato vs afghanistan or iraq.its all them countries in the middleeast,russia, china,north korea,etc. watching us,every time we lose or run away they figure out why we do.this gives them more confidence,which in turns means they will start pressuring us,this scenario generally leads to a major conflict.fighting these small scale wars and winning ensures our dominance(which is important to our way of life and survival) and prevents major conflicts such as world war 2.that is why it is important to support these wars,allow the generals to do what is necessary to destroy our enemies,completely.
because if you people actually think our enemies would allow us to live in peace if they were running things you are gravely mistaken
iran scared shitless was very quiet scared to make a peep.
i ask you this is should we have waited for him to get said weapons(which he certainly would have used).and most likely would supplied terrorist or preemptive strike which was done.tell me as bad as things are it would have been worse if we waited.
there is never any benefit to allowing your enemy to get strong.wipe them out the first chance that you get.that is the lesson that constantly comes up when i pay attention to history
here is a book that gives you an interesting perspective on the war on terror.it based on a military perspective not political.
Endgame
the blue print for victory in the war on terror
lt.general thomas mcinerney
usaf (ret)
maj.general paul vallely
us army (ret)
Totenkopf calls other people stupid but thinks “disasseble” is a real word lmao. And yet he lays awake in his bed at night wondering why girls in his church won’t sit near him. I mean, other than the smell of cat urine and bad hygiene.
“do not kid yourself thinking it is only nato vs afghanistan or iraq.its all them countries in the middleeast,russia, china,north korea,etc. watching us,every time we lose or run away they figure out why we do.this gives them more confidence,which in turns means they will start pressuring us,this scenario generally leads to a major conflict.”
YOU are one paranoid, stupid, clueless, anxiety-ridden whatever-it-was-you-called-me earlier. 🙂
Don’t get too freaked out now but I think there’s a cute, adorable bunny rabbit standing directly behind you. It’s unarmed.
BTW how many countries came to the defence of Iraq or Afghanistan. Only one I can think of is some factions in Pakistan.
How many of your buddies would join you in a full contact hockey game against the 1976 Philadelphia Flyers, Tim? It’s a losing battle.
You wouldn’t even get the Gatorade-drinking hockey dudes from Clerks to play on your side.
Probably not. But I wouldn’t take them hostage and then incinerate them on helicopters at Philly airport. And I certainly wouldn’t call it “Guerilla Theatre” either.
Ivan,
I have the impression that your world view was formed from reading Tom Clancy thrillers. I find his novels entertaining, too, but I don’t transfer his fictional plot devices out of his novels and expect them to work in the real world, which isn’t quite so black and white. I’m referring here to the U.S. invasion of Iraq, including the stated rationale at the time (not the later rationalizations) and the manner in which it was planned and executed.
Even if you accept the Bush administration’s claims at face value, and I don’t, I think they failed in accomplishing the major tasks they set out for themselves. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld disregarded the advice of his generals and so carried out the invasion with too few troops which led to them being unable to secure important infrastructure which a stable democracy would require in order to function. Cut off the electricity and municipal water supply of any major American city and see how long it is before chaos develops. The civilian policy makers in the administration completely misread the Iraqi political situation. They disbanded the Iraqi military and so contributed what some consider a major impetus to the creation of the Iraqi insurgency by putting hundreds of thousands of unemployed soldiers into the chaotic aftermath of the invasion. Early in the “rebuilding” efforts, vast amounts of money (billions) disappeared into the pockets of profiteers, both American and Iraqi, because of lax administration oversight, and so never made it to rebuilding projects many of which aren’t completed to this day.
The only real goal that Bush & Co. have come close to achieving was one that they kept out of the public discourse, that of establishing a larger U.S. presence or forward base from which to project power into the surrounding, oil-rich Gulf region. But remember? They said at the time it wasn’t about oil.
Nobody here is defending the 19 (mostly Saudi) hijackers of 9/11 infamy. That is in reality a completely different story, regardless of what some, suffering from the lingering nausea of the Bush propaganda machine, still seem to think is the truth.
Commandante – I supported the invasion of Afghanistan and still do. If the west had concentrated on it, we may have had a different outcome than what we are dealing with now, although given the nature of the country probably not. I also supported the invasion of Iraq. I bought the Bush bullshit. I scoffed at those who said invading Iraq would be a boost to the Islamofascists. I sneered at those who said it was all about oil. And from the safety of my couch and computer terminal I can clearly state that I was wrong. Cold comfort to the 4000 plus American dead and the even larger number of maimed. Is the world a better place without saddam? – sure. Is Iraq? Depends on who you ask. Is the world better off without the Taliban? Absolutely – I can search history books and not come up with socio-political movement less competent to run a nation. Unfortunately the Taliban will be a fact of life in Afghanistan for a long time to come, and it is the afghans who will suffer the most.
I do not believe that it is possible to accomodate politicized islam. I do not believe that it is possible to limit extremism when our own nominal allies (Pakistan, Saudi Arabia) are scarcely less repugnant than our sworn enemies. And I absolutely do not believe in the capacity of “the Left” (whatever that means anymore) recognize threats to our way of life, much less defend against them. I am neither a smoker nor a gun owner, yet seeing how these groups have been treated in this country , I am waiting for our “progressives” who “seek to save us from ourselves” to have that Pastor Niemoller epiphany. And even though I won’t be around to see how it all plays out, I sincerely hope that I will be proved wrong.
And despite the fact that his books have sucked harder and harder since “The Bear and the Dragon” I’m also eagerly awaiting the release of “Dead or Alive” coming this fall to a bookseller near you.
And what did the Taliban say to the Afghan civilians before the election? Oh that’s right, if you vote we will kill you, burn your houses, etc. Yep, a real friendly bunch.
“Negotiating” with people who believe that God has not merely given them the land, but also the blueprint for how it should be governed seems a bit of a fool’s errand.