I’ve always thought multiculturalism is a good idea; different cultures integrate together to add all kinds of different flavours to the Canadian culture.
What’s happening now though is people are immigrating in, setting up little enclaves, and expecting that everything to be exactly the same as their home country. We as a country, are bending over backwards to accomodate everyone under the guise of multiculturalism is god.
I say enough is enough. It’s time for unreasonable accomodations to stop. By living in this country I think you’ve agreed to follow the laws of the land. Sharia law is not going to be instituted. If you’re a cab driver, you have to pick up people’s guide dogs.
Canada is devlolving into a collection of unicultures, which is not at all the idea. Multiculturalism works two ways, and the Human Rights Board needs to recognize this and stop fucking things up in the name of “multicultralism”.
This article appears in May 8-14, 2008.
Wait till the beheadings and public stonings start in the little enclaves. I got crapped on for saying my piece last month re. similar complaints but I honestly think the Immigration Board needs to drill it into the heads of newcomers to Canada that they are coming here to live OUR way of life and leaving their old one behind.Come to think of it, many immigrants are coming here to get away from what goes on in their homelands so why the need to set themselves up to have the same politics and drama by distancing themselves from the community-at-large members who welcome them with open arms.
Under “Abuse Report” there is a “Promoting hatred” option. I’m not going to respond to any racists lest they threaten to sue the coast again, but if anyone else finds this as offensive as I do, let’s all report him. I’d say it’s warranted. Don’t feed the beast.
The sharia law debate is a volatile one. I think that the separation of church and state is the fundamental principal at work here. In many parts of the world, there is no such separation. The church IS the state. I think Pete has a valid point. The fact that Canada embraces your culture and respects your religious beliefs does not mean that you have the right to kill your daughter because she chose to engage in premarital sex.
I don’t see this as hate or racist at all Qwerty, he did not say he hated other cultures, just the melting pot is… separating, not melting. understand and read something before you call Racism, I cant stand when people use that word ALL the time. so, Pete, here here. qwerty, get your head out of your ass, I don’t see one lick of hate in Pete’s post.
Qwerty, I don’t think anyone on this thread has crossed the line yet but I am hearing what you are saying. Kit, relax, Qwerty’s head is one of the least ass-scented on the Coast.Miranda, I think you have it right here, this is an issue of separation of church and state. When in Canada, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms sets out the fundamental principles of this country, principles that I believe should not be trivialized and overturned in the name of multiculturalism. The first fundamental freedom in the charter is the freedom of conscience and religion which grants you the freedom to believe what you want and think what you want, not ACT however you want. It also does not grant you the freedom of law and justice….those are determined by the people and legislated and enforced by the governement and its agents. So, when one comes to Canada, they are free to think any way they want, not act any way they want. Especially if their actions violate the someone’s “right to life, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice”. Religious laws violate this principle when they conflict with the Canadian justice system and should not and cannot be tolerated.Further, the Charter also grants that :”Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.” I read this as meaning that EVERY Canadian is equally subject to and protected by the LAWS of Canada, regardless of religious beliefs. That means that no one has the right to abuse the legal right to personal safety and security of another Canadian, including the children of immigrants whose parents BELIEVE dressing provocatively or engaging in premarital sex is wrong….it is these same rights and freedoms that got the strap removed from classrooms and instituted laws protecting children from abusive parents. Now, I am not a laywer, and I may be misinterpreting or over interpreting these statements, but I believe my comments follow the spirit of these laws. I also want to add that I think immigration is VITAL to the success of this country and I think all Canadians have the opportunity to learn and grow from understanding and embracing immigrants. I think the vast majority of people who immigrate to Canada, from all cultures, want to be here, want to be more “Canadian” and want to become productive and meaningful contributers to our culture, communities and economy.
I agree, i didn’t take this as racist or ignorant, and i think that’s another problem we face as a multi-cultural society. people are getting a little over-sensitive and for what? so it’s better to say ‘little person’ instead of midget, better to say ‘african-nova-scotian’ than black (what if a persons roots are in south america?), better to spell ‘womyn’ insted of woman? my best friend in jr high and highschool was black, and when we hung out with certain people, they would get flustered around her any time they would casually use the words ‘ghetto’ or ‘black’ or whatever, and she was of the opinion that it is more offensive to assume something was ignorant or racist from the get-go. in her words: “you guys and your white guilt….you dont have to be offended on our part…we’re good. but thanks, if i thik something is racist, trust me, i’ll let you know”so why is it that now, on top of all of that, kids cant have fucking CHRISTMAS CONCERTS!!!!!!!!! oh, a ‘winter holiday sing-along’ that’ll be grand, considerin none of us know the songs to sing along to because they’re about puppies and mittens…..
I don’t have any problem with “holiday” concerts replacing “Christmas” concerts. My kids went to the most multicultural elementary school in the city. At the time they were there, over thirty different languages were spoken at that school. It was an incredible place for kids to learn respect and appreciation for different cultures. Songs and traditions from every culture and faith were represented in their Holiday Concert – including Christmas songs. Of course, the concert was three hours long! But nobody minded. It was great. I don’t think this kind of inclusion is what the OP is talking about.
Before Qwerty goes off on a rant about what he thinks I meant…The only real concerns I have is that when folks move to Canada to get away from struggles caused by the laws in their homeland, sharia law is an example, why would you then set yourself up in the same situation in Canada by getting involved with people who support the very same situation you were trying to escape?Could it be that some of these folks lied to the immigration officials as to the true need to flee their country? I don’t really care who moves to Canada but everyone needs to understand that Canadian laws govern this land and something like sharia law doesn’t exactly fall into legal activities when you think of stonning, beheadings or the other punishments allowed under it.
I wasn’t referring to Pete’s post, I was referring to Ex Halifuckingracistpig’s racist response, which is not the first racist response he posted here.And Miles, funny you should bring this up, but I’ve been trying a new ass-scented shampoo lately, so my head DOES smell like ass. The shine is unbeatable.
You know what qwerty you can go fuck yourself. I commented on the stuff written by the OP and in case you haven’t looked outside your little fucking paradise, the laws where some of these folks come from are the complete opposite of what is acceptable here. The OP wondered why newcomers would build “little enclaves” and pretty much go back to living the way the did in their homeland, completely fogetting about the country that welcomed them with open arms. I simply wondered why they’d go back to living in situations almost identical to those they wanted to get away by moving here. If you think thats racist then so be it, makes you look like the fucking idiot you are.
You’re just an insecure little man. I mean, successful business to businessman. I mean, convenience store clerk. Hey, maybe that’s where the problem lies! Or maybe it’s the fact that men from the middle east have bigger schlongs than you. Oh wait – I forgot. Infants have bigger schlongs than you.
And lastly Qwerty, its pretty much determined you are an over-sensitive person (female, since you mentioned working as a waitress in another post) and the kind that would probably demand that police not mention colour or race when looking someone who commits a crime. The press-release will be interesting: “HPD attempting to locate a person of no color in regards to the horrific rape and murder of ……”Get over your sensitivity issues already. Freedom of expression is a right here in Canada and at least I’m not encouraging violence or other unlawful actions.
Freedom of expression? That’s a laugh, from the guy who threatened to sue the coast over what someone was saying about you! Loser.Yeah, bang on, retard. Go through some of my posts. I don’t think I’m what you would call politically correct, and I’m pretty fucking far from sensitive.I hate racism though, and you’re racist. No matter how you color it or justify it. You have an awful, “us versus them” attitude, and as long as people like you are allowed to spew whatever garbage you wan unchallenged, multiculturalism will remain a problem.
Qwerty – you are missing something altogether while ranting. I never said one thing against multicuralism, what I commented on was that immigrants need to accept and abide by Canadian laws. The OP mentions a taxi driver not willing to let a guide dog in his car, that is against the law of the land. A Canadian would be forced to abide by laws of another country if moving there so why isn’t it expected from people moving here?And yes I threatened legal action against the Coast and it would have eventually led to the annonymous cowards, such as yourself, who think they can get away with threatening and making untrue statements without fear of consequences. I’m fully prepared to take it to the next level if need be. I’ve always been held accountable for my actions so why not expect the same from others.
OK so freedom of expression only applies to people who don’t hurt your feelings.And you’re not the only one who isn’t afraid to take it to he next level, tough guy. I’d be willing to fully fund the coast’s legal costs in a battle with someone like you, and I’d be happy to do it. Maybe it would be a good thing for someone like you to be forced to duke it out in open court; you have the same anonymity here the rest of us have.
Whatever Qwerty, you are running around in circles and I don’t have time nor interest in dealing with the likes of you. I responded to the OP’s thread and you jumped on me for no reason at all. I was letting past comments stay in the past and you are the one bringing them up again.Guess we can agree to disagree on issues.
hey qwertz… LOL re your new shampoo… Is that the new product I have seen on the 4AM infomercials??? I think its called:”gee your hair smells assy” I’m surprised your arch-nemisis the homie hasn’t chimed in to take a shot at you yet today…. Oh well its only early…
What the fuck? How did this devolve into whatever happened here?All I was saying was that the whole idea of multiculturalism is that people immigrate here and integrate their culture with the larger Canadian one. That’s two way street, and that’s what isn’t happening right now. I think it’s great to be able to experience other cultures, with the different foods, customs etc. My bitch was that currently, there is very little or no integration. People from all over the world are coming to Canada and expecting to be able to live their life exactly as they were wherever they came from. Yes, you can argue that people from Europe have an easier time because Canadian culture has European roots. But my point is, if your culture or customs don’t agree with things that are law, it’s unreasonable to expect Canada to accommodate you, instead of finding a way to live with it. The examples I gave are things that have actually happened.People praise our multicultural system vs the American melting pot, but at least people that immigrate to the US tend to identify themselves as Americans first, whereas for a lot of people, they’re Canadians as an afterthought. Long term, with the number of immigrants we have, we could become like a coalition living in the same country, as opposed to proud citizens.d
this is a good thread…… like the conversation.Oh, floyd, in case you havent noticed, i dont go to threads to badger or belittle qwerty.
Well I’ll bet she’s going to be at least a little disappointed that you came all this way,,, but didn’t bother to bring an insult….And Pete re wtf: Chill
I know, chill out Pete. Sure you posted it, but that doesn’t make you daddy of all us little bitches. Oh, and “devolve”? Really? Twice? This isn’t an episode of Criminal Minds, dude.Yeah Homes, but don’t bother telling me my hair smells like ass, because it’s supposed to.LMAO @ “gee your hair smells assy”
Pete – you hit the nail right on the head when you mention the two-way street concept. Our officials are desperate to increase the number of immigrants landing on our soil so it seems they are willing to overlook the complete lack of respect shown by some newcomers when it concerns Canadian laws. However the same tolerance wouldn’t be shown by many nations if a Canadian decided to bring his/her traditions/beliefs onto their soil, especially if it went against the laws of that land.Not sure if that makes us pushovers or if there is some other title we should be using in cases where a newcomer’s actions go against our laws. Oh yeah we already have that covered, its called a criminal offence (or civil or human rights etc, depending on the particular situation).
Actually, the wtf wasn’t angry, more of confused. I’m not sure if some comments got deleted, but I think I missed something.. it went from normal to random accusations of racism. Although I stand by my use of devolve. It’s a good word. Although degenerate or deteriorate would also have worked I guess. (What’s Criminal Minds?).Anyway ex-hali; I don’t think it’s anything to do with the immigration officials or policy, I think it’s twofold, in that for one, we become huge pussies to try and accomodate everyone so that we aren’t accused of somehow discriminating or something, and also, the Human Rights Board is completely out of control, and needs to be restructured or curtailed. When one of the guys responsible for founding it is saying it’s lost its way, there’s a problem.
Pete – I still say it would be easier if Immigration made it clear as to acceptable practices/behaviours prior to citizenship being granted that way nobody could say they didn’t know and take it through the Human Rights process which obviously has issues.If you want to become a US citizen the folks down there make damn sure you know whats expected of you when it comes to acceptable stuff and that there are penalties for straying out of those boundaries. All we need to do is stop pussy-footing around for fear of stepping on someone. And that should start with our elected members in Ottawa setting down the law in black and white for all.
” I still say it would be easier if Immigration made it clear as to acceptable practices/behaviours prior to citizenship being granted that way nobody could say they didn’t know and take it through the Human Rights process which obviously has issues”this is where most of the issue is. Becoming a Canadian you learn more about our history and shit like that, compared to the ways of the country. It really isnt forced on them at them initial immagration hearings and shit like that, that they must adhere or learn the customs and that many things of previous homelands isnt accepted here. The lack of drilling that into the heads is missing and the root of the problem. Im agree with your statement in whole.
You’re right Pete – devolve is a good word. Criminal Minds is one of those crappy crime dramas with the exact same plot from week to week, but with different culprits (easily identified by the audience because they’re the only person on the show, other than the main players, who is vaguely familiar in some way – like they’ve been in a movie or a commercial but you just can’t quite place them) and a different method of torturing and murdering women. Whenever the FBI is closing in on the killer and he becomes somehow aware that they’re about to discover his identity, the murderer inevitably panics and strays slightly from his usual routine, at which point the FBI declares “He’s devolving” and rushes out of whatever room they’re in. Then they track him down just in time, free his latest would-be victim and, depending how it relates to that week’s main player subplot, the FBI member who’s the star of that episode either kills him, talks him out of killing himself, or risks his or her life to save him.In a nutshell.
Well, I typed twice, and erased twice. This is the third time I type. I have to express my regret to see Nova Scotians act the way you all are acting here. I had some comments that i would have posted, then i thought to myself, why be like them? I’m not, nor will I ever be, as racist and degrading as most of the posters on here. Notice i mentioned most and not all, because i don’t like to generalize and i know there are bad people everywhere you go. To me, I think Halifax thinks all Muslims are bad people due to the actions of 1 man. Then again, I have great co-workers and amazing friends who are Canadian and think otherwise.
I think Pete is bang on with this bitch. Two recent scenarios come to mind.Canadian culture dictates business phone etiquette:- Speak the language of the land in your workplace (yes, the land is Canadian, French and/or English, and that’s it). Not doing so is simply rude.- Take the phone out of your ear if you wish to engage in a business transaction with another Canadian. Not doing so is simply rude. Realize most Canadian employers would fire your sorry ass for being too busy talking on the workplace phone to friends or family members on company time.Canadian doctors are to be efficient and not necessarily wealthy:- I was told by an Indian immigrant family doctor in Dartmouth he would address only one of two issues I had booked the appointment for. Both issues required only referrals to specialists but he insisted I make an appointment on another day for the second referral because, “this is how he earns a living.” The weasel expected to be paid full NSI premium for sending a dam fax!!!What’s a good Canadian to do when they’re disrespected by a guy who is more interested in speaking to his family in some strange tongue rather than finding out what you want when you’re standing in front of his convenience store counter with money in your hand? duh!What’s a good Canadian to do when an immigrant doctor spells out another reason for spiraling Canadian health care costs?There’s no Immigrating to Canada Guidebook that spells some of these things out. Perhaps there should be and it should include a section on how when you create sects/enclaves/communities of only your kind in this country you subject yourself to not only behaving in a reverse-racists capacity but you also promote racist behavior in others (ooo,,, stay away from “China Town”)To the objective people taking time to comment on this post, thank you. As for Qwerty… *sigh*
I honestly don’t think anyone has said anything even remotely racist on this thread. Sure, the customs and cultures of one’s homeland are an extremely important part of who they are. However, how can you immigrate to a foreign country and not expect to have to adopt some of their customs/ways of life???
“What’s a good Canadian to do when an immigrant doctor spells out another reason for spiraling Canadian health care costs?”are you suggesting this isnt done by our own local doctors? this is a problem exclusive to immigrants? Before you answer. Educate yourself to the point the doctor is making. The set up of Nova Scotia health care is different from that of other provinces. Actually, the payment method varies from province to province. This province has a set up that isnt favorable to general practitioners. That is if you compare it to the set ups in other provinces. Where you will notice this most, is at specialty injury clinics that arent on hospital or afflilated with hospitals. There just isnt that many here compared to a few other provinces. The demand is there, but the payment method is so bad that it isnt worth setting up shop. There was a large sports medicine injury clinic that was looking at setting up out here. That was squashed when the province told the owners of the payments and what they cover.
Coyotex, I don’t think anyone is being racist. The cultural enclaves aren’t really an issue here in Halifax with immigrants, although I did find when I moved here that there are definitely this weird white/black neighbourhood thing. If you go to Montreal, Toronto, Missisauga, Vancouver, etc, there are entire neighbourhoods where people are all from the same country of origin. That in itself isn’t a big deal, except there have been problems, esp in vancouver, where someone’s cultural practices actually are against Canadian law.That’s a HUGE issue. People are being killed. And women in this country dod have rights and freedoms, which in my mind, isn’t trumped by cultural practices, like killing them for adultery.And the the example with the cab drivers refusing to allow a guide dog into the car wasn’t trivial. In that town, half of the cab drivers where Muslim, and believed dogs were unclean, which is why they wouldn’t pick him up. So do you let religious beliefs allow discriminating against this guys disability? Especially as it’s a routine part of the job? The fact that they’re muslim is incidental.I’m all for a working functional multiculturalism. One of my favourite things about university was the diversity of people I met; I met friends from every continent from pretty much every major cultural/ religious background and a number of smaller ones. It was cool to hear about how things worked in different countries, do things like try out their foods and different cultural events, etc. That in my mind, is functioning multicultralism.What I’m talking about is what’s starting to happen, where instead of a mesh of cultures, independent, self contained cultural islands are forming in major cities ( think plaid vs solid stripes). If you’re a Canadian citizen, you should be first and foremost, Canadian. The charter of rights and freedoms was supposed to enshrine basic rights for everyone, not to be used as justification for overuling the laws of the land.One of my big fears is that the more human rights complaints are made against small things like cartoons, several things will happen; Important, actual complaints are taken less seriously in a boy-cried-wolf scenario; and also that there will be a lashback against entire groups. Annoyances can turn into resentment to outright anger pretty quick when someone is telling you that your way of life is wrong and they won’t live by it (see NSians response to from-awayers).It’s like the whole PC movement, it went from being reasonable, to overbearing and frankly ridiculous, and took basically a decade for the original intent to get set in place. That’s the last thing I want to happen with culture clashes, but I can see it happening.
Oh yeah, and Qwerty, I don’t watch much tv, so that’s news to me. Taking a perfectly good word and ruining it through overuse is a shame though ( a la paradigm, penultimate, think-outside-the-box, etc). I’m all for keeping a large vocabulary, otherwise nuances just get lost.In that spirit, from dictionary.com;cavil KAV-uhl, intransitive verb:1. To raise trivial or frivolous objections; to find fault without good reason.transitive verb:1. To raise trivial objections to.noun:1. A trivial or frivolous objection. Insiders with their own strong views, after all, tend to cavil about competing ideas and stories they consider less than comprehensive.– Laurence I. Barrett, “Dog-Bites-Dog”, Time, October 30, 1989Neat. And probably useful on this kind of forum.
Like any business the family clinic needs to respect it’s source of revenue. The patient! The end-user of the Canadian health system is the whole reason the system is there and costs subsidized and managed in whole by our tax dollars and public officials; not to create lucrative jobs for immigrating doctors and private specialty clinics. That said, I don’t expect anybody to perform a service for free.This doctor was not interested in timely nor efficient response to my medical request for which payment is guaranteed. (1) I requested a routine cancer screening for my age group that a specialist is required to perform. (2) Something strange and bothersome was growing near my eye and I required a surgical referral. Two pieces of paper faxed and placed in my patient file should allow this doctor to charge for two full appointments?When I pointed out how unreasonable he was being by refusing to send the fax until I’ve taken more time off work to suit his hours, paid bridge toll, paid for gas there and back, etc. and come for a separate appointment… so he can fax the dam paper, he replied in a most thick Indian accent, “you go to work, make money? I do the same!”Just like I cannot say all white Canadians get off the dam phone when you approach their convenience store counter I cannot say only immigrant doctors withhold treatment in favor of lining their pockets… but I’d be willing to gamble a high percentage quickly learned how to manipulate their patients so they can double dip the system.Let’s call Inside Edition and find out. I’ll bet they contrast the story with an unusually high proportion of convenience store owners winning lotto.
kay, your answers are so racially motivated and bias, i am not going to get into it….but read back in threads about call center workers, look at the threads about cashiers and the way they work, if you think for a second this is a problem exclusive to immigrant doctors, then you are an idiot. If you think they came here to defraud the system, you are an idiot, if you think they are defrauding the system any quicker than our native canadian doctors, then you are an idiot. your post shows nothing but a biased, factually unfounded chunk of stereotyping. You are a bigger part of the problem here, than the problem itself.
and i hate to be the one to say this Kay, but when my pancreas or spleen is ready to hit the floor, i could give a fuck of the reasoning of why he came to this country or the location the doctor was born. I just want my parts fixed up.
Like I said, what’s a good Canadian (in favor of multiculturalism) to do?I knew this would set you off, Homie. I’m not racist. I wasn’t raised that way and just because you’re black you’re not special in this country either. These are personal observations and real personal experiences I’m drawing from, not stereotypes as you suggest. My opinions are founded upon on true facts whether you like that or not.And you’d better hope you don’t go to that doctor’s clinic with both spleen and pancreas in hand, Homie, because fixing one today and the other next week is financially better for this particular doctor… and you’ll notice I noted he’s running a family practice, not serving in the ER.
Immigrants come here because they learn of a system that serves them better than that in their own country. They come to use and live within that system. A lot of them come from abusive societies that teach them, in turn, to be abusive. When they’re faced with an ‘honour’ system they just don’t know what to make of that until they learn it can be manipulated to serve greed. Granted, anybody can fall into this way of thinking but again, ‘an unusually large number of lotto wins at convenience stores’ leaves the good Canadian with a rotten taste in the mouth.
Kay, ALL doctors in Nova Scotia can only bill for one chief complaint per visit. This particular doctor you are talking about is not unique. I have encountered 3 different non-immigrant doctors that insist on the same thing. Your doctor’s attitude is a off-putting, but it has nothing to do with ethnicity. That’s rediculous to assume. I know a lot of Nova Scotians are used to saving up their ailments and trying to get everything looked at all at once. If you are lucky enough to find a doctor who will address all your concerns in one visit, you should be aware that they can only bill you for one complaint and are doing you a favor.
At my doctor’s office if you have more than one issue to deal with, you say so when you make the appointment so that they can allow sufficient time for your problems. Instead of booking someone 15 minutes after me, they book 30 minutes after. I don’t know if my doctor bills for to separate appointments when this happens, but I could care less if he does. I’d rather my appointment be on time. Next time, Kay, make it known you have more than one issue when making the appointment, if this office can’t accomodate you, than that is just ridiculous. To expect you to make two trips on separate days is craziness.
Miles, you back up my point and yes, Lori, I stated my reasons for making the appointment when I made it. The weasel expected to be paid full NSI premium for sending a one-page fax!!! His billing was his priority. Medical efficiency and patient satisfaction were exchanged for a future revenue opportunity for the doctor at the expense of taxpayers. Booking that second appointment cost everybody unnecessary expense so the doctor could profit. Our health care system was built on principals of effectiveness and efficiency, neither of which was observed by the doctor.How much should YOU be paid to send a fax to a local number and should taxpayers be charged high premium to do so? Canada Post charges $1 to send a one page fax. The doctor charged taxpayers for a full appointment, no doubt, more than $1, to send a fax. If he hadn’t stated plainly (well, sorta, quite a fresh accent) I was being deferred so he could profit off the system the experience wouldn’t be relevant.
” My opinions are founded upon on true facts whether you like that or not”your one example is an observation, anything you say that relates to that i can accept as fact. The rest of that shit, “i wonder how quick they ….”, and the garbage you posted with that, wasnt fact. That is your assumption. I fail to have ever seen a single report that connects doctor fraud to immigration. Your assumption on wanting to see the numbers, that isnt fact
And your lotto wins, that example has no bearing on ethnicity. If you knew what you were talking about, most of them occurred in rural areas. Convience stores least likely to be owned and operated by immigrants. However, the need for more revenue or a quick fix out there, makes them easier to target by the suspected mastermind of the operations. You also state facts? Well, what kind of assumption is it that the corner stores involved in the scandals, are ones owner by immigrants? Or are you privy to more of these “facts”. “but I’d be willing to gamble a high percentage quickly learned how to manipulate their patients so they can double dip the system.”Not a fact”Let’s call Inside Edition and find out. I’ll bet they contrast the story with an unusually high proportion of convenience store owners winning lotto.”Not a fact. In fact this is a direct inference to you not having the facts and that you think there is correlation between the two.
It sounds like you just have a really crappy doctor, regardless of ethnicity. The Doctors NS website has a list of doctors who are currently accepting new patients, and there are quite a few in HRM. You might want to consider trying to find one who you feel might better suit your needs.
I am not a racist. I am a good Canadian wisely afraid to go into certain neighborhoods in my own country. I agree with the OP.Homie, I am entitled to an opinion based on my own education (facts) and experience (also facts). No amount of whining from you will change what I’ve observed in this country. If stats Canada did a study and learned only 20% of convenience stores are run by immigrants it wouldn’t matter. I wouldn’t believe the report because, as an average Canadian, this is all I see! I’ve lived in several major cities and even more small towns in our country so I’m drawing conclusions from quite a wide sample. You’d have me walk around blind and repeat propaganda like a parrot and be politically correct. Well fuck you and welcome to Canada, man, where you’re allowed to notice what’s really going on and even encouraged to talk about it in public. Get off my case, Homie.
kay, i see why the others crucify you here. You came to say “facts” when you actually posted observances. You dont know if the stores you visited were owned by any ethnicity. They could have merely been immigrant employes and the scandals could have been pulled off by the owners. I am not even going to entertain such a stupid inference as this country is over 5000km wide, and has over 15k corner stores. If you think you are going to tell me that you even stopped at 1/3 of the stores in this country, im going to tell you that you are the biggest peice of shit liar alive. So your little biased nonsense speil isnt worth being called some sorta fact. Hey, if you want to post that as an opinion, cool. Make sure you do it as such, as clearly your stereotyping (corner stores are owned by immigrants and ripping off the lottery, immigrant doctors are scammers), shows that no matter how much logic is tossed at you, you are already set in your racial motivated thoughts.
Homie, some people are worth the time. Kay isn’t one of them. TRUST me, it’s much more fun to mock her than to try and reason with her; she gives us so much material. She’s a delight.
This is not stereotypical thinking, this is reality. Admit it.A stereotype is “a conventional, formulaic, and oversimplified conception, opinion, or image.” If the conclusions I draw are really stereotypical opinions then my actual experience is hardly relevant. In this case, however, I’m drawing on a broad range of personal experience to draw a conclusion. Call it whatever you want. I’m good Canadian in favor of multiculturalism but am not blind, as the OP is not blind, to reality.So glad to live in a country where freedom of speech is a human right. As for getting crucified by the likes of you, Qwerty and others… this is good entertainment, man! hahaha You’re all so very small minded and predictable.
isnt small minded assuming that a majority immigrant doctors are scam artists? Isnt small minded assuming that lottery scams are being pulled off by immigrant corner store owners? I at least wait for proof. That is using an open mind. THere hasnt been a study or many charges of immigrant doctors, not enough to have made headlines….. or is this some cover up conspiracy? There hasnt been any charges made, nor store charged with these frauds, so please, if you have any proof of these all wide statements…… share with us, so we can not be so small minded.Qwerty, i have no clue how you let this paticular one be left in my hands, but wow, this is a peice of work, that you all call KAY
I’m curious Kay, do you have these problems with the German or Polish or other European immigrants to Canada, or just the ones with different coloured skin?Try drawing on other people’s experience, which may be more extensive than yours, when making conclusions about a certain race or culture. Unless they are all deluded and you are the only one who is right? Most people who tote these lofly politically correct ideals are doing so based on their experiences and are trying to respond to ignorant comments like yours. I wish you would stop caling yourself a “good Canadian”. It’s insulting to good Canadians.
Wow, this thread is becoming more offensive than ever. I can’t believe Kay’s statements, nor can i believe how certain people on here actually somewhat justify his statements. I’m an immigrant, and to be honest with you, your system that you speak of, “Immigrants come here because they learn of a system that serves them better than that in their own country. They come to use and live within that system. A lot of them come from abusive societies that teach them, in turn, to be abusive. When they’re faced with an ‘honour’ system they just don’t know what to make of that until they learn it can be manipulated to serve greed” is a terrible system, it’s based on thievery and extortion. How can you call it honorable if you can’t really keep anything to your name? All these taxes and extortion and you call that “honorable”? in some other so labeled “third world counties” by Canadians, taxes are illegal, and they still find a way to provide free health care and medicine. Stop making bias opinions and racist remarks without proper research!
Kay is from South Mountain, Coyotex, don’t pay any attention to her.
Coyotex – I’m not defending the comments on this thread, but I would like to know, just for argument’s sake, why you came here, and subsequently stayed, if it’s a terrible system.
hell, i even tried to agree with her so that i could justify some of these thoughts to see if there is legitamcy to her side of the coin. Each time i did, i felt stupid and racist.
Wish all you want, Myles. I’m an average Canadian more tolerant and understanding than most so that makes me a good one. Denying reality when it’s happening right in front of your face, now that’s a problem.My problem is consistent with the OP. I know to stay away from certain sections of cities and towns lest my white skin or English ‘accent’ be noticed making me a target.Who cares what color your skin is? Pull the phone out of your ear and speak English in the workplace and who would know or care that you’re an immigrant? And if you’re a doctor, carry out your profession with your oath in mind and not your bank account.Small minded would be believing in a stereotype without first hand experience nor education to justify your position. I browse these sites simply to learn and share with greater minds but there are so few to be found here. People on this site seem more concerned about the illusion of importance hitting the submit button gives them than about learning anything from anybody. It seems the moment somebody shows assertiveness or casts a heartfelt opinion they are ripped to shreds (nope, not just me).Homie, I guess Hell’s a pretty cool place today, huh? Qwerty has never done anything but annoy you with her name calling, limited vocabulary and predictable tiny bit of gray matter between her ears that’s only enough to suit her career choice as waitress. Your position is fickle, assumed only to annoy… as usual.I still think the OP has made a very valid point.
I don’t know which is the more obnoxious today, kay or coyotex… One trying to insist that they’re not a bigot and the other is convinced that everyone else is…Each of you is worse than the other…
Kay is my name, Homie What’s yours, chicken? Too afraid to say it the way it is with your real name on the post, aren’t you?WTF is South Mountain, yourmom? Some kind of secret (and ineffective) Haligonian insult? I’m calling you out here… Homie, Qwerty, yourmom… go to town. Like I said, great entertainment!And Floyd… where does Pete, the OP, stand in your assessment?
Floyd, I’m gonna go with kay. I’ve given up on even reading her offensive know it all posts. She makes even Homie seem like a gem. Kay: get away the boards today and treat yourself to an afternoon with your vibrator. You deserve it girl!
Kay, the more you write the less “tolerant and understanding” you appear. It seems as though your view of immigrants is shaped by a lot of shitty experiences and a very limited understanding of the different cultures you are complaining about. Every example you have cited could easily contain a Nova Scotian rather than an immigrant. And for the record, I think the OP has a point too, but apparently for very different reasons than you Kay. Immigrants who don’t make the effort to adjust to Canadian culture hurts both Canada and the immigrant. While it is natural and understandable that immigrants form communities of like-minded and like-cultured people when the move here, some effort needs to be made to adapt to the cultural norms of Canada. This usually happens with the children of immigrants who are usually benefit Canada most because they can help bridge the cultural divide between their parents and their new homeland. The “enclave” (community) problem the OP was talking about is valid, but not at the crisis point he suggests. The types of problems presented in the OP (not taking dogs in cabs, beating daughters for premarital sex) are in the vast minority and represent only a miniscule fraction of the immigrant population with fundamentalist views. And I will point out that we have a lot of white fundamentalists with equally radical religous/cultural views too. If Canadians want to speed up the integration rate, perhaps we should be promoting/subsidizing language and culture classes for new immigrants. And the average Kay “good Canadian” could try to be a little more understanding and forgiving of cultural differences and try being more welcoming and inclusive, rather than avoid certain neighbourhoods because your skin colour makes you a target.
Jesus Kay, I don’t even no where to start to disagree with you.Miles, I realize it’s a small minority of new immigrants in the examples I cited. What I was getting at was mostly that the system allows for things like that. I guess what pisses me off is that a small portion can file a complaint representing a whole group, and there aren’t more people speaking up saying that doesn’t represent them. Kind of the equivalent of white folks standing up to skinheads.I don’t know, just generally frustrating because I have no real solution.
Pete, there was an activist named Dudley George in Toronto, He “spoke” as a black activist. As a black person, i can tell you that lots of the problem, are the activists themselves. I would never want a fool like Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson speak for me. These people treat everything like it is crime on them, like society owes them something.I stand by my point and say this OP, doesnt just deal with immagrants, we have our own people from here that are just as bad with the traditions of this country. Ok Kay, there is a chance you arent going to feel safe in North Preston, but i hate to inform you, those arent immagrants and likley have longer standing roots to this area than you.
Some good points throughout this thread Homie… Right on the money…
Can i go back to being hated after this thread floyd? I am sorta tickled right now:P
I thought Dudley George was the guy that got killed at Ipperwash?And yeah, there are people that speak out against the activists.Mostly I wandered off my original point was that the system itself was broken. For the record, I’m for immigration, I just think how it’s run right now is broken. I still don’t understand why there was some outcry over giving preference to people with specific skills. We need more people in all kinds of trades, where there is this ridiculous highbrow disdain for going to college vs uni right now.And you’re right Homie, it’s not just immigrants that are the problem, I remember regularly ridiculing a friend in high school that would say he’s italian when he was born here and had never even been to Italy.I am wondering though what sort of effect it would have to get rid of dual citizenship? The States (and other countries) do this, which may make people commit to being an active citizen. Just throwing it out there.
sorry, my bad, wrong dudley……. dudley laws was the guy i meant. But yes, it isnt immagration that is the issue, as you are right “italians” born here are canadians, but if they wanna play “mofiosso”, they become “real italians” then