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Why in the fuck should the public continue to house and feed unrepentent murderers and child molesters for decades? Give them the mercy they gave their victims. Fuck the seal cull, let’s have a scum cull instead. I’d take a front row seat.
This article appears in Apr 10-16, 2008.
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This is so clearly a case of comment trolling (along the lines of “Ship the Blacks back to Africa” or “Homosexuals should be sterilized”) that the most effective and erudite response is to completely ignore it.
Andre-Ann:The OP was not debating whether the rightfully convicted were unrepentant. He was parameterizing his argument around ‘unrepentant’ murderers and child molesters. The repentant ones, fine, let’s try to rehabilitate them…provided of course that they aren’t just repentant because they got caught. And granted, David Milgaard is an excellent example of what could go wrong with capital punishment.On the other side of the coin though are unrepentant sick fucks like Paul Bernardo and Charles Manson. They either have been or will be locked up for a very long time at the tax-payers’ expense and both are unrepentant wastes of oxygen. Frankly I think those two examples, and many like them, should fall into the ‘scum cull’.
Hey don’t forget the unrepentant fucks that get out early and get book deals…ie.KARLA HOMOLKA. How can you let someone out of jail early when they are guilty of luring a member of their own family into the clutches of the “abusive, controlling killer” that she claimed to be under the control of? bullshit smells like bullshit because it is bullshit and our justice system stinks a little too much like it.
Are you fucking kidding me?!?!?! There have been several instances where people have been wrongfully convicted of murders in this country — should we have the wrongfully convicted being killed for other people’s actions? Why don’t we ask David Milgaard if he thinks bringing back capital punishment is a good idea? And how can you say that those that are rightfully convicted are unrepentant? Have you talked with all of them?? Smarten up or go back to Texas!
Matt, you think Milgaard is the only case? There have been so many others that have been wrongfully convicted. What I am saying is that our judicial system isn’t always accurate and until we can be sure that the right people will hang for the crimes committed, then we would be making a huge mistake bringing back capital punishment.There are costs to be paid to live in a just society — get over it. If you want to live in a place that convicts and kills its people, go to China. They have approximately a 90% conviction rate and a large portion of those convicted die because of it. What a great way to save money!And if we brought back capital punishment, you would find a lot more “repentant” people. I acknowledge that some people are completely psychotic, but not everyone is.
China is a fascist country where the military runs and controls the people. Yeah, great comparison to Canada. Get the Canadian military to control the country… “They have one of the lowest crime rates per capita in the entire world. We have one of the highest in the country.” First of all, when you say we have one of the highest in the country and we are in Nova Scotia, you are wrong. Nunavut was the leader in 2006 at 6.5 per 100,000, with Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Alberta, and BC following. Nova Scotia is 6th among the provinces. Source: http://www40.statcan.ca/cgi-bin/getcans/sorth.cgi?lan=eng&dtype=fina&filename=legal12b.htm&sortact=1&sortf=6And second, you are talking about a national crime rate with China and then you skip to crime rates within Canada. Not exactly logical flow… And to show you how many wrongful convictions there are:”Since 1973, 128 people in 26 states have been released from death row with evidence of their innocence. The most recent is Glen Chapman (No. 128) of North Carolina, on April 2, 2008.” Source: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=412 You can go there and check out all 128… while these people were not executed, they still spent a great deal of time in jail and many were pardoned only days before they were supposed to be executed…Oh, and here’s some proof that the death penalty is not exactly cost effective:” – $2 million in legal fees to try a death penalty case, nearly 4 times higher than comparable murder trials.- The automatic appeal process costs up to $700,000 in legal fees.- $1.2 million in execution costs.- 1973 -1998, Florida spent $57 million on 18 executions.”And this proves that the death penalty does not deter crime:”The two states with the most executions in 2003, Texas 24, and Oklahoma 14, saw increases in their murder rates from 2002 to 2003. Both states had murder rates above the national average in 2003: Texas – 6.4, and Oklahoma – 5.9. The top 13 states in terms of murder rates were all death penalty states. The murder rate of the death penalty states increased from 2002, while the rate in non-death penalty states decreased.”Source for both: http://www.karisable.com/crpundeath.htm
Pardoned days before they were scheduled to be executed eh? Good to see that the waiting period in the US is doing its job of giving the innocent plenty of time to appeal. Much better that putting a bullet in their head as soon as the guilty verdict is given.
Wrongful convictions pale in comparision to the wrongfully murdered. This is a Spock quote or something but it makes sense; “the needs of the many out way the needs of the few”. The death row appeal process should be shortened to 30 – 90 days. Then lets see how many gun deaths are in Toronto and how many stabbings there are here, not to mention the rest of the country. The number of repeat offenders would certainly drop.
Maybe instead of killing criminals we should try to eliminate the crimes or the root causes of these crimes. That would be a far better use of taxpayer dollars…investing in schools, infrastructure, jobs etc. It may not get rid of crime completly but it could keep it managable.
Some experts have written that the death penalty is not a deterrent, but I figure it’s hard to back that up with hard data.On the other hand, other experts have pointed out that death-row inmates are a huge drain on public funds, because of the years — sometimes a decade or more — of appeals they go through after they’re sentenced. It’s been suggested that it’s actually cheaper to put a convicted murderer (for example) away for life without parole, than it is to put him on death row and let him wind his way through the lengthy appeals process.Is immediate execution, as the OP seems to be suggesting, a viable alternative to a lengthy and costly death-row incarceration? And is there something in the middle of these two alternatives?
Well, most people who would go ahead and kill someone probably aren’t thinking they will get caught or really don’t care. I think that is why it is not a deterrent. Now if you assigned the death penalty to traffic violations, it might deter speeding…but I think since it is only used on the most violent of crimes committed by the most violent of criminals, it is not going to be effective as a deterrent.There is also a lot more to this issue than just how to better use taxpayer dollars…it is state-sanctioned killing we are talking about. Right now we authorize soldiers and police officers to exercise lethal force, but should we include the executioner in this mix as well? It’s been said before, but I agree with the notion that you can really judge a society by how it treats it’s poor and it’s criminals. How will we be judged if we start executing our criminals?Finally, US prisons are overflowing with violent criminals and they have a death penalty. It is clearly not a deterrent nor an effective means of saving money on housing criminals…unless you kill ’em fast and kill ’em for little stuff.