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If you’re the kind of human garbage who has loud, obnoxious and painfully sexist conversation with your bud about HIS DAUGHTER, in full earshot of the woman sitting at the bar by herself: know that *you* are the reason why 50 percent of the population feel uncomfortable and unsafe occupying public spaces alone.
Join the 21st century, dipshit. —Good Luck Getting Laid
This article appears in Feb 25 – Mar 2, 2016.
The problem I have is that you have exaggerated your claims. I’d be willing to bet that while the conversation was inappropriate for public consumption, it didn’t happen in the way you have described. Worse is exaggerating the claim that 50% of the population feels uncomfortable and unsafe in public.
You see, when you make exaggerated claims, we see someone desperately trying to make a point but lying to do so. Any credibility you hold and of the event are immediately tossed away.
Yes, you encountered some knob who said something you didn’t like but that’s the end of the story.
So, you’re okay with sexism Charlie?
Did I say that? No. My point is that people who want to change how others act will not do so by exaggeration or false statements. In fact, it does the opposite, casting doubt on the credibility of the issue. Make sense now?
“you have exaggerated your claims… I’d be willing to bet it didn’t happen…” 1. You weren’t there so why are you willing to bet? 2. The claim is two men were talking sexually about one of their daughters within earshot of a single woman – that’s a very succinct and specific report not an exaggerated claim. “50% of the population” is a figure of speech(trope) called metonymy which is used, in this context, to mean ‘women’.
Mary dear, you can bet on sports games without being there.
I didn’t say the conversation was appropriate.
The claim is exaggerated.
My comments stand whether you or Oceanchick like it.
Why would Charlie let the word of a woman who actually had the experience herself get in the way of his world view that women over react and boys-will-be-boys? I mean, are we just supposed to take women at their WORD?! Kudos to Charlie for not letting the real world intrude on his fantasy one.
Dear sweet Charlie. Your analogy is inaccurate. You have massive amounts of information available to you when you bet on a sports game. What are you relying on to bet in this instance? Your comments stand only in the sense that you made them and they are here to read. They don’t stand in any logical sense and you are correct I don’t like them.
And the Trolling of Charlie Brown begins…
Hahaha getting called out on bullshit doesn’t mean you are getting trolled, Charlie.
Charlie I am genuinely curious – are you assuming that the story is exaggerated for a reason? You still haven’t supported your claim in any way. Is it because you don’t believe this sort of thing happens in real life? Or are you trying to discredit a woman’s experience simply because you’re uncomfortable with her expressing anger and dehumanization over it? Please enlighten me.
Just did a quick Google for studies on how safe/comfortable people feel in public, results here:
http://www.stopstreetharassment.org/wp-con…
Based on this (admittedly small) study group, it looks like only 4 – 7% of female-identifying people responded that they felt “very safe” in public. Unfortunately, no data on men.
Based on your claims, Charlie, I’m wondering which study you have referenced to conclude the original poster’s claim was exaggerated. I would hate to think that you are just speaking on a gut feeling, because, you see, when you make exaggerated claims, we see someone desperately trying to make a point but lying to do so. Any credibility you hold and of the event are immediately tossed away.
Wait – I stand behind what I said therefore no bullshit, errors or exaggerations were made by me. My points are knowingly being taken out of context, therefore I see that as trolling.
mercuresque, yes I am indeed stating it is being purposefully exaggerated. I do not believe this happened as reported, no. I am not uncomfortable with anyone stating their experience but I do take exception to exaggeration and bullshit, especially when it’s used to further an issue – be it that of women or in my case, gay men.
Ladies, I appreciate you do not like that I am challenging the bitch but if you take a step back and remove your blinders, you may be able to see things my way.
And the trolling continues…
You know, you make a GREAT POINT, dear Charlie – something along the lines of “he who smelt it, dealt it” as far as I can tell. I am swayed. I now also think that this woman has fully lied when she said this happened “in full earshot of a woman at the bar by herself.” WHAT KIND OF MONSTER WOULD EXAGGERATE LIKE THAT?! Thank you for having the bravery to stand up to this kind of malice.
Okay, last troll, Charlie: what’s your source?
Charlie, you still have completely failed to answer my (and maybe everyone’s) question about WHY you don’t believe that this happened.
If you consider that a troll, you’re literally making up new definitions to words that already exist.
Peeb: I refer to no source so your question is incoherent.
I stated the reason why in my initial comment merc. Read it again?
A troll – in this case – is a person (not a comment) who twists your words because they disagree with your position.
OHHHH right you guys I forgot about that clause where gay men are immune from being misogynistic 🙃🙃🙃 our experiences are identical remember???? 🙃🙃🙃
bitch? Okay I’m out of this convo. GFY Charlie
There is nothing even resembling a reason in your initial comment. If you refuse to name a reason or a source for your assumption that the poster’s story is inaccurate, all one can do is speculate that maybe you think women make this kind of shit up because we’re crazy/evil/hysterical.
I’m explaining this to you so you can better understand that which you call “your words being twisted”, here.
“Worse is exaggerating the claim that 50% of the population feels uncomfortable and unsafe in public.” These are your words. I have since posted a link to a study that seems to corroborate what the original poster said. That is apparently not good enough, so I am wondering what source you have that corroborates your accusation that she is “exaggerating the claim.”
I very much appreciate you taking the time to explain what a troll is.
Mary: I was referring to the post, not the poster. The post is called a bitch, ergo Love The Way We “Bitch”.
You may go, just don’t go away angry.
Then on what grounds can you say she is exaggerating her claim?
Peeb: see my reply to Merq at 5:27pm.
♪♫ Trollin’, trollin’, trollin’… Rawhide!
Let the Good Times Troll🎶
🎵🎵Troll over Beethoven
Anyone else notice how this LTWWB bitch got hijacked so it could be all about someone who was not even at the bar?
Since when did men (especially those not present at this bar) get to decide what does or does not make a woman feel uncomfortable?
Hahaha, oh Charlie, you are precious.
You can point back to your original comment till you’re blue in the face, you have still NOWHERE IN THIS THREAD GIVEN A REASON FOR WHY YOU DON’T BELIEVE THIS HAPPENED.
Also, suggesting that someone’s “emotions have gotten the better of them” when they ask for clarification as politely and patiently as possible does nothing for your credibility here. It only continues to make you look like you don’t believe women are capable of rational argument or action. And you couldn’t possibly want to give that impression, could you, Charlie? A reasonable, down to earth guy like you?
I look forward to all the creative ways you will tie “trolling” into your response.
OC: I didn’t say women should feel uncomfortable. Re-read what I wrote.
Thank you merc, my Mother thought so as well. She has passed on so I would thank you not to troll her.
Returning back to my original comment: NOWHERE IN THIS THREAD did I say that I DON’T BELIEVE THIS HAPPENED; re-read my post. And what’s with ALL CAPS? Is that your way of yelling? Why are you yelling?
Oh, I asked if emotions had gotten in the way as I am confused by the repeated skewing of my words and the ensuing confusion. I am not looking to create any credibility let alone seek approval for my opinions. In no way do I believe that women are incapable of rational argument or action.
Lovable, reasonable and down-to-earth, I have no worries about any impressions that I make of myself. I am not ashamed of who I am, how I look, what I do or say, what I think, etc. I have a differing opinion, that’s all.
Like how I used another creative way I worked “troll” into my response?
If your opinion is based in no fact, then it really isn’t an opinion, is it? More of a baseless assumption, no? I simply ask that you admit this, as it’s fairly self-evident.
I’m going to repeat myself one last time, using *your* word choices, so you can take comfort in being quoted accurately and literally:
At no point have you provided a reason for why you believe the poster “exaggerated [her] claims” or why the story “didn’t happen in the way [she] described.”
Unless you plan on showing your work in your next response, I’m outta here, comfortable in the knowledge that you’re full of it. You’ve brought exactly nothing to the table and I’m bored of having a non-discussion.
You didn’t comment on my clever use of the word “troll” in the last post. Did you miss it?
Charlie-
What about the OB’s post is purposefully exaggerated?
Why would you bet that the conversation didn’t happen the way the OB has described?
I’ve read through this thread and I see you’ve claimed to have explained why you believe this, but I don’t actually see any kind of explanation.
I know you claim that your words are being twisted, but that’s not what I see here. I see:
1) A woman posts a bitch about overhearing an inappropriate and sexist conversation in a bar. She is alone, and feels uncomfortable being alone in the presence of the people having the inappropriate convo. She is angry, and compares her experience to the wider experience of women. Yes, all women.
2) You post a reply, stating that she has exaggerated and that you “bet” it didn’t happen that way.
3) Women on this board are incredulous, and ask you to state the reasons why you would think these things.
4) You cannot, without attempting to explain the vague feeling of unease and defensiveness that you have inside whenever you hear women talk about the problems that they face because they are women. So instead, you claim your words are being skewed and accuse everyone of trolling.
Also, people disagreeing with you on the internet is not “trolling”.
Sorry, back to you question: Yes, it is an opinion. See this definition:
o·pin·ion: a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge (https://www.google.ca/#q=define+opinion)
Again, in my first post, I have clearly stated the reason for my opinion.
I have no idea what you mean by my “work” and I don’t understand why you chose to engage me further in this discussion in the first place. It’s clear you don’t understand but I can’t make myself any clearer than I have.
If you must leave, please do so; but don’t leave angry. Learn and grow as a person from this experience.
Looks like you just got pwned, Charlie. Watching you back-peddle with your tail between your legs just made my day. Thank you ladies.
GC: I have no “…vague feeling[s] of unease and defensiveness that you have inside whenever [I] hear women talk about the problems that they face because they are women.” This is an assumption you are making about me.
I feel the repeated demands for explanations and the false assertions made by some of the other commenters is indeed trolling.
And if you disagree, please don’t ask for “sources” (hehehe). Sorry… couldn’t resist 😊
Whatever, there isn’t enough information in this bitch to even decipher the context of what was said, let alone what was actually said. All we know is there were two guys talking about one or the other’s daughter, and the conversation was perceived to be sexist by a woman bystander. This does not mean the conversation was sexist at all, just that she perceived it to be so. Just because a woman makes a accusation doesn’t mean that the statement shouldn’t be questioned, period. Women lie and exaggerate all the time, just go to family court sometime and watch the tears and bullshit fly! OC and Merc are running around like they have the inside scoop they got from their women’s intuition or some shit. Fuck, ladies, relax! Nobody’s stealing your power.
I would have to say that her tag line sets women back 25 years. Seriously? “Good luck getting laid”? What’s that even supposed to mean? In her eyes, women are only good for one thing? Do women still believe their pussies are some sort of prize for good behavior? Please don’t speak for me, OB, this butch has some pretty broad shoulders. Big enough to carry you from the 80’s right into early 2016, where women are worth more than you obviously think they are. Peace, Sista!
should be “an accusation”, and “bitch” not “butch”.
Thank you Poprah! I was going to say something similar but was too tired. My first thought when I read this was “what kind of man lets another person say this about his daughter? sick.” Then I read more carefully and noticed that it didn’t say the comments were sexual in nature rather that they were ‘painfully sexist’. But there’s no mention of what was said, no context. I don’t mean to imply that sexist things are not said at times (both intentionally and without realizing it) or that when it happens people shouldn’t be called out on it. But there are also times when people attach this label in places it doesn’t belong. I can also see, based on this thread, that we can’t expect to have this conversation in a reasonable way here, so this will be it from me.
Also, people tend to be loud and obnoxious at bars — one reason I rarely go to them. It doesn’t make me feel unsafe, just annoyed.
I wouldn’t touch this bitch with a ten foot Charlie.
OP, woman being people is not breaking news. Although I can understand why you may think it is, given what the cable news stations deem as “breaking news”.