While it should be obvious to any intelligent, rational person, it bears pointing out to those grimly pacing up and down in front of the VG Hospital in opposition to abortion, that it is via the same freedom of choice by which a woman makes the difficult decision to terminate a pregnancy, that they are allowed to do so completely unfettered.
I asked these pious souls to explain the logic of using their freedom of choice to protest another’s use of the same legal right this morning on my way home from work. All I got for that was a few blank stares.
Way to make a horribly upsetting choice all the more painful, you misguided fools. —Booer
This article appears in Sep 30 – Oct 6, 2010.
someone beat ya to it booer, but i agree
Most public protest is invariably about ego. Seldom about morality and almost never about “rights”
Dimwit. They’re not protesting “freedom of choice”. They’re protesting (in their minds) murder. Two unrelated subjects.
Your argument is invalid.
What would the unborn say about THEIR rights I wonder, if they were allowed to speak on their own behalf?
they can’t speak on their own behalf, it has nothing to do about being allowed… what a silly & offensive question.
Yes, I believe they are rivaling the Pro-Life group, because obviously the hospital does so this type of surgery-So frankly their protest is unnecessary, as they are able to choose.
“I asked these pious souls to explain the logic of using their freedom of choice to protest another’s use of the same legal right this morning on my way home from work.” – Good for you, OP, I am glad that you spoke your mind. I support you.
Oh nevermind, I said “in opposition to abortion”. It’s right in the post. Read it again.
In protesting against abortion (a freely chosen option for the person getting one) I said they (the protestors) were, as a sadly ironic consequence, indirectly “protest(ing) another’s USE of the same legal right (which is, to freely choose)” that they are exercising when they, having FREELY CHOSEN to do so, ASSEMBLED to protest against abortion.
Dimwit, huh?
Oceanchick, I really believe that a woman has the right to decide what goes into and comes out of her body. I also believe that up to a certain point (in gestation), a fetus has no rights because it’s not yet a person. Late term abortions I don’t support, except in cases where the pregnancy threatens the life of the patient.
Booer, if the woman made better choices about taking things in her body in the first place, perhaps killing an innocent wouldn’t need to be an option.
ya know i love ya sis, it disgusts me when women think abortion is some form of birth control…but i defend their right to get one xo
In Russia, the number one form of birth control is abortion. It’s not uncommon to see a woman in her 20s who’s had multiple multiple abortions.
your terms like “killing the innocent” makes me wretch…the only words that these so called “pro life” understand only seems to alienate them from a normal logical human being.They use these terms to frame a message that you must do it our way or else….you are bad ,they are good…morals cant be protested,only given
Oceanchick, “if” is a pretty big word. It often oversimplifies things as well.
Once, many years ago myself and an ex got pregnant thanks to a faulty condom. We weren’t ready to be parents and she, after many many sleepless nights decided that she wasn’t prepared to see the pregnancy to term. I was behind her either way. We didn’t take every necessary precaution and we payed the price (emotionally). In the end she made the right choice for herself. I have a strong belief, but no proof, that the majority of unwanted pregnancies come about through similar circumstances as our story.
Until someone has experienced the difficult choice of abortion firsthand, they are unqualified to say a thing.
The anti-abortion douchebags are feuled by a religious belief, therefore there is no arguement that will sway their minds. They are stuck believing what they believe because thats what they always believed. Religion is not in the business of changing their minds, that would mean they were wrong… and you can’t do that because that shows weakness, and there is no money in being wrong or weak. Same with those groups that are against euthanasia, but that is a whole different bitch. Making everones choices for them… thats why religion has no place in government or law making.
If a woman is using abortion as a form of birth control and therefore has several abortions, I fully support her in continuing to do so. She’s obviously not good parent material if she’s not got the brains to come up with a different form of birth control.
I am pro choice but it is NOT true that all anti-abortionists are fueled by religion. What an ignorant thing to say
“if the woman made better choices about taking things in her body in the first place, perhaps killing an innocent wouldn’t need to be an option.”
What a sexist, puritanical load of crap! What “better choice” might that be, OL? Abstinence? Because that’s the only surefire way not to get pregnant that I know of. Mistakes happen, birth control fails, people get raped, etc, etc, etc. Besides, consent to sex does not imply consent to pregnancy, anymore than consent to swimming implies consent to drown.
Sex is not a contract for pregnancy, and the way to prevent women from having unexpected or unwanted pregnancies is not to punish them by forcing them to carry to term. Research has proven that abortion rates remain just the same in countries where abortion is illegal as those where it it’s legal. The only difference is the amount of women dying for no justifiable reason.
If all the anti-choice do-gooders put their energy towards better sex education they might actually see a reduction in the numbers of abortions that happen, but the absurd thing is, most of those protesting abortions are the same fanatics who protest sex ed in schools and don’t think young people should have access to birth control.
Oceanlady, the fact that you are an educated, and seemingly otherwise compassionate woman, who has convinced herself that women’s lives and rights are somehow up for debate is truly disheartening to me. While you are fully entitled to hold your own beliefs, the choice is not yours to make for others, nor hopefully ever will be, and I sincerely hope that you take the time to think about this issue a little more clearly before you feel the need to condemn those who choose to think and act contrary to your own personal morality.
I’m addressing both bitches here, and I’ll be general in my opinions (which are like hemorrhoids, lots of assholes have them).
Excluding men from the argument – kidney stones hurt more than birth, – from a woman.
I have been directly affected by “the abortion issue”, fuck you.
No woman should have to carry her rapist child.
If a mothers’ health is at risk, she should be able to choose, that’s a no brainer.
Abortion as birth control, I don’t think so.
But that’s just my opinion.
I have faced that decision Booer, in similar circumstances. So have other people I know. It’s not easy to be in that position. Of the women I know who opted for abortion, they are all quite aware that they have terminated the life of another human being. Their son or daughter. It is a decision that will be with them for the rest of their lives.
Wow me0w, you sure do have a whole lot of great big opinions there, don’t you.
Play wth those knives much?
… well if you’re anti abortion then don’t make the choice to have an abortion. This seems like a pretty simple issue (or I’m just and idiot … which is probably true). You don’t want to abort, then don’t. Keep your baby to term, no one is telling you not to. I disagree with abortion being used as birth control 100%, but I would like to have the option to choose. I would not want that taken away from me.
No BRoc. it’s not an ignorant thing to say. Where do you think the idea that abortion is wrong come from? You are ignorant, and don’t have a clue what your are talking about. Maybe you can also explain to me why it is against the Roman Catholic religion to use any form of birth control…
PS, Fuck religion and all it stands for!!!!! That might be ignorant, but it’s my opinion.
I sure do, Hugo. You see, those knives are actually like a metaphor for my opinions. For instance, there’s a lot of em, they’re usually pretty sharp, and I have a habit of whipping them out all the time, even in polite company, much to the chagrin of others…..of course, I’ve also passed many an evening sitting alone in a dark corner with them, grinning gleefully….and if someone gets all up in my grill, I got no problems cuttin a bitch, knowhaddumsayin? 🙂
Are you a writer or something or some form? Meow
This one subject I don’t touch because A : I’m a man and B: cause it’s a non-starter
I don’t see how aborting an embryo is killing an innocent. It’s not like you’re playing war with your body. Fuck the anti-abortionists. Whatever a pregnant woman decides to do with her body is HER fucking choice and right and nobody else’s fucking business (except the father).
These moral arguments need to just stop. It’s not a baby. It’s not a living being. It’s not breathing. It has no rights. The MOTHER has rights.
Great post, Booer. Wish I were there to see/hear it. While I agree with the right to protest and share your beliefs, nobody has the right to force them unto others and the anti-abortionists tend to do that. Their signs featuring graphic photos and chilling words do more to hinder their cause than it does to help.
A writer of overly-long comments on internet forums and endearing letters to my grandma and that’s about it, Donkey.
Even though they’re long (at times), I find your comments easy to read. I was just a wonderin’.
Well, I’m glad I make for an easy read. I’m an opinionated bitch, so I’ve always considered it useful to be able to string sentences together reasonably well. I’m also an avid devourer of the written word, so that probably helps too.
I suspected you were a reader! It definitely shows. Keep ’em coming, I’ll read it, lol.
I wonder how the anti abortionists help the people who exist who haven’t had abortions. Are they helping them get enough food, enough rest, enough money to finish their studies, work?, pay for a good babysitter,offer free babysitting, doing any or all the housework, …try that angle and see if mary hails? I think less people would choose this if their society could promise to help them be a good mother without poverty, or shame.
Oceanchick haunts us with this decision will be with the people who chose abortion for the rest of their lives…Would it be true to say if you an unwanted child it would be with you for the rest of your life? Inneresting…
Also Hugo, assuming your male. Based on your very appropriate ‘Fuck you’ comment, its not your body in which the 9 month gestation period occurs. I understand you may have been a third party to this situation. And a factor to ‘the choice’ however it is still not your choice to make.
I do not haunt. The decision to terminate a life haunts. You bring up an interesting point ashleyqt. Once conceived, there is a life that needs responsibility taken for it. No getting away from that, unless an unwanted pregnancy suffers a natural miscarriage. There will be two possible outcomes for that conceived human lifeform within the power of the mother. She can chose to terminate that being’s life or she can choose to bring it to term and give it life. Either way, responsibility for a decision must be taken. It depends on the woman if she can live with opting to terminate her own child’s life. Some think thay can live with that option, because it seems like a quick solution, but they find out it has lifelong consequences. Sometimes quicker isn’t better. But hindsight is 20/20.
“Way to make a horribly upsetting choice all the more painful, you misguided fools”
If by chance you truly don’t understand their logic, the answer was in your last line. Pro-Life/Anti-Choice people feel that the “choice” is horribly upsetting because the ACTION is horribly upsetting. They think their presence may change the mind of someone who isn’t sure they are doing the right thing, and who may come to greatly regret it later. Some women do, some women don’t. But if they are truly upset by seeing a row or “fools” at the hospital, perhaps they DO need another careful round of thought and consideration. After all, women who are confident in their rights and the legitimacy of abortion are not about to pay any mind to fools.
I’ve read that the idea that women who have had an abortion have some kind of trauma (or are haunted) is a complete myth made up by anti-abortionists.
I read about a study done on teenage girls, a group of whom who had gotten pregnant and had an abortion, a group who got pregnant and had the baby, and a group who had never gotten pregnant in their teen years. Turns out the group who had had abortions were much better adjusted and happier in life than those who had gone through with the pregnancies, and, surprisingly enough, even more so than the girls who had never gotten pregnant.
Also, why are people so bloody scared about abortion being used as birth control? That’s another fucking myth tossed out there by anti-abortionists because you can’t have pro-choice people going about appearing they support abortion as birth control, that’d be seriously politically incorrect! It’s a ridiculous fucking argument and suggestion. Besides, as I pointed out, any woman who does choose to use abortion as birth control cannot be a stellar candidate to be a parent.
Finally, I don’t understand the anti-abortionists view that women who get pregnant have to deal with the consequences of sex. Since fucking when was a child a ‘consequence’ and a punishment for having sex? I certainly don’t view children and having children as a punishment and am disgusted, fucking disgusted, with anyone who implies that they are.
I am all about pro-choice. People have there own reasons on why they do what they do.
I came across this song on you-tube and thought I’d share
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgio2Iw-4MQ
Great Song
We might as well make signs that read “REDUCE OUR RIGHTS”.
Pro-choice means you may choose to or not to abort.
Both parties win, except for those who think that the lives of others are their business.
Abortion as a form of birth control… this is one of the most idiotic things I’ve ever heard. And it always comes from people who say they’re ‘pro-choice, BUT…’. There are no buts. You either acknowledge that women have the right to abortion, or not. If you’re pro-choice you don’t get to choose how many abortions a woman can have.
Are these pro-life protestors signing up to adopt the children these women are going to abort? No they are not. So screw them. Haul out the Hoover.
Meow…well said. And in your defence you never said having a child is punishment…you said making a woman who does not wish to be pregnant carry full term as punishment. Children are a pure reward…if you choose to have one. I agree fully, that it is a woman’s decision…..and a really hard one.
I have always wanted to walk through one of these protests and ask people if they have any adopted children. Its all fine and dandy to protest abortion but other then holding up a sign and spewing verbal garbage what else have they done for their cause ?
Cangook, I do agree with you that if the rally outside the VG results in people reconsidering they should have taken more time to make the decision.
I honestly believe the protest is more about guilt. Fortunately, I have faith that people are smarter than basing a huge life altering decision on guilt pushed upon them by complete strangers. These protesters aren’t simply asking you to reconsider. Its an aggressive tactic to a decision that should never be swayed by a stranger. Pro-Choice all the way.
Isn’t it funny how people who think they have the maturity to perform the act don’t always have the maturity required to take responsibility for the predictable outcome? (NPI)
Having an abortion IS taking responsibility. It is people like you, however, who would like to take the responsibility away of choice away from women, at least, of course, until they’ve given birth, at which point they’re on their own again.
Immature people decide to have sex based on the fact that “everyone else is doing it”…peer pressure….they truly believe that this “boy” likes them…..they’re afraid to say no…..they are drunk and under age…..they are not thinking about what they are getting into…..they’re not mature enough to make this decision. And what about rape victims? What about broken condom situations, failed birth control pill? What about someone being just too damn afraid to be a mother…someone who thought that they were in love with Mr. Right who turned out to be Mr just wanted to get in your pants….or Mr I have no idea when I’m going to grow the fuck up. Life is not in black and white and neither is this subject or any woman who has had to make this difficult decision.
Exactly, Real Chick.
I support the right to choose.
It is her body to do with as she chooses.
I’m getting a mole removed off my ass, anyone want to protest that?
No Walter.
Walter. How long has that mole been there? It might have a vested interest on the property that it’s been squating on:)
Every mole a wanted mole.
It’s not just about a woman’s maturity level. There are other factors, economic situation winning out over maturity every day.
Would you like to see these unwanted children living in poverty all their lives because the woman was mature enough to have sex therefore mature enough to be a parent?
You’re still viewing children as a punishment, Oceanchick, which makes me believe you are a child-hating individual. Children aren’t a punishment.
Finally, there’s a direct correlation between the time that abortion was made legal again (yes, again – it was perfectly legal until the mid 1800s) in the early 1970s and the crime rates in America dropping in the mid 1990s. Poor women who had abortions did not create poor young men who turned to crime to support themselves.
that’s very funny sonofabitch…i agree with you pav except the third paragraph. fuck off
Every mole is sacred.
Every blemish has pride.
Every carbuncle is welcome
Upon your buttock hide.
Every mole is sacred.
Every mole is great.
If a mole is denigrated,
Cindy Crawford gets quite irate.
Okay – that’s it. I’m off to beddies while I still have some friends left.
Screeee!
I’m totally pro-abortion! Though adoption can always be an option too, but the reality is there are way too many little shit kids out there as it is already anyways. Should I stop wacking off since it essentially kills a bunch of potential babies every time I do it, too? Sometimes, if I’m lucky, someone even eats those potential babies for me. Wow, what a sicko I am.
I also think the guy should have a say in it too, though… maybe not 50-50, but let’s say 25-75 or something like that. Women seemingly can do whatever they want nowadays, such as blackmailing and entrapping a man with a kid he doesn’t want nor expect. You may say “well wrap it up, then!” but plenty of women lie about being on the pill, don’t get their cycles right and says it’s OK to spunk in them when it’s not, and plus, condoms are just a real pain in the ass. Total mood-killers and usually so tight they cut off the circulation and destroy the woody. Hopefully this new birth control pill for men they’re talking about doesn’t cost too much or have any significant side-affects.
I completely 100% agree with you Booer. I also almost completely agree with you Q… I think it should be more like 40-60.
Most people who get an abortion DO NOT come to that decision lightly. I can’t imagine people who just have unsafe sex and figure abortion will be the thing to do on the likely chance they do get pregnant. I think it’s ignorant for people to assume they have any say with whether or not a woman and the potential father choose abortion. Oceanchick, I’m actually really surprised that you would have such a mentality.
A lot of times the women who get pregnant have taken all precautions, or at least one form of precaution. Whether it be a condom or birth control. Those methods unfortunately fail sometimes.
Maybe that woman cannot afford to raise a child properly or give them what they need and deserve to live a happy, healthy life. So then people say “well there’s always adoption”. Did you ever think that maybe those same people who can’t afford to raise a child, can’t afford to do what’s necessary to have a healthy pregnancy? What about if they just can’t afford to eat healthy, take all the prenatel vitamins and do not have the luxury of getting maternity leave with pay just in order to have the baby and recupperate?
Unless you were put in this situation, you have absolutely NO RIGHT to judge. Those picketers should be ashamed of themselves putting women who are most likely upset over what they’re doing, into more agony.
I would actually love to go down and talk to them. Are they always there?
Hey Q, off topic but as to your condom hatred, I was once frustrated with the damn things too but then I discovered Trojan Magnums. You’d have to be 8 inches or more for them to be so tight you’d lose your wood (if you are well, congrats). Anyway, the damn things just allow you stay “there” iykwim, AND they go right to the root. They still stink like a novelty balloon, like all condoms. Why can’t they make a condom that doesn’t smell like a Goodyear?
I see them there quite a bit, even on the weekends.
Thanks Brendon195… I think I’ll be making a trip down there to have a look this weekend.
Can I come? I like messing around with hard-line protesters.
you can come… but I’m not going to be mean or anything, I just want a legit reason from these people why they feel they’re entitled to bully people who chose something they don’t always agree with.
I’m not mean to them either but I’ll bug them with my annoying sense of humour.
My favourite one is the Jesus-freak who often uses the soap-box to stand on while talking on Spring Garden. He asks the audience questions and if it’s not what he likes he laughs at the people. If you get it right, he tosses fake, plastic coins at you. He once stated, “We humans only die because we sin!”
When I said I never lied in my lifetime he asked if if I knew what ‘self righteous’ meant and I replied with, “standing on a soap box telling people they’re wrong because I simply don’t like what I hear?”
What time do we go? Can we smoke too?
it would be SO worth it to go see fat bitch em out and smoke in their face…..
LOL NGF. That dud yells in my ear all the time when I’m at the cross walk in front of CIBC on SG.
Q…no offence but your whole bitch made my stomach turn. I can’t imaging there’s too many ladies trying to entrap you dude…sorry.
pro-abortion???
Hey Q, I found your spokesperson…
perhaps you’ll change your view to pro-choice once you notice how insane pro-abortion is.
http://www.infowars.com/pro-abortion-advoc…
and if it were 51-49, they still have all the say… you can’t have 49% of a kid.
if it’s not 50/50, it’s a dictatorship decision.
“Pro-choice individuals often do not consider themselves “pro-abortion” because they consider abortion an issue of bodily autonomy, and find forced abortion to be as legally indefensible as the outlawing of abortion.”
-the wise words of wiki
LMAO, Real Chick. My thoughts exactly.
this may be taking it too far, but i have and idea for a comedy sketch or short film about someone being pro-abortion. It would be done in like a hobo with a shotgun: doesn’t matter if you don’t want to abort you’re going to anyway kind of thing. definitely black comedy…
but the idea of being pro-abortion IS so ridiculous it’s weirdly funny if your wired a certain way. not that i don’t think pro-abortionists exist – there’s all manner of weirdos around, some more harmful than others – but the term ‘pro-abortion’ brings to mind some whack job that thinks every pregnancy should end before it bears fruit.
(most) people who are pro-choice are actually just pro choice – even if it’s not one they’d likely make – not anti-life or pro-abortion. just like pro-lifers, as said previously, are pro-birth, or anti-choice – they don’t seem to care too much what happens to the child after it takes it first breath. in fact once it does it often becomes something else for conservatives to scorn . forcing OR denying things such as abortion, amniocentesis, cesarean section, breast feeding, pre-natal testing, sterilization, or anything else – whether reproductive in nature or not – is the problem.
people freak the fuck out if either a) they feel pushed/harassed into medical treatment (flu shot anyone?) or b) are denied access to treatments or drugs they deem necessary (once again, flu shot anyone?). how can it be so unbelievable or unjust that many women and men want the ability to decide what their body does, and what it experiences? it only makes sense that for women that would extend to their reproductive rights.
religion has done everything it can to make sex, the body and all it’s enjoyments sinful. but it isn’t, sex is great, or can be anyway. it shouldn’t weighted down by the enormous guilt complex catholicism and pretty much every other religion have left us with. one of the possibilities of sexual activity happens to be pregnancy… calling that a consequence is on it’s own an interesting indication of the cultural disdain we have for sexual activity – especially that of unmarried, sexually open folk. sexual activity for the marrieds out there becomes about reproduction (or at least it’s supposed to). and then pregnancy becomes something to hope, and strive for – just don’t enjoy trying too much. no wonder so many sexual activities and practices are taboo, they’d likely try to outlaw it out-right if it wasn’t necessary to the future of human life… 🙂
i often wonder if abortion would even be an issue if men did the baking. or if tampons and birth control would be as expensive, impractical, potentially harmful and inaccessible…
but i digress, i stared talking about my pro-abortion skit… i just don’t know what i should call it, seems like this might be just the place to get suggestions. 🙂
i’ll start – chime in if you’re so inclined…
-the terminator (i know, i know)
-abortionland
-baby a-go-go?
-the attack of the belly buster(s)
-abort or die, dude
-the baby-taker
-coat hanger hunter
-bloody betty/nurse betty
-the twilight sleeper
-the babyrippers
-Nobody’s baby
that’s all for now… a lot, i know but while a few are okay none of them really grab me… or hit the nail on the head. so, thoughts…?
here’s a group of women who take a a boat to countries that don’t allow abortions pick the women up who want the service and take them into international waters to provide it in order to avoid their native countries prosecution. there’ a lot of interesting related information on the site too: http://www.womenonwaves.org/
I’m probably too late to make a point with my post, but then again I’m always too late for everything. I think I missed an era. I’m pro-choice always!!
I had an abortion. It was the 70s and almost every girl I knew in high school got pregnant, except one. Yup.. it was just moment past the free-love era. We had to ask our parents for permission to go on birth-control and condoms were behind the counter.
I’m not fucked up because I had an abortion. It’s legal. It was then too. Are those picketers going to change anything??? NO! Fuck you guys cuz you’re fuckin assholes!! Seriously, what do you hope to achieve?? Your graphic photos of fetuses doesn’t stop anyone from doing what they’re by law allowed to do.
Those two rights aren’t really analogous and you haven’t really given me any reason to think that they are. You’ve merely made an assertion. Assertions are, by definition, not “logical.”
By now your antennae are probably up. “Holy shit! A little Christian ‘theo-con’ brown shirt!” You’re wrong. I actually support something like the current abortion regime. I don’t feel very good about it, but I probably wouldn’t have sex with someone unless I was fairly certain she would have an abortion if she became pregnant. I’ve also been an atheist more or less since birth. I’d just like you to stop fucking up this cause by putting forward poorly conceived points and being so goddamn smug about it.