I dont get this. Here in the Halifax, people defend the hell out of this city and say the nicest people exist here. The minute anyone says a negative word or makes a comparison, people turn snarky and say things like, “well go back there then” or they insult cities to the west.
If you are supposed to be such nice people, then what is with the insulting of those that have a different opinion of this place, or telling people to go home? Hardly the actions of those that claim to be such a nice friendly part of the population.
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in general, people here are nice. but find me people anywhere who smile in the face of being told their city is boring/backwards whatever. and the go away response? generally happens when people seem to have NOTHING good to say about this place. if you hate it so muhc, maybe it would be better for you to find someplace where you’d be happier. personally that seems a very nice thing to me; complete strangers caring enough about your personal happiness to suggest a move that would increase your bliss 😉
There’s a big difference between being nice and being a doormat……
It’s kinda like walking into someone’s home and sayin “fuck that’s an ugly chair/sofa/carpet/etc.” People tend to get offensive when you insult their place or things no matter how “nice and friendly” they may be when you walk in the door.
plus if you come in with a knot of maritime distance on your face, what do you expect? people here are nice if you’re nice to them.
take a look at the people in other threads that said “there is nothing to do here”you get the regs of this site telling them to go back home, or “this isnt toronto, so fuck you”
no, you get the regs telling YOU that homie. and it’s got nothing to do with you, just the pretentious holier than thou attitude you bring to the table (as well as your appalling grammer). This ISN’T Toronto. appreicate it for what it is, and not in that backhanded ‘you guys are so backwards but I love ya for it’ way so many people, not just you, have.
do you have something against toronto? You seem to suggest that anyone not from here is from there. Are you anti maple leafs?If you could read hedgy, i have never suggested that this place change.
Wherever you go, there you are. If you’re bored, it’s probably because you are B-O-R-I-N-G. If that insults you, then the playing field has been levelled.
homie, honest to god: if you complain (oo I’m sorry ‘point out problems and way we could change’) that GENERALLy can be assumed to mean you’d like said change to happen, or siad complaints to be resolved. that’s just sort of how it works here in sane-land. and no, i don’t have naything against toronto. I actually like toronto. but I like it for different reasons then I like halifax. and I realize both areas have problems, but they also have benefits- it’s a trade off. do I constantly compare the two, finding fault becuase one is missing out on something the other has? no, because that woudl be futile.
“do I constantly compare the two, finding fault becuase one is missing out on something the other has? no, because that woudl be futile.”isnt that what i do? the differance is that you are focused on telling those that they are wrong….. and example is how someone says there isnt multiculturalism here. I know there are things other than maritime shit. It just makes no sense arguing that there is more here…. others might be accustomed to more than is here. They make the points, and you fight to the death they are wrong.that thread was an example.I never once said there wasnt multicultural things, yet you have accused me of wanting things convienient for me, or that shit should move.
I’m anti-maple leafs! They fucking SUCK!
agreed, the leafs do suck. Amazing a team that has such rich tradition cant hire the right guys to make them even competitive.
“This place is great – where I come from, you can get anything, but here, it’s charming how you all don’t have much at all!””I love this city, everyone here is so backwards!”And people wonder why their glazed-over insults are seen through. “Thanks for dinner, I love peasant food!” isn’t exactly going to get you a 2nd invitation.
homie…I meant direct comparisons. I don’t go ‘well in Toronto we have this, why don’t we have it here? clearly Halifax sucks.’other people do.and isn’t that the point of a bitch board? someone bitches about how boring it is here, other people point out all the things to do…someone bitches about how bad landlords are, people can disagree. whatever. that’s sort of the point.and it’s NOT what you do. what you do is sound off on things, refusing to actually have an opinoon or a side (which is the whole point,a gain, of this site). there will ALWAYS be someone who disagrees. that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t disagree. there will ALWAYS be someone who is used to a different thing or more or whatever. people disagree when they take that to mean there is NOTHIGN going on here brecause we don’t ahve some of the things in the same way they are used to. what exactly do you want here? what sort of perfect bitch board are you envisioning? somewhere were people post a bitch, and no one replies as there’s no point as hey, people are always going to be used to different things and that makes whatever complain totally valid and any arguments to the contrary totally moot? or someplace where the only comments have to be backed up with statistics? tell me oh lord high homie, what the hell do you want????????
the same could be asked of someone that constantly comes to have a differing opinion with nearly all OPs. (general statement) with me, the ignorance around here about factual things is brutal. Much like you all bury poor kay for her factually incorrect shit, many of you are way off base but arent about to be corrected or called because you are part of some little “i like the way you post” posse. now do not think that means that i am sticking up for kay, i just dont see the need to dispute shit with her, you all go a great job of that.
Homie I have backed you up in many other threads when I thought people were ganging up on you for saying perfectly reasonable things.But, come on man, you have to know that it is disingenuous to point out everything that is wrong (oops not “wrong”, I mean “could be improved”) with the city and the festivals and the people in it and then pull this sweet and innocent act saying “ohhhhh I’m just pointing things out, I’m not criticizing, and oooooohhhh I’m not suggesting that any of it should actually change. I really don’t have an opinion on the matter, but I think it’s all incredibly stupidly done and bound to fail, but I would never be so presumptuous as to suggest it should change.”Everything you’ve said in these threads is ridden with value judgments. You say the restaurants are too centralized but the festivals aren’t centralized enough, nothing is advertised well enough so people can’t find it, etc. etc. and you pull out your examples of how much bigger and better things are elsewhere.And to be frank I think many of these things are pretty much true. Really can’t totally disagree with you on many of them.But then you deny that any of it is negative or judgmental and you pretend you don’t understand why it makes some people defensive. Frankly, it’s a little weird. You say something, you most definitely do imply a value judgment in it, and then you deny that you ever said it or that it meant what it obviously meant. Why bother?Like “Halifax isn’t progressive but I didn’t say that was a bad thing.” Everyone knows that the conventional wisdom is that “progressive is good” and “not progressive is bad” -it is very plainly a culturally accepted norm. Everyone knows that. Pretending one doesn’t know that don’t makes one a bullshitter.Why don’t you just say that Halifax is small and white and kinda boring and pretty much sucks, and then stick with it? I think people would at least respect you then.
it’s an opinion board homie, o-pin-ion. and yeah, actually, even within this little clique you speak of (isn’t it funny how the only people who bring that up are bitching about it? I was a newb not so long ago and broke through just fine….), peopel disagree. I’ve been flamed, and I’ve been disagreed with, pretty much everyone here has. it’s not some sort of mutual adoration society, it’s an opinion board. you have a tendancy to throw aroudn the word ‘fact’ as much as kay throws around the word ‘right’. these are both subjective terms- what is a fact? how do we know it’s a fact? who gets to decide what is correct fact and waht isn’t? if you saved it for specific times you wouldn’t have robbed it of it’s punch. and yes yes I’m sure you’re scurrying for a dictionary right now to quote me websters definition of fact- what I’m saying here is that this is an opinion board. opinions are based more on people’s experiences and beliefs than on cold hard facts, although the best ones have room for that sort of thing as well. if this was a 100 per cent fact-fest, where would the fun be? where would the room for debate and discussion be?
*stands up and cheers for jammie*wow I’ve been trying to say that all day but I just couldn’t get it out so succinctly, choking as I am on homie-bile (he tastes a little sour).I bow down to your logic, eloquence, and troll handling ability. I think we should save that post and whip it out next time he pulls his shit.I agree 100 per cent- homie, you’re not always wrong. you’ve got stuff to say and you can usually be counted on to at least stir the pot a bit. but we’d all respect you more if you weren’t full of such fuckery.
“You say the restaurants are too centralized”no, i have pointed out they are centralized. I dont care if people in cole harbor cant get some greek food. I can just see how they could make this statement. “You say something, you most definitely do imply a value judgment in it, and then you deny that you ever said it or that it meant what it obviously meant. Why bother?”because when you see people jumpin all over someone that says one thing, its like they cant be bothered to see the others point of view. Like i pointed out, one could have a hard time getting something in cole harbor, the others seem to want to say something like “if you cant get that there, too bad”. Like what is that? Personally, i could give two shit about it, but to tell them too bad….. take for example in previous thread, jennie said” its your choice to move to dartmouth…….” that is obvious, however to discount a statement that has no opinion in it, like “it is a bit of a travel for me to get food of greek origin because there isnt any greek places near me” is far from complaining.
i dont discount people’s opinions. Matter of fact, i rarely discuss them. Its like agruing what is good music. However when someone states something that isnt correct, or someone is being slammed for an opinion based on err, why not correct it?
“Why don’t you just say that Halifax is small and white and kinda boring and pretty much sucks, and then stick with it? I think people would at least respect you then.”because what is boring to me, isnt to others. What excites them, might not excite me. Boring is completely subjective.
Kay throws around lots of other words too…….but not Cunt…..never Cunt!
If you couldn’t give two shits, and don’t like to discuss people’s opinions WHY ARE YOU HERE? that is the WHOLE point here!and people disagree- the next obvious step is to continue the debate. it doesn’t have to end, it usually doesn’t, and it doesn’t need you to be it’s champion shutting us all down because we don’t see (or at least visually see as yous eem to want us to- we do generally see people’s sides, and then disagree. that’s aprt of disagreeing. having to listen to other people.) others sides as verbosly as you. why make statements at all if you don’t care or don’t agree or if that’s not your stance? you have to know that on this board, expressing something is going to come off as your stance.and as jammie said- it’s not really your content that gets people. if you waded through that other thread, there was the potential for an interesting discussion on how events could be staged. but you bog it down with your noncommital garbage, your waffling and accusations, your ‘this is an opinion but goodness it’s not MINE but I will defend their right to have it even though no one else is around actually expressing that opinion but me and how dare you disagree you bad bab posters?’ wide eyed innocent schtick.
Homie when you say “just try getting that shit delivered” (not exact words but close), it does come of as nearly so neutral as you seem to think. And I question whether you are really so innocent of this fact as you seem to want us to believe.”just try getting that shit delivered” or “way the fuck out there” is NOT the same as “it is a bit of a travel for me to get food of greek origin because there isnt any greek places near me”The difference, as another poster pointed out, was in tone. While the latter can be read as a passive observation, the former cannot.
notice hedgy, i have asked you to show where i said that i complained. You have put words in my mouth on many occasions. Given me credit for thoughts i never had. and jammie. “good luck getting shit out there” would suggest that there isnt anything near by. If you want to think that it means that there should be, that is on you. If you assume that is what it means rather than take what is said at face value, i cant be held responsible for that.
“and jammie. “good luck getting shit out there” would suggest that there isnt anything near by.”Yes, but it also suggests that it pisses you off that there isn’t anything nearby. Otherwise you would have phrased it differently.
OMG homie! you acn’t be held responsible? COP OUT COP OUT COP OUT.now look you’ve gotten me all worked up, and frankly you’re just not worth it.you did complain. you never said ‘this is my complaint’. but you listed possible complaints. with your nic at the bottom. that implies they are yours. then, when called ont hat, you said you were just listing facts. and that if we infer, as is the societal norm as jammie put it, that a list of negative facts and possible complaints, backed up oh so nicely with facts about other places and statistics, equals a complaint, well then, I guess that’s all on us, isn’t it?reach way back. I believe what you should feel is a backbone. grab a hold and stick by your opinions so we can alls top debating you on how you express yourself and actually talk about what you’re saying.
it suggests that it pisses me off? Wow, you seem to see a lot more in the words than is there. I never said it makes me mad or even bothers me. It actually suggests that you arent likely to be able to order it out there. Amazing how you can make an inference like that.
if i should have to get a backbone….. you should have to admit that you are doing plenty of assuming what i mean. Apparently when i type something, you have an actual meaning of what i am saying.
Ok Homie, are you really saying you can’t see a difference in tone between:”way the fuck out there”and”it’s a bit far away”or “good luck getting that shit out there”and “you can get that out there”You HONESTLY think there is no difference in those statements? They mean EXACTLY the same thing to you?
The type of language and the tone will lead others to interpret what you are saying. It is part of human communication. There is more meaning to a sentence than thus the individual words in the sentence.”Good luck getting shit out there” comes off as sarcastic and caustic and maybe even bitter. It absolutely comes off as complaining, and it certainly implies that the person saying it wants “shit to get out here.”It does not come off as merely a neutral, objective observation meant only to illuminate. Really, seriously, honestly I just don’t believe that ANYONE would take it that way.And I don’t think you do either. Anyway, I’m not going to participate in the Homie-bashing but thought I would offer an observation as to perhaps why people respond to you the way they do. I guess you don’t get it so I’ll drop it.
it’s word choice homie. it’s the way you express yourself. face it, 80 per cent of communications is NOT the literal meaning of precisly what we say. it’s everything else.so stop batting your eyelashes innocently before you blind yourself, and just either attempt to write in a more neutral fashion (although why you’d bother as that would be very very boring to read) or just admit that yes, you have value judgements attached tow hat you say, and defend them. we’re not saying you can’t have that opinion, in fact I’m sure more than af ew people will agree with you, but you actually have to have an opinion for that to happen, instead of these half-assed things you keep pulling.
funny that i have to speak differently on the net as i would in real life. I understand what you are getting at jammie. It just amazes me that people that have seen how i post here can assume one thing, when i have made it clear MANY times, that it is another. I have stated UMMMMMMMMM a billion times exactly what i meant by “good luck getting it out there” meant. I explained OVER and over, now they seem to be fixated on it. Its total jokes in truth. I explained, they refuse to accept what i said. Its like they want an apology, i clarified it….. this hedgy is still hung up on it.
and i chose those words hedgy, then i explained that is wasnt meant as complaining, you are still going on about it…. fixated much?
Homie you are boring. I’m not going to engage you any more.
It’s the first impressions thing. When the original statement comes off as sarcastic or even caustic, as well as being surrounded by a hlf dozen other statements that people are also going to be quite likely to read as negative, you’re gonna have a hard time explaining your way out of it. It’s just easier to avoid the hole in the first place than to try to climb out of it.In person people would see you laugh and smile while you said it and there’d be no harm no foul. On the net, that sort of thing is harder to communicate.
I agree. homie, you are a bore, and a boar. It’s not one statement, it’s your entire innocent-ethos. You make the mess for yourself than want to blame others- this is one of the final stages of the homie-cycle, in which you tell eveyrone else they’re fixated on you.you enjoy this waaay to much. so go pickle your internet gherkin somewhere else, cause I just don’t care. wasn’t the end of you the last time because people just stopped responding to your fuckery? that’s where I’m going.
hypocrisy?there is hedgy doing the exact same things she said she doesnt do… the name calling. Jennie, it was you that was quick to engage me, so you ignoring me, is of no consequence to me. Do as you wish.jammie – look at the previous thread, first impressions had nothing to do with it, look at the choronology of how the conversation occured.
lalala can’t hear you…lalalalaand ps- it takes me a while to get to name calling. it’s not my first response. but sometimes petty and childish pouting behavior requires a petty and childish response.and hence: RRRRRSSSSPPPPPPBEERRRYY.
You guys are idiot assholes. Every last one of you. Fuck you ALL.
thanks for that glowing contribution to a discussion that’s long been moved on from Kay. really. you rock.
Drug store must have been closed – kay wasn’t able to get her meds.
you know, she might not hate us all so much if she actually contributed to the discussion from time to time….instead of lurking, then bursting out with crazy, then retreating back to lurking again….