The city and province have signed a deal for financing for the proposed convention centre, Infrastructure minister Bill Estabrooks and mayor Peter Kelly announced today. The short of the agreement: the city completely backed down on two negotiating points, and nearly completely backed down on a third.

As a result, the city faces potentially unlimited risk for funding continued convention centre operations, faces a potential $12 million to purchase the existing convention centre and has agreed to a confusing property tax formula that reduces city revenues from standard property tax assessments on commercial properties.

The new deal is still dependent upon $56 $47 million in federal funding; although the federal government has been asked for the money, there’s yet to be any response.

Operating risks

Presently, operation costs of the existing convention centre are ultimately a provincial responsibility—each year, when Trade Centre Limited, which runs the convention centre, goes into deficit, the province bails out TCL. Since 2004, these bailouts have ranged from a low of $110,000 to a high of $2.1 million. Additionally, the city pays an annual subsidy, which is about $570,000 this year, and is capped at the rate of inflation.

But under the new agreement, the city and province will split the operational costs of the new convention centre. The new arrangement includes an annual payment of $2.9 million, for 25 years, to centre developer Rank Inc. for “facility upgrades” and “facilities operations and management” plus any further operational deficit, which used to be covered by the province alone.

That means the city goes from its present $570,000 annual subsidy to a $1.45 million annual subsidy and assumes half of any further losses incurred by TCL.

Some councillors had previously told me this potentially unlimited risk was unacceptable to them, and today five councillors—Sue Uteck, Debbie Hum, Jennifer Watts, Jackie Barkhouse and Reg Rankin—voted against the deal, precisely because of the increased risk to the city.

At today’s press conference, I asked Peter Kelly about this additional risk directly. Understand that besides about 10 reporters, the room was packed with bureaucrats and convention centre supporters.

Bousquet: In terms of operational costs, is there a cap on what the city would end up subsidizing?
Kelly: We agree that we’re a full partner in terms of capital, in terms of the board and also in terms of the operating expenditures as well.
Bousquet: So no matter how those costs might go, the city’s responsible for half of them?
Kelly: We’ll be very mindful, and we’ll be watching what’s going on. We’ll be making sure that we keep [TCL president] Scott [Ferguson] and his team fully accountable, to make sure those costs are reduced as much as possible, and hopefully there is not an operating deficit but we know convention centres usually do have some, and it’s our responsibility to make sure we keep them all in check.
Bousquet: There have been years when that number has gone up very high—into the millions of dollars, and the city was protected by an inflator and that inflator’s gone now.
Kelly: Right now, we are full partners. We’ll be mindful of the board’s responsibilities, we’ll keep them accountable, we’ll be ultimately accountable and we’ll also make sure we work with the business sector to bring in other opportunities—again, there are several other groups that have indicated that they want to use this new facility fully, and with those opportunities we should see increased revenues and increased opportunities as well.
Another reporter: What’s the mechanism to make sure there’s accountability?
Estabrooks: There’s going to be a new board established, 50/50 representatives from the province and the HRM. The accountability piece is important for taxpayers and I can assure you that with the mayor and council and of course my colleagues in the legislature, it will be an important factor—we’ll look at each year at how this business is doing and how we’re doing with our new convention centre.
Bousquet: How high would be too high? Would you ever just say, ‘We should close this thing down because it’s too high,’ or no number?
Kelly: The glass is half-full. We’re moving forward on a very positive basis. This will be a very successful operation. It’s economic development and we’re moving the project forward, and we’re going to hold the board accountable to make sure they do what they’re supposed to do, and we’re going to maximize every single opportunity. So we’re not going down the road of negativity, we’re being positive, we’re being optimistic, and we’re moving ahead to move the project forward.
[wild applause breaks out in audience]

So, evidently, no consideration at all was given to potential failure of the business—there is no way out, no point at which the city can say “this is too rich for our blood.”

And anyone who challenges the assertion that the new convention centre will necessarily make money is drowned out by applause for platitudes like “we’re being positive.”

Have doubts about the convention centre? Clap louder.

Takeover of the existing convention centre

A second sticking point in city/provincial negotiations was what to do with the existing convention centre and office tower complex—the province’s first offer to the city insisted that the city buy it outright. As shown with today’s announcement, the city completely caved to this demand, although it was wrapped in some pretty words about “cooperation.”

The final deal looks like this: the province will attempt to sell the building until 2015, with the city having “first refusal” rights to match or better any offer. If no one buys the building by 2015, the city agrees to buy it outright, at the province’s “book value,” which this year is about $12 million. Presumably there will be some depreciation for the building over the next five years, but it’s unlikely to be much.

Left unresolved are several issues: Will the province commit to continuing to lease office space in the building once the city takes it over? Since the city’s lease for the bulk of municipal offices, which are in Duke Tower, doesn’t expire until 2021, what will the city do with the existing convention centre tower in the meanwhile? Also: What will be the effect on the market for Class B office space downtown if that much office space suddenly becomes available?

Property taxes

The province’s initial offer to the city included the stipulation that the new convention centre will not pay property taxes. (TCL now pays property taxes on the existing convention centre.) At the time the offer was received, councillors were adamant that this provision in particular was a deal breaker.

But while council didn’t cave in completely to the province on this issue, its acceptance of the final deal comes pretty close to a total cave-in.

The way the deal is now structured is that the province, not TCL, will pay property taxes on the new convention centre. (This is a back-handed subsidy for TCL operations which we’ll need to chronicle in future years, but that’s not what’s most wrong about the proposal.)

Rather than paying taxes based on normal assessments, however, the new deal turns property assessment on its head. Taxes on the shiny new convention centre will be based on the square footage tax rate of the crappy old convention centre—in other words, about $550,000 going to the city annually. An inflator will be added—either two percent a year or the consumer price index, whichever is lower.

Understand that the existing convention centre has about 55,000 square feet of rentable space, while the new convention centre will have about 120,000 square feet of rentable space—so the city just agreed to a 54 percent reduction in the rate on assessed value, based on square footage alone. If you factor in the age and condition of the existing convention centre compared to the new one, the reduction likely becomes something like 80 percent or more.

To say this is precedent-setting is putting it mildly. Why shouldn’t any other business setting up shop in town demand a similar reduction in property assessments? I’ll just leave that question out there, and return to it when that invariably happens.

It was a strange day at City Hall. After council voted for the agreement, and after the Estabrooks/Kelly press conference celebrating the city acquiring potentially unlimited risk with the new convention centre, and a $12 million bill for buying the existing convention centre and a radical change in the tax structure, council went back into chambers to start a three-day meeting called for dealing with…a $13 million budget shortfall this year.

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25 Comments

  1. Absolutely mortifying. I’m planning on moving away with 2 years. I can’t put up with this crap anymore.

  2. To quote my mother, who very recently moved back here from Montreal: “So what do we do… move away, but to what place? I have no faith in governments anymore!! As you said, or I said, I will never buy an expensive condo with high property taxes to fund this crap”

    (She has decided she will stay in the tiny little house she never intended to live in and pay only $600ish per year in property taxes.)

  3. The drama over this is quite entertaining. Folks, HRM’s budget is approaching close to a billion dollars annually. This CC stuff is chump change. The reality is that the things driving HRM operating budgets are a hugely bloated bureaucracy designed to support a council that loves to pass motions in favor of politically-correct bylaws and programs — crap like bike lanes and trails, a garbage system that requires us to clean and press everything before we throw it out, an oversized police department that exists mostly to man speed traps, and ridiculous amounts of money spent on 4-pad arenas, speed skating ovals, and other useless programs for a tiny minority. If the CC can generate some economic activity, it will be one of the few good things HRM has done in its sorry history.

  4. Bo Gus: the convention centre *is* a useless program for a tiny minority. if you personally are in that small group which will financially benefit from this project, you’re among a select few.

    Of course the damned thing is going to generate *some* economic activity. If nothing else, once it’s built, you’ll need a sizeable staff to maintain it, and many more at City Hall to administer the paperwork to make up the shortfalls in its budget. Sort of like the current convention centre…

    It’s funny the kind of stuff you’re against – like modern garbage disposal. Do you even remember what NS was like in the ’70’s and before when it came to garbage dumps? Hundreds of open-air, seagull-friendly, dump-absolutely-anything-you-like, burn-almost-anything dumpsites. Those have been going away precisely because of those “PC” policies that you think are silly. It boggles the mind that a person could think that efficient waste disposal is stupid and yet be in favour of this convention centre proposal. Oh well, takes all sorts. Just please don’t ever get a position of responsibility where you handle anyone’s finances except your own, BG. Thanks.

  5. all these people who threaten to move away to ‘greener pastures’ are deluding themselves into thinking it’s better somewhere else…you’ll be back,might be expensive to live here,but,the quality of life is better here than in any other place in canada,with the exception of the quiet backports,etc.ive lived in vancouver,galgary,toronto and quebec…trust me.after putting up with longer transit times,more crowded bus systems,etc,etc.Halifax seems a dream…the only thing bad about this city is the damn useless mega-council…trim the top,get rid of fence sitting peter kelly and get a council in that have visions,dreams and balls to get things done..think of the city as a whole first,then worry about the local communities later,that’s the way to run a major city!!!!

  6. Devastating! I’m going to leave HRM for a neighbouring county in the next couple of years and commute to the city. These politicians don’t care what most Nova Scotians think and want.

  7. I feel the biggest reason I’m not in support of the CC is because the people who pay for it aren’t the people who get to use it. Unlike rinks or community centers or even a stadium (not saying I support that either, at the moment) the people who get to use the convention center will be primarily from out of town. It’s great to encourage people to visit Halifax, but come on, are these people going to spend enough money in our city to make up for the cost? Not likely. The tax paying population in Nova Scotia is shrinking. Those in the Gen X and Gen Y categories are already going to bear the cost of the baby boomers retiring. I don’t think we can afford to go crazy spending money on convention centres that we won’t likely ever get to use.

  8. Who would buy a used convention centre with a new one next door? I’m going to clap as long as I can but eventually my arms will get tired. My children can take up the slack when that happens. (last two sentences for effect, I don’t have kids).

  9. Flash back to Ottawa in 2007 and they were in the exact same situation we are in now. It got built and for a lot more than they had originally planned. As did A LOT of conventions centres in North America. It’s not just a symptom of living in Halifax.

  10. If democracy matters, CRA poll results show that a majority of residents of HRM support the new Convention Centre, while a majority of residents outside the municipality oppose it.

    http://www.cra.ca/en/home/Newsroom/Majorit…

    The question asked was “As you may or may not be aware, the provincial government recently decided to proceed with the new convention centre in Downtown Halifax. All things considered, do you completely support, mostly support, mostly oppose, or completely oppose the development of the new convention centre in Downtown Halifax?”

    An excerpt from the media release:

    “In all areas of the municipality those in support of the convention centre outnumber those in opposition. Support is highest in the former City of Halifax (63% support versus 27% oppose) and in Bedford/Sackville (62% support versus 29% oppose), and lowest in the former City of Dartmouth (47% support versus 39% opposed) and in the rural areas of the municipality (45% support versus 40% opposed).

    Overall support increases with both household income and education level. In addition, an elevated percentage of those in the oldest age category (55 years or older) oppose (45% oppose versus 46% support), while those with perhaps the most at stake in terms of the future of the municipality (those 18 to 34 years old) were the most supportive of the decision to proceed (61% support versus 26% oppose).”

  11. Funny that CRA would not do a survey all over Nova Scotia, still rural Nova Scotia is expected to co-pay for this nonsense.

    Furthermore, I do not believe the CRA numbers. They did the polls that showed support for the Commonwealth Games. They have special lists of people they ask. They do not say how they did the poll, electronically or by phone. They depend on contracts from government.

  12. “402 adult residents, conducted from November 2 to November 12, 2010, with overall results accurate to within +4.9 percentage points, 95 out of 100 times.”

    Its been many years since that political science course that introduced me to statistics but I do remember enough to know that those numbers mean their survey is shit.

  13. Do the CRA polls still depend on land line respondents? It seems to me in this day and age many people use cellular phones and other devices. Maybe it’s time to disregard all of the old horse and buggy pollsters and put more faith in online polls.

  14. And what a useless poll question that one was. You’d get similar answers if you asked people if they supported lower taxes, more police, more road improvements, lower tuition, and better health care…all at the same time.

    How about doing a study of 1000 representative adults and ask them what they know about the finances of the deal? You’d get a resounding Duh…probably with major positive correlation between the people who don’t know a f**king thing about the financials of the deal, and the people who think a new convention centre is a great idea.

    Float a question out there about legislated 30 hour work weeks, 8 weeks of paid vacation, and taxpayer-supported public pensions for all taxpayers. You’ll probably get at least 50% strong support.

  15. The poll release notes that “Overall support increases with both household income and education level”.

    So, what I read from that is that people who know something about money and who are more educated are more likely to support the CC. This goes against the theory that supporters are mostly those who have no clue about the ‘finances’ of the proposal. By virtue of their level of income and education alone, it’s arguable this demographic is more likely to have informed opinions.

    I find the question fair in that it does not lead the respondent to consider the finances positively or negatively. “All things considered” is the key qualifier in the question, which asks people for their raw opinion regardless of their reasoning of why they’re for it or against it.

    I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect a poll question that can capture all the possible what-ifs without leading the respondents one way or another:

    – Would you support the CC if revenues were higher than costs?
    – Would you support … if revenues were lower then costs?
    – Would you support … if intangible benefits outweigh tangible costs?
    – Would you support … if only developer money is used?
    – Would you support … if only government money is used?
    – … etc.

    So, this poll questions is as good an indicator as any you can get. It’s a snapshot of unqualified opinions at a given period of time, same as most scientific polls out there. Besides, this question is not without context. The topic has been beaten to death on all news outlets and most people in the municipality have formulated an opinion one way or another.

    That opinion, much like the one in these forums here, isn’t going to budge by introducing any amount of leading qualifiers or ‘facts’. The question simply asks people what they think at that moment, all things (in the current public debate) considered.

  16. Issmat, you’re right – the poll asks people for their “raw” opinions, without qualifications. I do question your assumptions, however. One, it’s not an unbiased question: an uninformed person is probably not going to oppose development. It’s difficult to formulate neutral questions, and this isn’t one.

    Two, news outlets may have “beaten” this topic “to death”…although I think you’re seriously exaggerating. If you’re thinking local CBC, ATV and the Herald you’re not seriously suggesting that frequent mention equates to extensive, accurate, and detail-rich reporting, do you? From *those* 3 sources? I have ATV news on often enough in the background, of an evening, and it seems like they’ve touted Christmas Daddies way more than they’ve ever talked about the convention centre. On this one, let it go – you’ve got a long, uphill battle to convince me that the majority of taxpayers have good, solid information ensconced in their heads about this issue.

    As for people with more income and more education supporting this, I wouldn’t necessarily assume this means anything at all. Do people with more money know more about finances? That’s an odd thesis, considering what actually happens in the real world. Do people with more education know more about finances? Only if their education includes that subject…which is uncommon.

    To be fair, Issmat, I’m not suggesting that the people who are against this proposal, in this poll, really know what they are talking about either. I’ll go back to my original paragraph in this reply: that all things being equal (that is, a general level of insufficient knowledge) the average respondent will tend to support rather than oppose development. *Any* development.

  17. The poll was put to 402 people in a province of 900,000+.

    of those 402, how is that 402 broken down amongst:

    City of Halifax (63% support versus 27% oppose)
    Bedford/Sackville (62% support versus 29% oppose)
    former City of Dartmouth (47% support versus 39% opposed)
    the rural areas of the municipality (45% support versus 40% opposed)

    ?

  18. CRA’s credibility after the CWG bid is shot to pieces. I have somewhat more income and a lot of education in finance and I think this Convention Centre cannot possibly succeed. With a $10 million cost of capital a year (lease/interest, etc), the CC would have to host a 4,000 person every week to generate enough tax revenue (4000 * $300/day * 17% tax * 52 weeks= $10.6 million). Do the math. Can they really host a large convention every week for 10 – 20 years? Stop dreaming and get REAL. It’s not reasonable to think that this will be anything but a huge drain on the taxpayers.

  19. Polls are ridiculous. If the media ignores an issue, or government PR doesn’t spin an issue, if you poll the issue, you’ll likely find only about 9% of the population have any notion of what’s right or wrong about a proposition. It’s apparent that this proposition is a fiasco. Hopefully, the federal government will be realistic and “just say no” to subsidizing this shell-game.

  20. To cut through all the Politicals Bullshitting, about co pay & defered payment & BLAH BLAH BLAH B U L L SH I T they are spewing …I thought i’d put it in simple easy to understand language.
    The Federal Government Thieves are going to take money from your pocket & waste it in any way they wish.
    The Provincial Government Lying Thieves are going to take even more tax dollars from your pocket & waste them in ways you can’t possibly imagine yet !
    While the local Civic Government of do nothing /good for nothing assholes will continue to waste more & more tax dollars all the time & will contiue to increase every service cost they can (which is a tax) while making up Bullshit excuses like ‘budget shortfalls’ to help them justify….going deeper into your pockets & actually checking your pants size to see if they can sell those right off your ass for a couple more bucks !
    WHat’s Truely TERRIFYING is these assholes then tell us how GREAT THEY ARE FOR USING their money TO FINANCE THEIR B.S.
    with never a thought to the FACT that it is actually our money & they’ve stolen & wasted yet again!

    Bend over folks , here it comes again !

  21. If a new, bigger and better convention centre will be such an economic winner then why not simply let the private sector finance and build it. If it is such a good thing investors and lenders will flock to it. Let them take the reward and the risk.

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