I’m so sick and tired of smokers in this city. Why does anyone have to tell you not to smoke in busy public areas? There’s a plume of reek 20 feet around you. Half a block behind you there’s a wake of stink. Everywhere you look there’s a carpet of filthy butts. It’s beyond ignorant to make other people smell and breathe your poisonous shit. The numbers of smokers downtown in front of building entrances makes this a huge problem. Smokers will never, ever get the hint on their own. Smokers are stone junkies and junkies are selfish by nature.
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we whine about all sorts of legally bought items. stinky fast food. ugly pants. drunken idiots on the bus (who legally bought that booze).personally I don’t think smokers should get anything back- considering they are more likely to take more out of our medical system than non smokers with smoking related problems, I think it’s only fair they pay more in at some end. instead of creating a two-tier system, taxation on cigarretes seems a reasonable alternative.and yeah, people are going to whine. you made the choice, good for you- accepting the whining is part of it. Deal with the fact you’ve chosen to partake in a hobby that is growing more and more socially acceptable. Doesn’t mean you can’t do it, but just as you’ll ahve to put up with not smoking on airplanes, no smoke breaks from workplaces, not being allowed to smoke in restaurants etc, you’ll ahve to learn to accept that people will whine about your ‘disgusting’ habit.that said this has been beaten to death. we don’t live in plastic bubbles- get over a little cigarrette smoke, as long as the smoker is at least trying to be nice about it (in designated areas, not littering with butts, and maybe even moving downwind, as I’ve seen smokers do, at places like bus stops). basically shut up unless that person is breaking a rule or obnoxiously blowing smoke in your face.
Actually there was a report in the paper a few months ago saying that it was non-smokers that sucked more out of health care than smokers because they live longer. The interwebs and the newspapers don’t lie! Ha. I know that’s not your point but I thought I’d just throw that out there.
Yourmom, that is exactly why you can’t justify the tax on cigarettes as a levy to offset the costs of a smoker’s health care. It is against the concept of universal healthcare. A smoker is entitled to the same quality of care as anyone and should not be expected to pay more to access that care. I am not saying don’t collect taxes from cigarettes and put it towards health care, all I am saying is don’t do it because you think the smokers owe more. Do it because a lot of money is spent on these things which are a health risk and if you want to try and justify selling your population poison, it helps to ease the conscience if the government’s share of the profit goes towards something that benefits us all (i.e. healthcare). So thank you smokers, for helping to pay my non-smoking medical bills as well as your own.
ok I’m giving up on reason here as miles always arrives like a winged monkey to thwart me ;()how bout this: the government likes lots and lots of money. it knows people,a ddicted to ciggarettes, will have to buy them regardless of how much ridiculous tax they put on it. and so, a symbiotic relationship is born!they do the same with lots of other products they know people don’t think they have a choice to buy…you know, like gas……..
I 100% agree with you Miles – I just wanted to point that out to everyone that says that smokers are a drain on the health care system.
Wasn’t trying to thwart there hedgy :)I like your latest version better. The gov’t knows a cash cow when they see it, and they sure are milking the cigarette cow.
Morbidly obese people are just as much a burden on the health care system as smokers – maybe even more so. You watch, that’ll be the next witchhunt on society’s agenda – Free harpoons for everyone.
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I smoke, I like it, will continue to do so. Where are we, the few, the endangered, supposed to go in order to indulge our habit / addiction. While at work, am I supposed to find a place outside that is under some sort of negative pressure in order to not offend you. I am starting to get fed up with being treated like the great unwashed.Here’s a deal for ya. You return to me my taxes I spent buying those ciggies, and I’ll dig a cave and smoke in there, alone and quietly:o
Burning Man… Why should you be given your taxes back because you smoke in a cave? We’ll need that money to pay for your hospital stay when you get lung cancer…
I have had it up to my broken nose with this fucking whine. As long as cigarettes are legal, suck it up, OP, and suck up some bus and 18 wheeler fumes while you’re at it. I’m a former smoker who is sick and fucking tired of people ragging on and on and on because the world won’t accomodate them. There’s a whole lot of things on this planet that can kill you, including the stress you’re putting yourself under over something that ain’t going to stop just because you want it to.
I’d just like to add that it’s YOUR government that is forcing smokers to congregate in groups on the street since they’ve banned smoking in those smoking rooms they forced bars and eating establishments to install 2 years before they banned smoking completely.I’m with you TTFN – this has been beat to death.
Well Floyd, lets start with the taxes. If I have to listen to the whiners whining about a legally bought item, I expect to be compensated for it;) at least a little bit.The cave is wholeeeee other issue, ummm, no it isn’t, I was wafting about something else. Its just 1 of my many happy places. We all die, well almost all of us.
well they’re already talking about putting higher taxes on junk food aren’t they? making it more expensive to buy a bottle of pop than a litre of milk, something like that?I really do think that’s the best incentive to try to get people to stop doing something. They have the choice, but if their pocketbook takes a hit from their unhealthy choices, perhaps that choice will look a little less attractive to more people.but the option would still exist, because we’re all still adults and damn it, if I want a cheeseburger, I should be able to choose to have a cheeseburger!
Well I’ll have to admit it here, but I buy my smokes from the local tobacconist, who invariably gets them not from a gov’t retailer, if you get my drift, so taxes aren’t really a burden on me in this regard. I agree with Miles, Hedgyhog and TTFN , they’re all pretty much spot on. I do pay shit loads of tax, so they get their pound or ton of flesh out of me regardless.
Personally, I think the whole thing about second-hand smoke is a crock of shit unless you’re in an enclosed 8 x 8 room with six hundred chain smokers. All this hype was based on a flimsy US study back in the early 90s and has never been scrutinized or questioned. I’m not saying it can’t happen but I really don’t think standing next to a smoker at a bus stop or anywhere outside is going to do it.
I go away from doorways. I’ll put out my smoke when I no longer need it to mask your perfume.
Exactly yourmom, blah blah blah. Eventually we’ll all be forced to Ferry out to McNabs and smoke there so people like this can drive their SUV’s but not have to breath in cigarette smoke. I make every effort to stay out of the way of nonsmokers when I’m smoking so this bitch is plain insulting.
I smoke.I will not stop anytime soon.If you dont like it, cross the road.I dont smoke in front of a window or door if I can help it, but I’ll be damned if I’m gonna be told what to do by some egotistical jackass who thinks they’re holier than thou because they dont smoke.
Maybe you should go have one now. You seem like you need one.
Not since Rwanda have we seen such persecution against a group. My god, the horror. The horror. Somebody needs to organize a march! A vigil! A whole fuckin’ movement!Rally! Gather up arms!Something about nicotine turns people in huge fuckin’ crybabies. Oh right it’s called addiction. The sad thing is these people who are so insistent on standing up for their individual “rights”, and railing against their sense that they are being unfairly controlled, are in fact being totally controlled. By a tiny little chemical.
Somewhere in a refugee camp in Darfur sits an eight year old legless orphan with meningitis, thinking: “Ah well, it could be worse I guess. I could be a smoker in Halifax.”
Sally Struthers is appealing to the people of Rwanda, in a nationwide broadcast, to help the smokers of Halifax – just pennies a day. Just pennies a day. For the cost to feed a family of eight for two weeks, your Rwandan family can help to provide a poor abused smoker with shelter, social acceptance, air freshener, Topol™, and breath mints. Call now.
I have to confess i really want a smoke right now.
The thing is Jammie, you just know the Canadian Government is not letting the aid those generous Rawandans are sending over get to where it is needed most. And Sally Struthers is making over 100 G’s for being their spokeswoman. Just ask hedgy how those Non-profits squander resources. The whole thing just makes me want to take up drinking.
You make a good point. Naturally the Canadian government will be lining their billionaire pockets with the smokers’ aide, while conspiring how to steal more and more for their personal offshore accounts. And Sally Struther will probably eat a lot of the aid before it ever reaches our shore anyway. But she does a good service by flicking her tounge and eating the flies off the orphans’ faces, so we shouldn’t be too hard on her.In any case, don’t take up drinking. If you drink the tobacco terrorists win.
Sounds like we have a Mr. or Mrs. Perfect OP here that has absolutley NO bad habits. Oh PLEASE allow me to bow down to you. Want some fucking cheese with that whine??I am actually in a “quit” phase, but I’ll smoke again when I want to. Cause it’s a free fucking country. Don’t like it, fucking move somewhere else.FUCK, I’m sick of this bitch. You have NO idea the shit you breathe in on a daily basis, in your own home in itself. Outside is a fucking disaster. WAA!! WAA!! Ciggies smell bad!! Sick of the reek? Stop breathing then. Ahh…that’s better. Sweet, sweet silence. Shit, I want a smoke now too. OP, let me know where you’re gonna be tomorrow. I’ll buy a pack just for you first thing in the morning. I’ll follow you downwind. Muhahahaha!!!!!!!!!
I think we should build treehouses and smoke up there, out of sight, no more smoke in “non” smokers faces…
Thanks for the laugh, EVERYTHING, I love a nostril colonic first thing in the morning. You’ve summed up my sentiments exactly – this is one tiresome bitch.
Yup it sure is one tiresome bitch. It sure is.
“but I’ll be damned if I’m gonna be told what to do by some egotistical jackass who thinks they’re holier than thou because they dont smoke.”I’m a non smoker, and so are all my friends. We don’t think we’re holier than thou. We just value our health.
“but I’ll be damned if I’m gonna be told what to do by some egotistical jackass who thinks they’re holier than thou because they dont smoke.”I’m a non smoker, and so are all my friends. We don’t think we’re holier than thou. We just value our health.
Stick a fork in this topic – it’s done.
I’m a smoker and I see things differently. As a decent human being I should value your health more than I apparently value my own. I welcome all the current restrictions on smoking. And I wouldn’t smoke at the bus stop or one the front step of your business or walking down the street – that’s just fuckin’ trashy. Smoking is a tacky scuzball’s habit and I am pretty embarrassed to be seen smoking in most contexts. But I’m addicted and not quite ready to give it up.I’ll only get mad when someone tells me I can’t smoke in my own house (even though I actually DON’T smoke in my own house, but that’s my choice).
You live in the city among 1000’s of people who think, live and eat differently than you. We all live under an invisible dome of smog that has little smell to it that we notice so why should you be picking on a rather large population of the city who smoke right there in the street without trying to hide anything but you’re a-o-kay with the CO2 emitting technologies and the resulting smog?If the OP lived in the country they’d likely be bellowing about the stink of pig shit from a neighboring farm instead. Get over yourself and get a coping skill, OP.
some day when you quit smoking you’ll be absoutley amazed that you ever made ridiculous statements defending a vile, disgusting, costly, white-trash habit.
It’s rapidly becoming a yellow-trash habit as the tobacco companies focus on more welcoming economies in Asia. Something outrageous like 60 to 70% of adult men is some Asian countries are smokers.
Well if I indulge in a white-trash habit, as you put it Frannie, you’ve condemned a good chunk of the WORLD population as white trash. In Europe, smokers are catered to in every way… or, should I say, “citizens”Eating McDonald’s crap is a vile and disgusting thing to do to your body. We’ve got the numbers and health care dollars added up to prove it. I wonder if Frannie is so noble under those terms?
They are also going to start drinking Bud-light now that InBev owns it. Wait till they start watching the superbowl and eating chili. New China = Old USA. Once they become fat and diabetic and unionized, who will make our running shoes? *Africa chomping at the industrialization bit*
LMAO Miles, OMG! Good post!
heres the thing kay, people who smoke (for the most part) smoke every single day. often many, many cigarettes a day. most people I know only eat at mcdonalds once in a blue moon. It’s not a habit for them.
And Sally will have to move on to South American slums for her fix of flies.
btw kay, smoking is on the decline in europe too. they’re starting to get the message that its a gross, unhealthy, bone-headed thing to do.”In recent years, EU countries have begun to enact stiffer anti-smoking laws. Ireland banned smoking in workplaces (including pubs and restaurants) in 2004, Italy followed with a law against indoor smoking in public places in 2005, and France began enforcing a similar law in January, 2008. Other Western European countries with smoking bans of varying severity include Belgium, Malta, the Netherlands, Norway, Scotland, Spain, and Sweden”.
One day, I did quit, and I was still absolutely amazed that anyone with a brain could bitch and complain that much about someone smoking OUTSIDE! It’s also ridiculous that you, Frannie, think smokers don’t care about their own health…..I know people who have gym memberships and light up after every workout, people who shop in that over-priced organic section and light up on their way home….it’s an addiction, that all smokers have tried to give up at some point, for the very reason that it is ‘bad for your health’ (meaning these people care) but it’s fucking hard and tastes so godamn good, and really just STFU before I start again!
Frannie, maybe you only eat the crap once in a while and I’ll bet you have a less than 40″ waist line (not that 40″ is very pretty). Look around. Check the news since you’re so good at it. Check the socioeconomic status of the majority of fast food eaters and then look at obesity in general. They wouldn’t know a home cooked meal if it landed in their laps (because they can’t see their laps) and they can’t create a wholesome meal for themselves because mommy never taught them how to cook anything that wasn’t an ‘instant’ meal full of sugar, fat and preservatives. They come by it honestly though because mommy herself forgot how to cook in favor of supporting the Hungry Man meals, McD’s and nuker ovens.Another perspective is that of addiction. Addiction is nasty but, in the case of tobacco and alcohol, it’s legal! The WORLD over! If the MAJORITY of this democracy felt as you do nicotine would be illegal. There are more people here who’d rather have a choice than have government tell them how to lead their lives.
sure, youre addicted, but youre also a grownup. if you wanted to quit, you would. people do it every day. you defend it because youre weak. period.
and lori i’m not bitching about people smoking outdoors. i find it incredible that peopel smoke at all. wherever,
Frannie only goes to McD’s with her value-our-health friends when they feel like being naughty and making fun of the white-trash families. Then, they go get a frosty for dessert and drive through the trailer park to see the sights. Doesn’t it feel good to get dirty once in a while?
I don’t think anyone’s questioning your RIGHT to fill your lungs with black tar kay. go nuts. enjoy ever last puff on that succulent cancer stick.What gets a lot of people is the discourtesy attached to smokers, who often get their addicted noses out of joint because, clearly, asking someone not to be rude about their habit is tantamount to condemning that habit (that was sarcasm). yeah, superior non-smokers often are partially to blame for this whole passive aggressive ring around the rosy, but the big thing is just common curtesy, something I thinkw e’ve lost in our zeal to protect our individual rights to do anythign we please. you can smoke. but would it be so hard for you to do it where it won’t annoy other people? and acknoledge that at least a very large population does not smoke, and is bothered or offended by it? that doesn’t mean you can’t, it just means you can be polite about it
Ummm Frannie, if you re-read my post you’ll see that I addressed you about your “value our health” comment and not “smoking outside comment”……
FYI I’m one of the strongest personalities you’ll meet. You’re right, if I wanted to quit smoking I would. I have NO desire to quit because I enjoy many cigarettes every day. Is there anything you do several times a day that you enjoy? Nose picking, perhaps? (I hear that’s a nasty addiction too)I don’t beat my kids, fuck around on my man, drink to excess… I LOVE smoking and I’m not going to quit because you wrinkle your nose. Open you’re mind, girl. The world is a much bigger place than you obviously think it is.
lori is kinda right on this one. i am a smoker – usually half a pack a day but sometimes a pack. i also eat mostly whole grains, fruit and tons of vegetables, salmon and chicken. i work out and am fairly well built. i hike a lot, and not on the easy trails. i take stairs. blah blahi think i am mostly trying to compensate for the smoking but no matter how healthy i try to stay, i can still feel my lungs full of crap
kay, again, I don’t think anyone is saying you CAN’T smoke, just don’t be so self-righteously rude about it to inconvience others. would you, for example, want someone blowing pot smoke in your face? what about walking throuhg a large crowd of people with incredibly stinky garlic breath every day to get to work? it’s the same idea. go ahead and smoke all you like, but for gods sake keep it to yourself. Times have changed, smoking isn’t as socially accepted as it used to be- you want to keep doing it, you’ll have to accept that yeah, for the majority of people, you get to be a pirraha when you’ve lit up.
hedgyhog, I was responding to her comment about being “weak” as if all smokers try and fail to quit. She’s fucked.The fact that I (have to) go outside to smoke makes me the opposite of rude. Pot’s (stupidly) illegal, garlic and cigarettes are not. Again, if the MAJORITY of Canadians didn’t feel the choice was appropriate we wouldn’t have it but we do so…
that’s like saying you vaule your health and eat nutritious food but snort coke every second night. it’s an oxymoron. emphasis on moron.
and kay smoking rates are at an alltime low in canada – somewhere around 15%. so the MAJORITY of canadians don’t support smoking. idiot.
Braveheart: “Every man dies. Not every man really lives.”Some would say stepping outside your home is a dangerous proposition as well.
chances are, stepping out of my home won’t kill me. chances are smoking will. that’s a fact.
No need for name calling Frannie. At least one of here is saying that we know our smoking is stupid.
ok – sorry for the name calling.
The “everybody dies” argument is weak. My parents use it to try to justify eating crap, being obese and never exercising.Would you rather drop dead while out hiking along a seaside cliff with your dog? Or spend the last 12 years of your life, exhausted and depressed, too weak to move, watching endless hours of the same ole talk shows and Wheel of Fortune, just waiting every minute till you finally wheeze your way out of existence?
Am I really living if all I do is what I’m told? What about doing what I want to do? This may be alright for the sheep in this nation but I’m not one of those
yah light up to show how independent and non conformist you are?
BTW Chances of you being involved in some kind of auto crash when you step foot outside your door are pretty good too. Now will you stay at home?
non conformist? Go back to Red China. At least there you don’t have to wonder how many children you get to have in a lifetime… pffftYou live in a democracy. Act like it.
no, it won’t. the chances of me getting hit by that car are pretty darn small. the chances of developing lung cancer, emphasema, copd, etc from smoking are pretty darn good. Youre not comparing apples and apples when it comes to the risk.
Not really a great analogy. I think smoking would be more = to jumping in front of a moving car when you leave your house.I am all for you smoking though…the only time I dont like it is when I am holding my breath leaving my office building.
Words like “want” are pretty relative when talking about smoking. I really don’t want to smoke. I feel compelled to smoke. I am being controlled by a tiny little molecule.In my mind, that makes me weaker and more of a sheep than any bylaw about outdoor patios.
And you are probably unaware that you stink
Come on now. I’m on the side of the non-smokers. I’m saying I know it’s a stupid habit. Yet you continue to bash. Sheesh.
How is your being aware that you’re addicted to something = you being on non smokers side? Also what does that even mean?I dont smoke but aside from getting smoke blown directly in face (forced to walk through a smoke filled doorway) I dont care if you smoke (or smell) So I guess Im on your(smokers) side.
T, you complained about this before. Go to the Dean of your school and tell them to enforce their own policies.
I dont go to school. I also have a strategy for leaving my office, I hold my breath for a few seconds as I leave if there happens to be a group of people smoking at the entrance I’m using. I try and not let other people choices affect my life. Who do you complain to when the city puts up a no smoking sign and then put one of those little butt stops right under it? Its funny too because in the 10 or 20 seconds a day I have to pass there I see people dropping butts on the ground right beside the butt stop and stepping on them.You said that you smoke and I’m not saying you do these type of things but you have to see why people are getting more and more fed up with smokers. You only need to look at the side walk to find out what the majority of smokers feel there responsibility is once they finish their smoke.
Actually T I have spent much of this thread saying that I support the smoking bans, that I agree with the people who complain about the stech of smoke, that I do NOT smoke in public ANYWHERE, only in private, that I think people who believe they can smoke and be healthy at the same time are really quite delusional, and that I don’t think smokers are exercising any kiond of individual choice by smoking – they are just giving in to their addictions. I’m supporting all of the arguments that the non-smokers are making. So if you want to call someone names and tell them they stink, please aim your spite at someone who is arguing with you rather than for you. That’s all I am saying.
Okay, T, sorry about that. Again, we create these dam bylaws and then… what? Bitch on a chat board when they’re broken? You know what to do.
What about if I snort coke but don’t drink coke….you know because of all the bad stuff in it? Does this make me a moron??
I suppose you can snort all the coke you want as long as you don’t get addicted. Your heart won’t like you for it though. And, while drinking coke is probably just as bad for you in the long run, it won’t turn you into a liar and thief.I guess the drink is the lesser of two evils. Don’t laugh but I’m glad I’m addicted to cigarettes and not drinking pop! (Naturally I want to get rid of that addiction too!)
lori, if you’re snorting cocaine you’re a criminal and THAT makes you a moron. Get it?
MY fuck…..why don’t you fight for smokers to have their own space(for smoking)…..so they wouldn’t be out on the street in front of your buildings…..we could call them, ummmm,ahhhh lets see now….I know, Smoking Rooms. We could even make each company/establishment pay to have proper ventilation put in so not to disturb the non-smokers with the second hand smoke that may escape this designated area….wouldn’t that be a good idea?? Then you wouldn’t have to hold your breath unless of course you decided to walk through the smoking room!
because its about providing a smoke free work place
Not all criminals are morons…..geez, don’t you ever watch A&E….some criminals are highly intelligent….just sayin’
Uhm, I do watch A&E and find these intelligent people you’re talking about BEHIND BARS
She’d only be a criminal because someone unilaterally decided that coke will be illegal but tobacco won’t, even though nicotine is every bit as addictive and smoking kills far far more people every year than cocaine ever will. I’m sure you break all sort of little laws here and there, whether is parking or speeding, or talking on the phone, or walking closer than 30 feet or whatever it is of a door with a smoke, or maybe you drank a bit of hooch beofre you were 19, whatever…does that make you a moron?(Granted of course, cocaine’s addiction is a far more immediately devastating one. And it affects other people since you will likely turn to criminal behavior to support it. I’m not so naive as to ignore these things, I’m just saying the “legal” side of the argument is not a very effective one.)
So, Kay, are you saying that removing the designated smoking rooms from all places provided smoke-free work environments? Because it seems like an awful lot more people complain about having to walk through the smoke to get to work now that smokers have moved outside.
Jammie, you’re comparing municipal bylaw infraction with criminal behavior. Keep it up and I’ll start calling you Homie:-P
Sounds about right Kay… Halifax is way better at creating by-laws then enforcing them. Ohh well.And Jammie”So if you want to call someone names and tell them they stink” Saying that smokers stink is the only insult I made(I didnt call them names and then say they stink I just said they stink), if at that time you thought I was directing it at you personally I wasn’t. However as you are a smoker I can see how you came to that conclusion.You do seem to agree with all the non smokers points about health and wellness. So it seems your less offended “by you are going to get cancer and die”, you might and I might. Than “you stink” sorry to tell you that if you smoke and assumabley only in private (your house or apartment) you do stink,and your house stinks, and your clothes stink and your clean clothes stink.If it helps you change stink to smells like years worth of ash trays. If you see all the other downsides to smoking then deep down you already know that it doesnt leave smokers smelling great
No, I’m saying the principal behind the anti-smoking laws is to provide a smoke-free work place for everyone. If MORE people were complaining about other’s smoking outdoors than complained about working in a smoking environment you’d have yourself a real democratic issue. That’s just not the case.
Anyway, I’m a law abiding citizen (not a criminal) I was just trying to make a point that not all smokers are morons just like not all criminals are stupid, etc. etc.
Walking through smoke at the door is still better than an ash try at every desk.
And not all smokers succumb to cancer.. admit it, Lori
whoops, I meant to address Frannie with that last post. Sorry Lori
Now see, T, I am fully aware that smoke smells. But first you say your remarks aren’t wasn directed at me, then you make your remarks even stronger and make good and damn sure they ARE aimed at me. What’s the point of it? As previously noted, I’m on your side. Well – the “non-smokers’ side” – since it seems your are an ignorant cunt and I don’t want to share anything with you.
Oh… and not all non-smokers are good readers. I’m pretty sure Jammie said he DOESN’T smoke in his house and I’m pretty sure I typed DESIGNATED SMOKING ROOM more than once, which would leave ashtrays in those areas and NOT on every desk…..wow, who did you say the morons were again?
Jammie, we don’t care for the c*** word here or anywhere. Settle down.
Yeah yeah, and I broke my own “no name calling rule”. But as discussed in the other thread, SOME PEOPLE.grrrrrrT is for troll.
Lori, would there not be a worker to tidy the smoking room? Would the floor not get washed ever? Would tabletops and chairs sit and collect dust and ashtrays over flow? WHO should maintain the smoking room for the business or municipality? A smoker? It would be discriminatory (illegal) to select such a person for such a job.
my point about coke wasn’t the legal issue. i meant that it would be hypocritical to say you cared about your health (ate well, exercised, etc.) then snorted coke all the time.
Well then… the first time I said it it was not directed at you personally just smokers. The second time deff was right at yah…just because you are on the nonsmokers side doesnt mean you dont stink, especially if you are serious about only smoking in your home. Im sorry you feel that im a cunt but that smell will wash right off, you are stuck with yours.
Jammie, now would be a good time to put some fire to that butt:-) Hang in there and keep posting.
no, not all smokers do. but if you compare the number of smokers who DO get cancer (or heart disease, or whatever) with the number of people who leave and then safely return home at the end of the day, well… there is no comparison.
I think smokers should have their own entrances to buildings that they can smoke around, that way they don’t have to worry about moving the 5 meters away from the main entrance. And they should probably have their own washrooms and drinking fountains too. And separate schools for their smoking children. Sheesh. What more do non-smokers want?
You’re mostly right Frannie. I don’t think I’d use the word hypocritical though. The gym-going smoker isn’t being deceptive or duplicitous, they are just trying to stay healthy despite an addiction, and the probably know it’s pretty silly.Calling someone a cu*t after already telling someone not to call names; now that’s hypocritical – not practicing what you preach.*guilty*:-(
If anything, take note as to how a progressive discussion degenerated into this and then justify using the word cunt or nigger in ANY context. Pathetic.
yup and I’m awfully glad you did because it means it’s muggy today and I didn’t ahve to wear a bra to work today (ahh the bliss).kay, language reclamation is the next frontier of feminism. honestly. don’t box in an entire gender by forcing us to be completly pc, all the time. that’s what’s led to my generation being more prone to going back to old gender roles and behaviors (letting the man pay or open doors, for example, as well as a return to certain sterotypical female traits that go along with societal conservatism). just becasue I use cunt DOESN’T mean I’m not a feminist. read my post again and this time pay attention- it’s not the WORD you shoudl be offended by, but the context and the intent behind it. and no, just because you perceive an intent doesn’t make it real.
See Frannie, you expect to die of cancer if you smoke. Don’t do it. It’ll get you. It can smell your fear.
please don’t use vajayjay….that’s Oprah’s word.
Cunt is short for Kay!
my cousin never once believed he was doing to die from smoking. we begged him for years to quit, but he said he was “too tough” to let it get him.
yes yes dick is short for richard..but I clearly meant calling someone a penis.if you want to get into a feminist tirade (bring it on xena!) try this: how come we can call people penis’s, and that’s totally fine, BUT we can’t call them vaginas? whats wrong with vaginas? if we’re really allf air and equal, profanity should be egalitarian as well- if I can curse with words used to describe male anatomy, frankly I find it a little chauvinistic of you to deny my the right to elevate female anatomical curse words to the same level of profanity 😉
C is for cookie.
and last time i checked, lung cancer wasn’t a psychosematic illness.
What is tit short for?
Actually, fucking bitch sums it up a little better… and NS is making me this way. Pat yourselves on the back.Frannie, for YEARS you pushed the fear into him even made it undeniable (I hate to be insensitive, I’m sorry for your loss). The power of the human mind is vast and given it’s role in cell division… hmmm. Think about that.
you are truly unbelievable. i don’t mean to be insensitive either, but when you’re painfully dying of lung cancer, I’m going to say “I TOLD YOU SO!”
Grandfather didn’t, why should I?
Nothing like a little cuntfrontation on a rainy day….
You should also consider the role the carcinogens in cigarette smoke play in cell division too Kay. It’s more than just a theory.
“Frannie, for YEARS you pushed the fear into him even made it undeniable (I hate to be insensitive, I’m sorry for your loss)”But you are telling her its her families fault for trying to get him to quit smoking that resulted in him dieing. Thats pretty fucked up.It makes for a good analogy though. You are prolly really offended by the word cunt…because you are such a cunt
Frannie, only a cunt would say ‘TOLD YOU SO’ to someone dying. Now go stick your finger up your ass and rotate on your elbow.
Oh T, grow up and get a vocabulary. I didn’t say his family gave him cancer. All I’m saying, really, is what you truly believe has impact on your health. Ask any clinically depressed person.
pat pat……would you prefer bitchface or cuntface? See Haligonians are considerate….you pick ypur own nickname and I’ll call you by it……No Problem!
KAY YOU ARE FREAKING UNBELIEVEABLE!!!seriously, the statistics exist. medical science has proven SMOKING DRASTICALLY INCREASES RISKS FOR DISEASE AND DOES CAUSE DISEASE.is it 100 per cent certain? no, but it’s just like playing in traffic- you PROBABLY will get hit, but than again, you may not.and because your grandfather DIDN’T get smacked by a transport? doesn’t neccessarily mean YOU are impervious to that big bus bearign down on you.is the mind a wonderful and powerful thing? sure. but how dare you insinuate that trying to get someone to stop doing something which science has PROVEN increases his odds of disease dramatically CAUSED his disease? that’s ridiculous. too bad your oh so powerful mind is wasted on you.CUNT.and yes, the intent behind that one? evil and mean, baby, evil and mean.
why not, TTFN? she will have brought it on herself.
kay, if i cut myself with i knife will i bleed, even though i tell myself i won’t?
Do you believe yourself to be a hemophiliac?
“Frannie, for YEARS you pushed the fear into him even made it undeniable”What did you mean by that then? If not to imply fault in the families actions resulting in death.
The “power of the mind” element is removed from the scientific data supporting the link between cancer and smoking since test animals do not know if they are being exposed to carcinogens or not. Also they probably wouldn’t have the level of consciousness needed to affect anything if they did. You might have the power to heal or hurt your body with your mind, but so does the biochemistry of the carcinogen.
no. i’m just wondering, if I take a 10 inch chef’s knife and run it down my arm, will it draw blood, even if i tell myself it won’t? it’s a simple question
T, go look up “self fulfilling prophecy”. That was my point.
Kay, have you walked on coals before by any chance?
Now, Miles, you’re speaking my language.
Thought so. 🙂
the power of my mind is saying kay no longer exists…oops where did she go? I guess she was right all along.I’m done with this, moving on to bigger, better, and less troll infested bitches, thanks very much.
You can tell yourself all you want, Frannie. The question is do you really believe?How does a meditating monk bring his heart rate down to ridiculous levels and remain conscious? Coal walkers not get burned? How come laughter and happiness reduces healing time? How come some become addicted to drugs and some don’t despite exposure? How come a person’s pet nearby can improve their quality of life? Think about it. That’s all I suggested in the first place.
you’re right, i do believe i will believe. i’m basing that on all those times i’ve accidentally cut myself and bled, without having the time to think/not think about it. it just happens.
oop – do believe i will “bleed”.
You’ve no doubt been burned before. Tell me, why do coal walkers not get burned? Seems like a simple thermal and tolerance calculation in the physical world but there it is… burn free feet. Go figure.
kay – if you refuse to believe the health argument, do you not have better things to spend all that money on? trips? new clothes? a nicer home?
So now you think I should feel bad for spending money on something I enjoy? THAT is where cancer comes from… feeling bad, guilty, fearful and believing it can and will kill me… Just roll with the fire walker example. Come on.
I do believe there’s something physical going on with coal walkers feet, same as people who lie on beds of nails……..if you move at a certain speed putting pressure in the right places it’s possible to do it or somethign like that.Kay you’re one cracked cunt, you know that?and damn it you keep tempting me back here with your fuckery!!!
Kay: “The coals start out as pieces of wood. But because they’ve been burning for a while before the stunt, the coals have burned down to nearly pure carbon, like charcoal. This lightweight carbon structure is a poor conductor of heat. It takes a relatively long time for heat to transfer from the glowing coal to your skin. Now, add to that the fact that ash is a very good insulator. People actually used to use ash to insulate iceboxes. The red-hot coals covered with ash transfer their heat even more slowly because the ash acts as a layer of insulation. Then there is the short time span. Heat transfer from a red-hot coal is slow, but it still happens. If you were to stand still on the coals for several seconds, you would definitely get a burn. By walking quickly, you keep your contact with individual coals very short. You also get across the bed of coals fast, and that limits your total amount of coal time. So, your foot never gets hot enough to burn. “
no kay, it’s not.now go back to reading the secret and puffing on your deletable cancer stick.
no, what makes her a cracked cunt is that she ENJOYS smoking. it tastes gross, it makes you bundle up and stand outside in the freezing cold/pouring rain, it stinks. what’s to like?and yes, I’ve tried smoking before.
Okay, firewalkers don’t impress you nor do monks who control their own vitals. How about you go chew on a 100 lbs woman who lifted the weight of an entire car in order to free her child. Adrenaline? Is that all, really? Doesn’t one require muscle mass to produce output like that? It should be a matter of simple math but it’s not. hmmm Chew on.”The Secret”? Hedgy’s talking about herself, not me.It’s been a really interesting day. I’ve only been offended once but I’ve offended many. My work here is almost done.
Instead, chew on this… something everyone can relate to:”How come laughter and happiness reduces healing time?”
same here and my mouth always feels like I’ve licked an asshtray afterwards. and I can’t taste anything properly, and my tounge always feels burned, and the scent gets stuck in your hair….seems like a dumb thing to like, frankly. but to each their own. just don’tt ry to deny that it’s a gross habit that will have an impact, however minor if you’re lucky, on your health. if we all followed kay’s logic we’d have no problem with teenagers starting to smoke, or more people doing it. can’t ahve it both ways, you cunty little cuntster 😉
Good answer hedge. Too bad it’s not useful.
Okay boys and girls,,,, so where is kay on your love list now???BTW if someone wakes up Tim today, its not my fault, someone else can take the heat this time…
“How come laughter and happiness reduces healing time?”sometimes it does kay, but certainly not all the time. a lot of positive, happy people have succumbed to illness.
Kay, you’re twisting antedotal evidence for your own means.clearly, you want to justify to yourself your gross little habit by claiming you may not be strong enough to quit, but hey, you’re strong enough to use the power of your mind to ward off disease.um, no. just no. there are things we don’t know about how our brains work, but there’s enough to know that while the mind can have an impact, it isn’;t a magic shield when you do stupid things that put you at risk.
Kay, you’re twisting antedotal evidence for your own means.clearly, you want to justify to yourself your gross little habit by claiming you may not be strong enough to quit, but hey, you’re strong enough to use the power of your mind to ward off disease.um, no. just no. there are things we don’t know about how our brains work, but there’s enough to know that while the mind can have an impact, it isn’;t a magic shield when you do stupid things that put you at risk.
I heard you the first time hedge and if you read through you’ll see I quite enjoy smoking cigarettes and have NO desire to quit.Hey, if you can’t see evidence of ‘mind over matter’ in this lifetime I’m certainly not the one to explain it to you. Miles might, if you’re nice but you’re not. sux2bu
Floyd, those who digest what I’m saying rather than clinging to beliefs that were dictated to them as a child call me cunt. Either way I’m a fucking bitch and I fit right in here.
then kay, why don’t we all live to be 198? if we believe we can, how come people still die?
In addition to the cyclical nature of the universe we don’t live forever because we don’t believe we will. Yet, according to Christ and other religious beliefs, we do. (but only the very very special sin-free people do, which is crap.)
“I do NOT smoke in public ANYWHERE, only in private” is what jammie said about where she smokes….I also noted that assumably that meant in her home. Not defiantly.And Jammie common now T is for troll that shit is weak. I may have harshly worded the truth but like I said before you have more problem with that than people telling you that slowly killing ur self. Maybe you should rethink which one is more offensive
Frannie, you’re intentions are obviously good and your point may be well founded in a different thread, however, realize health conscious people don’t necessarily fit into your perfect template of a human being in a perfect world. Our bodies are robust and can withstand an awful lot. Ask any teenager or professional athlete. You’re getting flamed because you tread on our ability to chose and your opinion of right and wrong is NOT supported by the greater majority of Canadians.
As two posters have already pointed out, I don’t smoke in my home. And I don’t deny that I may smell like smoke. My question was only why you decided to insult me of all people, when I was the only smoker here who is trying to support the voice of reason? Why don’t you insult the people who think all smoking laws should be taken away, and they should be able to make you stink just like them, because it’s their “right”?
I’m not offended by much but I do take exception to the C*** word. TIM! Strip it out of the comments. I’m embarrassed for any woman who happens to be reading.
“Why don’t you insult the people who think all smoking laws should be taken away, and they should be able to make you stink just like them, because it’s their “right”?”You both smell the same. Maybe we are on a thin line between insults and facts.
kay you keep using the word MAJORITY, but that simply isn’t the case. as i said earlier, smoking rates are at an all-time low, and we’re continuously banning smoking from various environments. ontario was in teh news this mroning because the province is going to ban smoking at beaches. what more evidence to you need that the MAJORITY of canadians don’t support smoking????????
Yeah Miles is here….the voice of reason! Non-smokers (the anal ones) want what they can’t have…..everyone to be just like them! Now seriously, stop this before I start smoking again. Kay, I know that someone would have to clean the smoking room, I know I know, there’s lots of valid reasons, I’m just sayin, we, as a society keep trying to accomidate non-smokers but THEY’RE NEVER HAPPY!!!And cleaning the smoking room would be a step up from some jobs, like, say, cleaning the private rooms at peep shows? Or, say, cleaning the port-a-potties after a concert…..Anyone else think of jobs that could be worse?
And T please understand it is not the content of your remarks that interest me; I am not “offended” by the word or implication of “stick”, or “Cancer”, or kill. I am just interested in your motivation for flinging insults at someone who was trying to support your case. That’s the part that doesn’t make sense to me.
our bodies are robust – sure just ask someone with emphasema who’s hooked up to an oxygen tank.i find it truly amazing that you continue to make excuses for this filthy, deadly habit. yes it’s your right to smoke. but at least admit that it’s vile and and it kills.
oops “stink”
Sorry about the smoking inside your house thing though, prolly why I directed all that stink stuff at you… I had roommates who smoked in our apartment and the smell never left all my clothes until I moved out and washed them several times.I did say I was assuming though and you didnt correct me right a way so i took it as truth….you prolly dont smell half as bad as I first said…lol
Sorry kay. I think I should move to England where absolutely no one cares about the cu*t word. It seems so quaint, 70s-weed-and-crystals-earth-mother-radical to be offended by terms for female genitalia.
And 100% of people with emphysema succumbed because they were tobacco smokers, right? WRONG
Oh Kay, you should give Tim a call, he loves to hear from people like you around this time to complain about a fucking word!
no, of course they don’t all succumb. but a very large percentage do. but i guess thats a chance you’re willing to take. good luck to ya.
Well T that’s a little better LOL but again, I wasn’t actually offended by the smell part. ANYWAY let’s drop it and sorry for name calling. I got testy.
What Lori? Your cunt faced cunt not offended by the cunt attitude implied in your cunt faced replies? How are ya for the word fuckin’ nigger? I wonder how well ‘nigger’ goes over in England?Some people… grrrr
ummm some people indeed… how do you feel about the word racist? Come up with a better analogy you cunt.
Kay up to 90% of cases of emphysema and other chronic obstructive pulmonary diseases are caused by smoking. Things like coal mining, heavy air pollution, and other harsh chemical irritants account for the remaining 10%.
Your the one who started this, TMaybe you should fuck off.I’m no racist. Why are you a pig?
Oh my.
kay, you had a point there somewhere but it’s gotten a bit lost in your rhetoric again…ps tattling to tim is frowned upon. also, I’m a woman and I’m not offended by cunt. no more than men are offended by the word dick. grow up, it’s a word. also, am I the only one who finds it ironic that she’s blathering on about smokers rights being trampled on so non smokers aren’t offended etc etc and then wants someone else to edit out certain words that offend her?
Started what. I told someone they stink. You dropped the N bomb…but its not your fault, I guess its just proof that a smoker can come up with a stupid rationalization for anything
Self fulfilling prophecy.. if you think you’re gonna die of smoking related illness you can (almost) count on it. Where are the stats on those who smoked and lived, huh? How come some succumb and some don’t? Answer me that.
You know, the more I read, the more I think my “70s-weed-and-crystals-earth-mother-radical” was bang on. Folks, I think we found our Mokey Fraggle!!
Kay are you SERIOUSLY trying to argue that smoking DOESN’T kill?really?what nicotine stained rock have you been hiding under? it’s not phycosymatic, it’s a fact that inhaling toxic chemicals will do bad nasty things to a body. take a look at smokers yellow fingers and teeth, or better yet, apartment walls (a friend who was a chain smoker recently moved, and washed her walls before she left- we thought they were a pale yellow, but in fact, that was just all theg unk stuck to the clean white paint…ugg). That stuff can’t HELP but do horrible things to a body.also: CUUUNNT. CUNTY CUNT CUNT CUNT. cunt.
I am as offended by “cunt” as anybody who takes offense in the “N-Bomb” and that’s a product of maturity. If you need to resort to such language go back to school and learn some better descriptors.Come here hedgy, we’ll see how not offended you are being called a cunt.
I said it before and I’ll say it again: SMOKING IS LEGAL – SO SUCK IT UP, SWEETHEARTS!!! You can make all the fucking arguments you want, but until the government decides it doesn’t want the tax revenue, people are going to continue puffing. Taking away smoking rooms in bars and restaurants was a ridiculous move and you’re now seeing the results. And why? Because some asshole non-smokers decided an enclosed room was not enough – they wanted it out of their sight completely.Quitting smoking is the hardest fucking thing I ever had to do – given that it’s more addictive than heroin, little wonder – I am most sympathetic to those who have tried and can’t quit – I tried for 30 goddamn years before I could do it successfully. People who have never smoked cannot even begin to understand the complications of addiction. As for reformed smokers who have become Butt Nazis and suddenly thinks their shit doesn’t smell, I’d like to pepper their stupid asses with buckshot.Besides, I’d rather wave a pitchfork at those waddling lardbuckets that keep blocking downtown sidewalks with their billboard asses. Some of them look like they’ve been breastfed by a rotating donair spit and their burden on our health care system will certainly outdistance that of smokers in the future.
kay you are honestly delusional.
Kay it’sa not so black and white as that. It’s a probabilities game.If you find that 1 out of 10 non-smokers die from heart disease, but 6 out of 10 smokers die from heart disease, then there will still be 4 smokers that play russian roulette and manage to scrape through. That doesn’t mean that smoking is safe. There will be 9 non-smokers instead of just 4.(Note that I am not quoting actual stats here, it was just for illustrative purposes.)
go ahead and be offended all you like, kay, but just as with smoking, that’s your right and you can deal with it as you will. I can choose to NOT be offended by a certain word, and use it if I so choose. it’s not illegal to say Cunt, but I can choose to not annoy others, or to call you a Cunt as you have made it clear you are a non-cunt user and would prefer if I didn’t soil you with my cunty-language.persoanlly I think it has nothing to do with maturity but rather evolving language. english is growing and changing all the time, and words that were once taboo are now commonly used. is Cunt still a swear word? yeah. I wouldn’t want to hear it come out of a 4 year olds mouth, nor do I use it myself particularly often. but I don’t like censoring language anymore than I like censorship in general- that would stunt it’s growth and we’d loose out on fabulous new linguistic developments, like the new trend to verb words that were once nouns, or at -licious to the end of things (that was sarcasm but you get my point).
being just as offended by cunt as by the N word is a person problem and does not reflect how offensive either one of the words is. Maybe next time your talking with a black woman you can ask her which offends her more.I also noticed that you keep typing the word cunt but now are using N bomb. Why type out in full one and omit the other now?
I love my cunt…and no i’m not offended by that or any other “related” word…..like, uh, whore, slut, etc. Why the racist slurs…if there’s anything poor Tim should have to erase it’s your ignorance…..wakey wakey Tim……cuntface here, is crossing the line!
i am happy to see you dialoguing with kay about this hedgy; i think as a cunt-user you have much experience and wisdom to provide to the non-cunt user; you are cuntilicious!
personally, I prefer the phrase mealy mouth crotch pheasant to calling someone a cunt…but just becuase I think it has more impact and creativity 😉
Yes, I’ll argue smoking cigarettes do not kill 100% of the smokers 100% of the time. My 104 year old smoking grandfather proved that to me.hedge, tell me why there’s such a sting in the word nigger if anything goes these days? Get your CUNT around that and I’ll be impressed…. whoops slipped right in and lost it, didn’t ya?
ok i have to run and meet with a couple of mealy mouth crotch pheasants, so please continue intercoursing while i am gone!
“hedge, tell me why there’s such a sting in the word nigger if anything goes these days? “Sorry to answer hedgys question but…maybe its because one is an offensive term for a female body part and the other degrades an entire race and was used for years as a tool of oppression.
honestly I think nigger has progessed the same way fag has. certain words can be used in certain contexts by certain people. if a racist or homophobe used those words, the INTENT would be the problem, not the word itself- it’s used as a weapon, not just an expression.I think a lot of words, like cunt, which were once seen as derogatory are being reclaimed. I’m a woman and can use the word cunt to describe a body part, same as I’d use pussy or vajayjay or fun box or whatever. no one ever has a problem calling someone a dick, so why is cunt so different? I can also use it as a descriptor, embueing it with ever evolving and changing meaning as the situation dicates. I am not a language-bigot, I don’t discriminate ;)now woudl I fling it about at another woman, like you, in a misogenis fashion? nope. but woudl I use it because I think often your arguments are ahem all wet, a little stinky, and in general prone to yeast development and annoying itching?the answer is yes.
Did you not notice us female type burning bra’s in the 60’s?
Dick is short for Richard, idiot.
you 104 year old grandfather was lucky. my 49 year old cousin wasn’t. he spent a little over a year wasting away to nothing, before finally passing away. but not to worry, he ate healthy his whole life!
i officially believe i will live forever. I BELIEVE! does this mean i’m never going to get sick and die?
Try it. But REALLY try it. If you do it right you would become like Christ… risen.
Where’s the take-it-back button? I didn’t want to play the Christ card. You were supposed to figure that one out on your own.
Hedgy, I really liked the way you said “don’t box in an entire gender” and then I got to thinking maybe I should snatch the opportunity to say a few words here too… But then I thought maybe I should just clam up and get out of here…Well,,, its been a slice…
Warning, troll infested thread!
kay with your 48 posts on here today, that pretty much goes without saying…beef curtains…
Glad to see it all kept on keepin’ on while I was away. Total 70s-weed-and-crystals-earth-mother-radical. Only people get cancer from cigarettes who believe that they will. Bra burning. And string theory means we can move between dimensions with ghosts. (But certainly NOT after dying from smoking.)My list has been re-revised Floyd. Will never second-guess myself again, promise.
For any event whose outcome is uncertain at a certain point in time, if you believe it to be one way or the other, and you REALLY believe it, 100.00%, with absolutely 0-doubt, then it is as exactly as you believe it… I have experienced this many many times in life…The problem is removing all doubt…
ok I say we up our troll alert system to level orange, at least. we now have multiple increasingly crazy posts, followed by a big burst of god fever, and a disapearance.somethign tastes gingery, and I beleive it just might be Kay’s dried up poontang.
Whoa whoa whoa… I know Kay’s the bylaw to your Kay, but take a step back and think about this. Kay is no way, no how, no Gingy. Kay is consistently and deliberately cynical and rude and abrasive, whereas Gingy is all over the emotional spectrum; the most non-Gingy-Gingy we’ve had ’round these parts is he who shall not be named.Remember, the most identifiable trait of a Gingy is uninhibited INconsistency.
Yeah she left. Kay – See you next Tuesday!
I cede to your greater ginger knowledge qwert…but you have to admit, kay’s gerbil long ago died but the wheels still going around…..it’s a little odd. particularly the god thing at the end. which troll used to do that alot? was it ali? I get them so confused…….ps the utter crazy really makes the day go by faster
Actually kay today was out of control, all over the map, and seriously fast-cycling. Really quite wacko.
I love it when they explode into troll fireworks. I wonder if she’s sputtering somewhere, drooling on her cat and chain smoking out of her cooch?
She seemed OK over in the other thread for a while, almost friendly, then she started to get weird with the string theory means abracadabra, and then she was all conspiracy theory over here, then she got the spirit of God over there, and carried it over here, after telling us off for taking the name of her lord and savior the punani in vain.
Sorry, dudes, I know Pro-Kay is not a popular stance to take today, but I’m gonna have to stand firm in my support.I read the whole thread today with amusement, shock, and yes, even delight. While the topics she spoke of were quite varied and even off the wall, there was a thread woven through them that a Gingy just isn’t capable of weaving… Worse yet, part of me was even a little intrigued by what she was saying, and some of her statements echoed thoughts I’ve had.And… there was one poster in particular who was much more Gingy-esque.Sorry guys. Don’t hate me.
ok who was more gingy esq? I’m curious….Kay usually is far more lucid, I’ll admit. maybe she jsut had a bad day? now I was never a kay worshipper though
You must mean L.I dunno man, K seemed pretty out to lunch to me. The spaced out new agey interpretation of physical principle, the completely irrational refusal to accept evidence of ill effects of tobacco, the insistence that there is something wrong with changing the culture around smoking, the sudden trumpeting of Gd and Jeebus. This is a delusional person who likes to think she’s quite smart and fierce, but who demonstrates with every statement that she is incredibly naive and impressionable, with little ability to distill her own truths because she just accepts what is handed to her by the snakeoil salesmen she has for whatever reason chosen to be her informants.
I confess I did laugh over laughs at “Your cunt faced cunt not offended by the cunt attitude implied in your cunt faced replies?” though. not bad.
T. Frannie. Kay likes to go way, way over the top in her arguments, she likes to push buttons and challenge the status quo, on any topic. She more than accomplished that today, and even caused some atypically bad behavior in normally level-headed people, which I’m pretty sure is what she was going for.
Frannie, while judgy, seemed totally on the mark with most things she said. Also quite rational and able to back up her statements quite well/L did all right for a while but later just seemed to pipe up here and there with some non-sequitur and I was wondering why she was even bothering to participate.I thought T seemed pretty lucid and generally well spoken at first, even if I was miffed at its rudeness, but i think that was at least in part a misunderstanding. Quite rational for a while, but then seemed to lose its grip and was contradicting itself all over the place. Was it against smoking, but for smokers’ “rights”? Was it totally anti-smoking? Did it hate walking through smoke, or did it not mind? I couldn’t quite tell, cuz it changed its tune with every post.K was pretty consistent, to be fair; I just felt she was consistently demonstrating that she can’t think for herself nearly well as she seems to beleive or wants us to believe.So in the end I vote for T.
my take on Kay is simply that she likes to stir up shit. And yeah, she achieved that quite nicely today- I was rude in ways I’m not normally, although for the most part I was being sarcastic. she believes she has strong opinions and a strong personality- she’s said so herself. but she really just gets off on being flamed and getting attention- which she can gather around herself very effectively by simply taking the opposite view of the majority on any given topic, and runnign with whatever wacked out theories she can come up with to support that.either she’s nuttier than a squirrels poop OR she’s clever enough, if a little pychotic, to pretend to believe all this stuff and defend it in order to rile everyone else up
OK, we need a new thread. One not involving how much Halifax sucks, smoking, employment, unfortunate fashion choices, buses, homophobia, abortion, crappy landlords, waitresses, tipping, cell phones, commenters on Bitches, or slow drivers.That leaves lots, right?
I’ve believed for a long time that he dangers of smoking, and especially second hand smoke, have been if not exaggerated, then at least over-emphasized (and no, I’m not a smoker). Smoker-bashing is a pretty acceptable witch hunt. Throughout the insanity today, the “conversation” was punctuated by these very ideas, by TTFN, but nobody attacked her.I found Frannie to be coherent and able to form a sentence, but I also found her to be deliberately missing the point of what many people were saying. She came across to me as someone who was determined to be angry and offended no mater what was, and refused to hear any opinion other than her own.I thought lori (and a few other people) were unnecessarily rude, but this is a bitch board, and that’s to be expected. If it weren’t for that, this place would suck shit, and I think there’s an unspoken understanding (at least among the regulars) that whatever we say to each other here is the farthest thing from personal. Moreover, it’s a great way to vent without having to face any real-life consequences.Reading T’s posts left me feeling the way I feel when I read some of Gingy’s more inane posts, as well as the posts of he who shall remain nameless – kind of disgusted and like I wish they would just leave us to our (varying degrees of) civilized conversation.All in all, I give this thread an A+: A perfect blend of outrage, hard feelings, offensiveness, and hilarity. Keep up the good work.
No, wait – I just got here and it took me a half hour to read all that.I really want to see where this goes!Will Kay quit smoking?Will Frannie start smoking?If God willed himself to quit smoking, how many burning bras would he have to walk over to prove to mankind that the only reason he quit was for us?
And PS, as far as numbers go, this was an incredible feat, and perhaps even a record: in under 12 hours, it went from some piddly, going-nowhere post that was doomed to fade away by day’s end, to #3 of all time!Bravo, bravo, bravo.
Fine fine, how many more posts for the record? Let’s go for it.I do think SOME of the environmental tobacco smoke is exaggerated. However, i think it’s sensible to ban smoking in restaurants. they are small enclosed spaces where a haze of blue would just hang in the air. It was impossible for anyone not to breathe it in. And for a server who spent 8 to 10 hours in it, breathing it in with every single inhalation…poison.I think this also goes for smoking in the home when non-smokers live there.i think this also goes for smoking in the car with kids in it. Perhaps to a lesser degree if one opens the window, to be fair, but still.Remember just as much smoke comes from the tip of the cigarette, and it is is unfiltered smoke so is arguably more concentrated with toxins even that the smoke the smoker him or herself is inhaling.I do know the anti-tobacco lobby is wanting to go after multi-unit apartment buildings next, on the argument that tobacco smoke seeps through vents, electrical outlets, under doors, etc. etc. This is where I think it is quite rational to question the evidence. It does seem a stretch to me. Cunts.
smoke em if you got em , its your health not mine. and holy fuck kay got flamed holy shit! I leave for a few days holidays and wow.
Kay – look it up if you are so inclined there are 100s of studies disproving that positive thinking helps fight illness for every 1 that is trying to show that it might.
I have to admit I’m disappointed, Jammie. If anything should have remained very clear in my posts is that I don’t accept just whatever I’ve been told. I do question so-called “facts” and draw my own conclusions about things given a real life experience of asking and contemplating the hard questions. I’m no puppet. Geesh.
qwerty, I’m highly honored by your intelligence. Thanks for providing a voice of reason.
I just don’t think that choosing the ill-informed “alternative” explanations commonly accepted by conspiracy theorists and “stick it to the man” denouncers is any less conformist or any more free-thinking than going with the majority opinion (if in fact that majority opinion is well supported by evidence; in this case it is. I fully recognize that in many cases it is not.)Choosing the underdog clique is still choosing a clique. There will always be an element of society that seeks to find a sense of identity and a sense of community in indiscriminate alternative groups that won’t make them feel judged; it’s a natural human instinct. And I think accepting far out theories that have no founding evidence shows an impressionability and lack of critical thinking skills. The anger that tends to accompany these kinds of theories is often a sign that the speaker him or herself is fully aware of the implausibility of their arguments and is struggling to maintain any kind of credibility, but is too stubborn to back down. Consistency isn’t necessarily a sign of strength of character; for example, religious fanaticism is pretty consistent, no?
Jammie: “…the ill-informed ‘alternative’ explanations…” Sure.. 95% of people on this planet who subscribe to a higher power, despite any evidence at all, are delusional. Yup. Uh huh. How is an organized religion any different than those who seek alternatives? There’s no proof on either side of the scale unless, of course, you seek God through science and fact, as I have endeavored to do and share with you. Way over your head. I get it now.Your character is showing here, Jammie. You just sit on the fence. You have no objective opinions of your own. All you do is swim up current but you have no tail fin, er, backbone nor belief system of your own.Your statements about me are unfounded. Try again. This time start with, “Fucking Bitch…”
Fucking bitch, I do not sit on the fence. I have stated very clearly that I do NOT believe that seeking your god in string theory is a worthwhile endeavor because I believe very strongly that it is not to be found there. I do not in fact believe in your god at all, despite the majority opinion and thousands of years of writing and worship. I think that hauling out the “fact” that 95% of people believe in it to support your own belief runs QUITE contrary to your self-described free-thinking ways. Which is it Kay, are you a free thinker, or do you just go with your 95% majority?I have also stated very strongly that I do not believe that your stance on the safety of tobacco is correct. I believe very strongly that the evidence fully supports that tobacco can in fact increase your risk many times of over of succumbing to many illnesses.I think your ranting refusals to accept that, throwing out little pearls like “you won’t get cancer from smoking if you believe you won’t get cancer from smoking” shows your character. Namely, that you are easily led by snake oil salesmen selling you a wyrld of magick and mayhem because you are so desperate to establish a “cool outsider” identity as the earthy mother goddess with esoteric knowledge and the hidden wisdom of the ages. In other words, you are a flake.
Jammie-1 Troll-0
In any case, I’ll tone it down. All kinds of people have all kinds of kooky beliefs. I thought for much of the day yesterday that “hey this chick is pretty fun; she has neat ideas; she’s a bit out there but she’s kinda groovy. I’m diggin’ it.” It was only later in the day when, like a rat backed into a corner, or thrown from a rooftop, and knowing it has no escape, no recourse and no ability to rationally get out of the spooky situation it has created for itself, you turned into an irrational, angry, snarling and snapping banshee, escalating your indiscriminate and hysterical personal attacks against all those who disagreed with you, that I got turned off.The cool kooky kay was fun. The alter ego Unibomber kay was not.
Oh, okay, you’re an atheist. Your ideas are even less popular than those of organized religion and science doesn’t support them completely either. If I bought into the dogma of some religion without question then, of course, I’m going with a majority but I chose to investigate alternative explanations for the creation of the universe because I won’t just swallow the pill. How does that make me a flake? The implications of string theory, which is a SCIENCE, actually substantiates the 95% of people who believe in ‘ghosts’ just from a different, no faith in some ‘God’ required, viewpoint. Call it God, energy, Buddah, whatever… just a different name for the same thing… the thing that makes our universe, the same thing that makes our reality tick. But you believe God cannot be found in the exploration of string theory. That’s a “belief” just like any other.About cancer…. let’s look a little at the hypochondriac or depressed individual. Are they actually feeling unwell? Are they actually feeling pain? Yes and yes. Why? Because some bug has got them? No. Because they carry physical weight on their shoulders? No. Because of the power of the human brain! I’m suggesting people use it in a positive way rather than in a negative and fearful way since the body reflects the health of the mind.First I’m consistent but now I’m a flake. YOU are just combative.
“Sure.. 95% of people on this planet who subscribe to a higher power, despite any evidence at all, are delusional.”kay people subscribe to a higher power because it provides them with comfort, gives them a sense of security, or whatever. the vast majority aren’t expecting god/vishnu/allah/whoever to appear in front of them and protect them from danger.again, you’re comparing apples and kiwi. a person believing in god and feeling good about it is a lot different than believing you will never get sick. germs make people sick, and there’s nothing you can do about it.
Sure, I’ll bet a hypochondriac BELIEVES they feel sick. However, let’s talk about joe and jane public, who are happy, well-adjusted normal people. Chances are they rarely think about getting sick, just like they probably don’t give their good health much thought. So if joe smokes, there’s a good chance he’s going to get cancer. And if Jane touches the doorknob 15 seconds after billy sneezed all over it then puts her fingers in her mouth, there’s a good chance she’s going to get a cold. It’s not always about BELIEVING. Sometimes it’s just about science.
About the cancer Kay, I agree that it would be better to think positively as it is in most every situation. But do you have any proof, other than your own opinion, that it helps at all?
kay that was perfectly reasonable post and i won’t argue with it. i don’t disagree with the points you are making – on small scales. i do disagree with ramping them up to larger scales. see my post the other day on quantum physics and you’ll see what i mean.are there energies out there that might explain some things that are currently unexplainable? absolutely. i just don’t think we’ll reach a point where, like star trek voyager, we are explaining god and heaven and ghosts and spirits with wormholes and other dimensions. i think some stuff is embedded in the emergent properties of the complex system of our bodies and brains, rather than in external phenomena. i’m all for an emergent soul; i just don’t think it is a fundamental property of the universe, but rather of our bodies. hence i don’t believe in an after life.does the mind also influence our experience of illness? absolutely. the placebo effect demonstrates this every day. the power of prayer and positive belief also support this. i just don’t think the small effects on pain, heart rate, etc. can be expected to translate to a total avoidance / elimination of illness based on positive thought alone. even the ancient indian people had both a physical side and spiritual side to ayurvedic medicine. kept in context, there’s nothing wrong with a belief in the power of small effects. i just think you take those small-scale effects, and assume they scale up in a much larger way to completely override well-founded physical and biological truths. that’s where you lose me. and even then, that’s ok. just don’t freak out so much about it! that’s where you really lose me 🙂
Frannie: “the vast majority aren’t expecting god/vishnu/allah/whoever to appear in front of them and protect them”You’re wrong about that. Each one of the organized religions addresses apocalypse and being saved from it by way of faith. They also expect life after death.I challenge jane and joe normal to pay attention to their vitality on a daily basis as if it’s something extremely important. Generally, they don’t until they’re faced with some tragedy or illness. If we managed our vitality/energy/immune system with positive thought or joy our bodies reflect that and viola, you’re sick and I’m not yet we touched the same sneezed on doorknob.
I pretty much agree with Jammie. Kay, I like the basic concept of your beliefs, but I think what Jammie says about balance is the key. A healthy mind (and brain) produce a healthy body in a number of ways that can mostly be defined biochemically. There are also practical limits to this too. Maybe that is where you beliefs step in and can help to push those limits into something miraculous. To argue the point from the way I understand your perspective, how much training do you think it would require for a person to be able to gain that kind of control over their body with just their thoughts? Jesus may be the only person in history to have resurrected himself.The monks who control their vitals you talked about can only do that after years of training. So how can an average joe BELIEVE themselves into living longer or not getting cancer without training?It might be possible, but it is not reasonable to expect that from everyone. And the hypochondriacs and depressed people you cited as not having anything physically wrong with them is not entirely true. They probably have altered levels of certain neurotransmitters and hormones that keep them in those different mental states.
Maybe 95% of the planet subscribes to a higher power because He created them?
i’d like to go in a different direction:kay, what are the good things about smoking?
So if your own brain doesn’t completely control your ‘mental state’ then what does? I’ll take this argument to a physical level too. If your brain doesn’t manage cell division then what does? If you shut the brain off you shut off cell division too. HmmmI argued that the hypochondriac doesn’t just think they’re sick. They are sickly BECAUSE they think that way.
I like the buzz.. how ’bout you Frannie?
Yes thanks Miles I meant to point out that depression is a real physical illness; the brain actually undergoes physical changes. To be fair, these changes are influenced by a person’s sense of isolation, hopelessness, sadness, etc. So yes, the negative thoughts do in fact influence the physical body. No question. But once it’s hardwired into the brain, which becomes less elastic with age, you can’t just wish it away.I can’t really speak to hypochndria but I think it is really another form of anxiety disorder, which also has a physical component.
I only smoked for a little whil when I was younger, but i stopped getting the buzz after about the 5th day.is there anything else that’s good about it? that you like?
T… evidence shows when we laugh and are joyful we heal faster. No, not 100% of the time (because most people laugh when they are not happy at all). But, generally speaking, it is true. It’s not “proof” but it’s something that can get us thinking about it differently.
If you shut the brain off, you shut off the electrical signal to the heart and lungs which circulate oxygenated blood throughout the body which the cells use to do what they do. Not all cells in your body divide all the time by the way. Also, cells without a brain can be grown in petri dishes given the appropriate nutrients. So the brain is neither necessary nor sufficient to control cell division.
Jammie, you’re right about that elasticity. Use it or lose it.
As I understand it, some depression is caused because people do not make enough of certain neurotransmitters. That’s geneitic. They need drugs to compensate for that deficiency and level out. So some people who are depressed are physically ill, the symptom of which is the emotional manifestation of depression. But that’s just my understanding, and I might be wrong.
kay “If we managed our vitality/energy/immune system with positive thought or joy our bodies reflect that” ABSOLUTELY agreed. we live in a culture of entitlement where we think we can ignore our bodies and let the medical system fix us later.the confounding factor here is that people who truly watch their bodies and vitality will be doing exercise, eating well, and refraining from smoking or drinking too much etc. so the mental and physical benefits will have a cumulative effect. the key here is that is not just the thought alone that accounts for the benefits.so again, seriously, i agree with the fundamental statement! i really do! i just think it loses credibility when stretched too far and used to suggest that we can just think our problems away
I enjoy a smoke with a drink like nothing else. That’s for sure!
Maybe there’s more to Darwin’s survival of the fittest, eh? Some are simply not born with the coping skills to survive. This happens everywhere in nature except where man is involved, well, since the invention of penicillin it’s been that way. Even way back then though there were (some) individuals who lived 100 years. Some succumbed to early deaths, some didn’t. Some survived the flu, some didn’t. Some survived a snake bite and some didn’t. Some died from tooth decay and some didn’t. Where do YOU think the difference lies?Darwin was a snake oil salesman?
About this “Also, cells without a brain can be grown in petri dishes given the appropriate nutrients. So the brain is neither necessary nor sufficient to control cell division.”Somebody’s brain is sustaining the life in those cells. They can’t survive on their own.
We broke the thread at 254 messages. That’s a programming oversight… a silly one too. tsk tsk, Tim. Hire me!
Miles I think there are probably some people who do have congenitally low levels of key neurotransmitters, and they simply would be predisposed to depression no matter what. I think though, that the huge rise in depression in the post-industrial world cannot be explained by genetics; we simply don’t evolve as a species that fast.In pre-industrial times even so-called peasants who were “nobodies” actually had a real place and a real connection to their society. The baker knew he was feeding his neighbours, the cobbler knew he was cladding hsi neighbours’ feet, the weaver knew she was clothing her neighbours, etc. etc. They may have been poor, they may have been unpopular, they may have been single and childless, but they knew they had a purpose.What kind of purpose does a data processing clerk in a cubicle in a 30 story highrise feel? I think modern life has a huge problem, where people are isolated and lack any sense of purpose. This meaninglessness and lack of real social contact even when surrounded by 1000s of people lead to feeling of hopelessness and despair; in the long term this leads to a syndrome of “why even bother” and starts to manifest physically.