This is to all the moronic bigots who are on here grousing that immigrants are taking precious jobs away from “real” Canadians.
First off, immigrants generate economic activity. When there is a population increase, the added pressure on the community to provide needed services and an increase in the demand for basic goods means that the community needs to hire more people to satisfy this increased need.
Secondly, Canada historically has been an immigration country since the time the English so considerately requested that the land—rightly belonging to the Native peoples originally here— e monopolized for settlement. (For all you idiots who can’t tell, sarcasm implied.) It was more like they raped, pillaged and plundered this great nation and transformed it to what it is today: run by an idiot.
Therefore, a person who has newly come from, say, India and has obtained citizenship after three years is just as much Canadian as some asshole telling him to GTFO because the asshole’s family has been here for generations. I mean come on! Immigrants tend to know far more than the average Canadian-born citizen because they must pass an examination in order to be bestowed citizenship status. This exam tests applicants in depth knowledge of the Canadian legislature, Charter of Rights, key points in history from the date of confederacy, all of which most Canadian born citizens (those of whom exude this goddamned air of entitlement) couldn’t tell apart from their own derieres.
Fourth point: many immigrants come with valuable technical skills, higher education (many time with a post-graduate diploma) only to be relegated to driving a taxi or cleaning offices because that was in fact their life’s calling. Oh no! They are taking your valuable, essential employment opportunities! Someone kick them all out fast!
Canada, wake the hell up and start giving credit where credit is due to those who have spent almost a decade in school and are qualified to be a surgeon, engineer, nurse or pharmacist in their home country should be given the respect and fair opportunity to provide these greatly needed services in our communities.
So what do they do instead when they are denied a fair stab at equitable employment? They set up shop and exercise their right and skills in entreprenurship. Oh. You don’t like it? They’re taking business away from others in the community? Really? It’s called competition. Deal with it or step up your game. Step it up or STFU!—1stJenner
This article appears in Feb 18-24, 2010.
Holy fuck bitches
I don’t even have time to read that one.
I only read the first part of the bitch, but I think I got the idea.
Anyone who’s taken a basic HR course or better yet an HR economics course knows that without immigrants we’re fucked up the ass. Canada has actually lowered the points needed to immigrate because we need immigrants to keep our economy going. Especially since our population growth is pretty pathetic these days.
I agree, to a point. fine, so be it that they may have the qualifications, but another GIANT issue is that foreign investors are scooping up a lot of Halifax prime real estate, then jacking rent prices sky high. Just sayin’.
Immigrants also tend to do jobs that many native-born Canadians now thumb their nose up at, like hotel cleaning, taxi driving, and Christmas tree picking(?). They tend to work harder for less money, which is just about any employers’ dream! This has been happening elsewhere for quite a while now. See many white people picking tomatoes in California? Didn’t think so. Still see American-born crackheads bumming for change on the streets of Los Angeles and San Francisco? Yep!
I think the issue with qualifications from other countries is that they don’t always meet Canadian standards, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Would you trust someone who got their Medicine Degree from the University of Malawi performing open heart surgery on you? Maybe not! If they’re a properly qualified doctor by our higher Canadian standards, of course, but who knows how it works in other countries.
Finally, it’s only natural for people to bond with someone of the same socio-economic-ethnic background as them – it’s what we understand and are most comfortable with. People don’t always mean to be xenophobic but most people around the world are to at least some extent. It’s not nearly as bad here as it is in places like Europe and even Australia. If you think Canada’s a racist country, spend some time in Australia and get back to me.
I’ll give credit where credit is due… Immigrants! Thank YOU so much for polluting the Canadian IT industry with low wages. Your willingness to spend such education and experience on a PITTANCE has done WONDERS to the industry here in Canada (and India). Now you too can spend your $40-60k degree on a $12/hr “career”. And did I say THANKS?
Ever wonder why there are so many immigrant run taxi cabs and corner stores? BECAUSE THEY’VE SATURATED OUR MARKETS! That’s why!
One does not need to be a bigot to know what happened to “professional” wages in IT. The “raped, pillaged and plundered” comment describes the state of our career economy so give yourself yet another well-earned pat on the back.
“Immigrants tend to know far more than the average Canadian-born citizen” then why haven’t you figured out where the hostility comes from? This remark speaks VOLUMES for “your kind” and such attitudes ensure racism runs rampant in Eastern Canada. Keep up the good “work”!
Well maybe if Canadians weren’t so fucking lazy and didn’t want everything handed to them for nothing then perhaps THEY could have these jobs that immigrants have. How can anyone feel sorry for people that are too lazy to get a job, too busy searching for cheap ways to get dope or just too busy having “fun” to get a job? These immigrants have the jobs for a reason ……THEY AREN’T LAZY!!!!!!!!!
Co-signed. We need immigrants and immigrants as a group are largely fantastic people with a strong work ethic. I am happy to see more people of varying origins find their way to Canada.
Has anyone heard about the French man who moved to Montreal and is now being told his 7 year old daughter with Cerebral Palsy is not welcome here because she would be a “burden” on the health care system? This man is well educated and owns a computer company which creates jobs! He is likely providing more tax dollars to the gorvernment than the average Canadian, and is also willing to pay for his daughter’s health care out of pocket. It’s fucking disgraceful.
on behalf of hard working Canadians everywhere… FUCK YOU, Frenchie!
“These immigrants have the jobs for a reason”… yeah, because I won’t spend my $40k degree on a $12/hr job, FUCKFACE! Come from some awful country with a degree and to YOU $12/hr seems like high times. Well, it AIN’T!
Don’t feel “sorry” for us, just FUCK OFF. Oh, and just because YOU surround yourself with drug addicts does not mean all Canadians are drug addicts. Pick better friends, asswipe.
don’t matter to me if they take my job, i’ll be like all the other lazy son of nbitches, and go on swellfare. hey, let’s all be like the state of new york, crazy, on welfare, and broke all the time. fuck, with the crime rates going up daily, i think we might have passed them.
Kay you really need to get a grip on reality….i feel bad for you!!! haha
Where did I say I was friends with these people, they just exist, try reading the paper or opening your eyes while you walk down the street….Some people are happy to have a job and be productive and some are not. Some work to make it and some don’t.
since you’re talkin’ “reality” and everything… MOST Canadians are NOT drug addicts.
diversity people diversity. lol
Kay, I’m just curious — and I am just asking a genuine question about your field, (marketing and IT, right?) which from my understanding has some parallels with mine.
In the graphic design biz we’ve seen a serious decrease in salaries primarily due to the flooding of the market with low-skilled semi-educated amateurs (of all ages) who mistakenly think that knowing Photoshop, Flash, and a bit of HTML is the same thing as art-directing complex print/media projects.
Outsourcing is part of the equation, but in my view it is the blight of certain dubious “career colleges” (many of them “online”) across North America (who take kids’ money in exchange for a stack of $50.00 software manuals) are more to blame for the problem than any other factor. Plus, many of the kids still live with their parents and are more than willing to accept a $12.00 per hour wage for web design because they don’t have any real expenses.
Now we all know you get what you pay for, fortunately my job remains secure (for now) because I have a specialization that I do very, very well. I charge a high hourly rate, which is not negotiable, and I get return business again and again because my customers are very happy with the work I do for them. Also, because the work has my personal visual signature, it really can’t be imitated, or done in fewer hours. So (for the time being) I can’t easily be replaced by an amateur or an outsourced worker. (Actually, because I am a contractor, I AM technically the outsourced worker.)
The other thing is that I am CONSTANTLY upgrading my skills and knowledge, because stagnation is the kiss of death in the “creative” world, as I am sure it is in the tech world. It’s expensive, but necessary for my professional survival—as well as my sanity.
So, yes, things are definitely getting tighter, but there are still some of us who are doing OK even in this tougher climate.
But I am starting to see some counterbalance to all this. In many advertised job postings, the employers are now insisting on specific, recognized college or university credentials, plus a strong portfolio and real references. The amateurs (especially the “self-taught” who I meet a lot of) are being screened out more and more, because in most cases they just don’t have the complete skill set needed in the workplace today.
So, I’m asking you: what is it really like over on your side of things? Is IT still in the same state it was a few years ago, is it getting better or worse, and how do you decide who the best people are to hire? Is there a difference in the quality of applicants, or are you overwhelmed with skilled people competing for too few jobs?
oh yeah guys, just like the south park episode where they come back in time from the future, and buddy says,”their takin’ our jerbs”.
Dear GODDESS! Where do I start?
Kay, immigrants aren’t responsible for “polluting the Canadian IT industry with low wages”. Business owners who insist on spending as little as possible on IT Support, overabundance of “IT Training Programs”, and people making decisions who have no idea about what IT involves (mostly because the term “IT” has been bastardized and diluted to the point where it means nothing) are responsible.
I have a degree in “IT”, I left the industry because I was burned out from the constant upgrades, and found my calling/bliss/whatever you want to call it was elsewhere. Before I did, I was (among other things) a Network Administrator, and I also helped immigrants in my field “take jobs”. Why? Because they were better trained and qualified than people in our employment pool. The courses *I* paid through the nose for to get my job were high-school for most of the people we brought in from Europe and India to do contract work.
One of my counterparts was a gentleman from Trinidad who had 4 years more education in our common field. The same degree I had? 2 years longer for him. Why? Because the standards for professional education *there* are better than here. (FYI: Trinidad? Not one of those “awful countries”, and $12/hour is NOT high times here *or* there).
You can’t “steal” a job from someone who isn’t qualified to do it in the first place. Maybe if we didn’t have a slew of “IT Programs” under-educating people and saturating the market with them (like Halifax was in the late 90s), people wouldn’t have the idea that an “IT Professional” was someone who could create a table in Microsoft Word.
“IT Professionals” don’t work for $12 unless they accept $12/hr. Which means they probably aren’t *actual* IT Professionals, but people who took a course at the local community college, or overpriced software instruction-farm. Businesses who hire these inexperienced/untrained people soon learn that they get what they pay for, and eventually suck up the costs for properly educated people, or find a company to outsource support to so as to minimize their costs.
Obviously your $40k education didn’t teach you anything about how the job market works, which is probably why you had to start a business.
And since I am sure you’re going to ignore everything else I said and latch onto that last statement as “bullying”, I only bully idiots. Enjoy your last few days in NS, I’d love to say I’ll miss you, but I’ve been practicing and my aim is excellent…
(Actually, I partially take that back, the logical kay, who presents good arguments without attack, I *will* miss.)
Ruby, We’re overwhelmed with skilled people competing for jobs within the companies most bigger firms outsource to. There’s a reason Aliant laid off so many IT staff and it’s not because the outsourcing competition compares with in-house development costs for the same talent. Who can compete with such a pooling of resources as these large, international service firms have?
As for “stagnation is the kiss of death”… not true in IT IMO but most “geeks” I know live the job and love their gadgets too but you don’t HAVE to stay current with new technologies to remain competitive, you just need to be able to interpret the white paper of the day without scratching your head too much. Stay on top of the game or don’t. Recreating the wheel (replacing with new design) isn’t popular in the real world anyway. If it ain’t broke we generally do not fix it and if a patch will suffice then that’s the desired route, cost-wise. There will always be a need for legacy system support as well as demand the gaps be bridged with new technologies. These “legacy” skills aren’t generally acquired by reading ASP for Dummies. Besides, if you really “get” the old stuff the new stuff is… very very cool. So cool I can’t imagine where I was going with this. haha touche RubyJane!
A brief peruse of the wanted section will show a list of very specific requirements for today’s IT jobs. They can do that because there are so many who can fill IT positions in general that it’s not such a crap shoot to just say what you want. I feel it’s short-sighted, however, because a good programmer is just that. Give him a new platform and he’ll still be a good programmer.
To answer your question IT help has become seriously devalued, not by Access for Dummies and the like, but by big outsourcing corporations owning all the talent AND resources. When you look at the turnover rate of programmers at these firms it’s astoundingly high, upward of 30%. Canadians don’t like to work for straight-time or no overtime working 60-80 hour “on call” weeks but the outsourcing firm’s international resources lend quite well to such a resourcing “problem”. If that means Canadians are LAZY then I dunno. I do know this will continue because there’s no arguing my East Indian counterparts are learned, qualified individuals who are a joy to work with and so are our Asian friends.
I stepped out of the employee-employer game to get rich and, funny, that’s why I got my degree too. If I had the experience in the 90’s that I do today I would have been demanding $80k/year THEN. Salaries have not gone up, they’ve gone WAY down yet the education and experience required to work in the field has not changed while tuition costs and cost of living have gone WAY up.
See? Like the one who posted above.
Thanks Kay and Gidget for the information about the real workings inside the tech business.
I am still very much in a mode of asking people about the pluses and minuses of their careers, because I am looking to branch out from what I am doing now.
Looks like things are still pretty tough in every market these days, with no sign of that changing any time soon.
I don’t believe for a minute Canadians are not qualified for these jobs and therefore we MUST look elsewhere, gidget. The “work to live” versus “live to work” theme “disconnect” shows it’s head a lot and Canadians always miss the boat there wanting fair working conditions for all. The “international” theme of support providers is very telling as well. This is just what happens when the Canadian says a 60-80 hr week is not sustainable when there are so many qualified individuals willing to do it. Back in the day “unions” were created to deal with just this sort of thing. If IT people unionized we could stop the devaluing of our worth.
Having lived in the area where immigrant workers filled the workforce (farming) for a number of years, and the results thereafter i agree that far too many immigrant workers can and are a problem. Point….22 CANADIAN farmers given two weeks notice and 22 foreign workers were brought in and trained by the 22 being fired. when the employer was contacted he said “i followed the rules” which he did technically. what he did was post flyers on the telephone poles up and down his street, so when no canadians responded he was “forced” to outsource his employees. Is that the reality that you folks are looking for? then, instead of them going back to the country they live in they trickle out into little hives, some(not all) engage in lucrative drug trade and criminal activity. Ask the several farmers whose daughters were raped how they felt about the immigrant workers, im sure that reality isnt something you want to hear either. then all the knifings, the shootings or 12, and see what happens when you get a large group of immigrant workers who DONT LEAVE when they should. Just saying.
Isn’t the issue of unskilled (temporary) labour quite different than that of skilled/professional (permanent) immigrant labour?
One is inherently problematic, for all the reasons mentioned above, plus the added risk of exploitation by the employer, but the other is hugely beneficial for us as individuals and and as a society.
My life would be definitely diminished if I had to live in a monocultural society as opposed to a multi-cultural society.
So Kay where in my post do you read that I insulted any working citizen of Canada? I was commenting on the ones that turn down the chance for employment, simply stating that immigrants will not turn down work to sit on their asses and wait for “better” employment. how is zero dollars better than 12?
I saw the word “immgrant” and now I want to contact Immigration and demand stronger immigration laws to keep them out.
Frenchie, “Well maybe if CANADIANS weren’t so fucking lazy and didn’t want everything handed to them for nothing… How can anyone feel sorry for people that are too lazy”
yep, ain’t IT a bitch?
Here is the experience I have been party to in the IT industry.
1) undereducated Canadian-born people with overinflated resumes are applying for jobs requiring higher education and skill levels than they have
2) companies have inexperienced, undereducated, and or out-of-date hiring managers trying to find people to fit into their IT positions for what they perceive as a massive meltdown
3) the undereducated/qualified people are getting these jobs and failing miserably at them – in several hundred cases I personally helped solve, causing serious issues for the companies which hired them
4) highly respected firms get hired to find *actually qualified* people form a massive database of pre-screened, prequalified applicants from within Canada, and worldwide
5) the bulk of the educated and experienced applicants in Canada are already placed, or are not as educated or experienced as people from other countries
6) non-Canadian citizens are assisted with work Visas, etc. and placed in positions where there were no available (or interested or qualified) Canadian candidates
7) once the contracts and or Visas were up, the non-Canadian citizens may apply to stay in Canada, or leave to go back where they are from
Everybody wins – Canadians who don’t want these jobs don’t get “stuck” with them, qualified people have the opportunity to live and work in our country (spending their money in our economy), companies get *actually qualified* people which saves them in both the short and long term, and any inexperienced folks still left on the job may actually learn something from someone else.
This may not be true for every sector, but personally, since there’s no immigration reform planned, I’d rather see people move here to enrich our communities and provide services they are qualified for rather than hearing about another brain surgeon turned cab driver.
The issue no one seems to be addressing here is the fact that canada’s population growth is the shits, and in order to keep the tax base up, especially to pay for the aging baby boomers (medical care, nursing homes, etc…), we NEED a base of tax payers to keep our funds up. Not only do immigrants pay income taxes (I’m not talking about seasonal workers here — the ones that are flown in from mexico, for example, I’m talking about permanent residents) they also buy stuff and pay GST and provincial sales taxes. They also provide a base to do jobs that are and will be necessary in the future. Almost every doctor I’ve seen in walk in clinics in my ‘hood have been immigrants. Who would see these patients if they weren’t here? My family doc is the daughter of immigrants. She’s absolutely fabulous, and if her parents hadn’t immigrated, I probably would have a family doctor. NGF’s doc is also an immigrant and I regularly hear him raving about how great his family doc it (and he’s always taking new patients). I’ve also seen a few specialists who were immigrants too. Plus a lot of my professors have been immigrants. It isn’t just the low paying menial jobs that immigrants are taking — many are doing jobs like teaching in universities and providing medical care, which only stands to benefit us (because I don’t think we have the domestic capability to fully support these fields). Plus, someone’s gotta drive the taxis and do the blue collar jobs. There just isn’t enough of a domestic labour base to sustain ourselves. We might not see it in this end of the country, but go other places!
AND immigrants often create businesses, creating employment for Canadians.
I’m sorry you chose a field that’s rough, employment/salary-wise, Kay, but perhaps you could pull your head out of your ass for one second and look at the big picture: without immigrants, the country wouldn’t have enough revenue from tax dollars to sustain itself given the current birth rates and population growth (and it’s only projected to get worse in the future).
“FUCK you Kay….Immigrants are here to stay”
This is our new slogan
They took ar Jarbs!!
I’ve never actually heard anyone say that immigrants are taking our jobs… ‘cept on TV.
But I agree OP, especially the second last paragraph.
I pulled my head out of my ass and a guy who can barely speak English is working my old job for a “deflated” salary he thinks is on-par for the industry. He also LIKES having a pager under his pillow, cellphone attached to his face and laptop hanging from his hip 400 hours each month, for no overtime pay. He thinks he’s LUCKY given the working conditions he just came from and there goes the salary base. The “big picture” is described in fine detail in my earlier post.
There is no lack of education or experience here and if it makes you feel better, gidget, I have an American degree out of the Northwest Central Association, which also accredits Harvard. Please try again.
Lengthy, but great nonetheless
Kay, do you mean this group?
http://www.ncacasi.org/
They also accredit grade schools.
And what is an “American” degree?
If it is the same as American cheese, I’ll take a pass thanks.
News flash: if you are not an aboriginal you are an immigrant, just not so newly arrived as first generation immigrants.
kay;
So you got your education outside of Canada, at an institution “which also accredits Harvard”. Wow. You had to go outside of Canada to get educated because there wasn’t anything comparable to what you wanted to take here. So you became an “immigrant” for the duration of your education, and you probably bumped a local student out of the available space. Be proud. You just assisted in proving a point you’ve been trying to dispute. Clearly when you were in school in the US, you contributed to their economy, (maybe you didn’t pay income tax, but you paid sales tax).
Apparently, *you* are not one of those people I was talking about who are diluting the pool of “IT Professionals” by getting a degree at the local community college, and applying for jobs with a resume that touts you as a “Professional Network Administrator” or “Java Programmer” when you are neither. And yes, there *is* a shortage of properly trained, competent, experienced “IT professionals” in Canada – fortunately not in every portion of the field.
But of course, you can’t argue the *actual* point of someone’s posts, you have to discuss something which has very little, if any bearing on the topic at hand. Must be something you learned in “America”.
Ocean, you’re wrong, the abriginals were also immigrants about 15-20,000 years ago.
While my great great grand parents on my dads side & my great grand parents on my mom’s side were immigrants…I was born here.
So that makes me a Native of this place…because I’ve only country I’ve got is right here ~;p
More, well many of the ethnic minorities are first generation Canadians too, thus we are every bit as Canadian as all of you 3rd-nth generation-ers just with added cultural sensitivity and language skills. Just sayin’
Kay, shouldn’t your beef be with the skeezey IT employers that are trying to exploit the hard working immigrants and milk them for less than equitable pay versus ripping on those immigrants with impechable work ethic (who go above and beyond to put in OT, who are willing to be on crackberry oncall and optimize on productivity instead of wasting hours at work on coffee, smoke, extended lunch breaks or playing office politics)?
skeezey IT employers are at the heart of my argument… the ones who work the shit out of their IT staff soliciting a 30% turnover. THESE are the companies with international human resources. They too have the “if you don’t like [the abuse] then leave” attitude fueled by their ability to recruit “lucky” employees from their offices abroad (not ‘exploited’ to live in the cream of the world). They’re all very WELCOME here in Nova Scotia because employment law does NOT define overtime pay and does NOT put limits on lengths of shifts and whatnot (thanks to the fishing community). Setting up shop here to ABUSE IT staff (by Canadian standards) makes perfect sense… another reason I’m leaving NS.
As if it matters but I have an “American eduction” as a result of the accreditation association that issued my degree… NOT Canadian. I never stepped foot in America to obtain said education. The only BIG difference between the Canadian universities and my American choices at the time was COST. I paid a little more and I got my degree a little faster with assurance my entire university career would NEVER be hampered with “class is full” and it wasn’t, that’s all.
melba, “wasting hours at work on coffee, smoke, extended lunch breaks or playing office politics”
I totally resent that bullshit. You are NOT describing the Canadian worker. 16 hour days does not a good Canadian make. In fact, 16 hour days makes well a FUCKING BITCH and eventually a shrewd entrepreneur. If I HAVE to embrace their backward way of thinking “live to work” at least I’ll spend such efforts making money for myself instead of for ungrateful employers who will just replace me with an anxious immigrant anyway. THAT’S what’s happened to promising IT careers in this country. Who should I “thank”?
Kay, I totally get what you are saying just now, and I am very glad that you have posted it. It is an issue very much on my mind these days.
I HATE the “live to work (and be thankful)” mentality that has become the norm in certain kinds of careers, and I think it is extremely harmful to individuals and to society. Everyone needs a way to make a life for themselves, of course, but too many people are in jobs that are quite literally killing off the best years of their lives! This is a human tradegy of a gigantic scale.
Human beings can only work so hard for so long. Innovation cannot thrive where it is abused. Burnout is a very real problem in so many really important careers: teaching, nursing, IT, engineering . . . The loss of brainpower and intellectual potential each year is staggering.
That’s one of the reasons I asked you earlier about your industry. I have heard that a lot of people who left the IT workforce after the dot-com bubble had since moved on to other careers and would never, ever consider going back to that business, even now that things are picking up again.
I am in the midst of a big career re-evaluation myself (if you hadn’t already guessed!) and so I find these discussions about the real-life workings of various careers extremely interesting. “IT” is still very heavily marketed as a “golden” career at all the universities but your comments and those that I have read elsewhere have confirmed for me that all is “not exactly as advertised.”
Oh, and as far as that decling wage issue goes, well, like I have said, there are still some good-paying jobs left, but I find I have more pressure now to “justify” my rates, and some days I find myself wishing I had gone to dentistry school instead!
: )
ME TOO!!! LOL
Far too much here to read it all, although I certainly agree that wages, and therefore standard of living have been feeling a downward pressure due to an influx of workers happy with less pay, AND an outflux of coporations to find cheaper labour offshore!…this has been going on for a century, and will continue. Both are to blame.
In the new global economy, there is no stopping the reality…as the standard of living increases for 6 billion folks, it must needs decrease for the other billion.
I’m all for allowing people to come live and work here…I have spent many years living and working in other countries.
One thing that I did NOT do, however, was abuse the welfare/income tax system by working under the table for my family business, nor did I run businesses out of my house illegally (hear that dump truck drivers?)…
…and I certainly did not abuse the tax system by underpaying municiple taxes by loading 5 families into a single family dwelling and thereby not paying my share of tax…
Nor did I run my trucks with safety standards FAR LOWER than those of my host country. Nor did I use false credentials and fake licenses to teach, or drive.
Nor did I bring with me the habits and culture of my home country that are NOT acceptable to my HOST country.
I don’t spit in Singapore.
Of course NO immigrants ever do any of that!
Just sayin’
Seriously, Kay, I’m thinking Pharmacy or Engineering might be the way to go.
How ’bout you?
sales and marketing, Ruby.
Whatever you end up doing ensure it’s inline with your interests. Earning my degree was not an easy thing. We started with a class of 53 and 12 graduated while 8 of them transfered in from another school. I was one of the original 4 who took it all the way. If I didn’t absolutely LOVE what I was learning I would not have been successful. So, whatever you do, be sure your passion is in it. Nothing worth doing is easy. Good luck.