Ok, she is pregnant and had one glass of red wine. It wasn’t a goblet, it wasn’t a bucket. One glass along with dinner. She didn’t guzzle it down, she isn’t an alcoholic. Chill the hell out! Obviously I do not support pregnant women getting shitfaced! You got nasty about it and called her all kinds of names. It’s her choice in the end. Hell my mother rode a roller coaster while 4 months pregnant… no one ever cared and I’m fine. One glass will not kill it, no matter what you say. —Drinks
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me ma smoked and drank and almost took thalidomide. wait til she has the kid, unwanted comments will ensue
I know lots of women who would have a glass of wine during their pregnancies. One glass. Which might = about 8 glasses over 9 months. Is that really the end of the world? Do you think european women stop having wine completely?? And why is it anyone’s business but the mother? Ya, if she was drinking heavily then maybe loved ones or a spouse should speak up, but if not, mind your own business.
My mom’s doc said it was ok for her to have a class of wine in her third trimester. I believe it’s most harmful during the first trimester.
Thalidomide, PG? WOW. My grandmother was prescribed it, but never took it, thankfully.
Fun fact: chlomid, a first-line fertility drug was originally developed as a birth control pill… until women on it were getting unwanted pregnancies in high numbers with a high incidence of multiples (not just twins, either — triplets, quads, quints, etc…). Then researchers realized “OOOH wait, this actually causes ovulation of multiple eggs, not prevent it! silly us!” and now it’s marketed as a first-line medication to ladies with diabetes, PCOS and other conditions that can affect fertility. Relatively cheap too. > $100 per cycle.
Maybe you should consider the fact that no one knows exactly what levels of alcohol are harmful to a fetus, as directly testing this would be incredibly inhumane. No one knows for sure that “one glass of wine” is fine, it’s a matter of opinion and a stupid one too.
Likewise, I do not condone excessive drinking while pregnant. However, a glass once in a blue moon isn’t going to be the end of the world.
Clomid scares the crap out of me. I’ve been on it and vividly recall being terrified I’d be one of the “lucky” ones to end up with quads!
Im with PK and Ralm, one glass is fine, late (third trimester) in the pregancy. Many studies have said that one glass is okay and doesn’t cause AFS. We are talking about one glass of wine here, not a 2-4 of beer or 40 oz of vodka, there is a huge difference.
In my opinion, one glass on very special occasions late in the pregnancy is okay, doctors have said so, studies have so.
If you don’t agree with it, just don’t have any, problem solved. But back to the Bitch, to personally attack someone because they are making a very personal choice that you don’t agree with is just ignorant and rude.
Is drinking a glass of wine REALLY worth the risk? It may not harm the developing foetus but who would take the chance with what we know these days about alcohol and pregnancy? FAS is a lifelong impairment for those born with it. Surely maternal instinct can trump selfishness. It’s only nine months. If someone isn’t willing to abstain from alcohol during their pregnancy, what does that say about their parenting skills? If you wouldn’t let your newborn drink 4 oz of wine, how is feeding it to them via the womb any different?
No disrespect to your ma pain-sis or anyone else’s ma who drank/smoked before we really knew of the potential effects. I have a family member who’s ma smoked and drank during her pregnancy before the effects were really known. Her FAS child is now an adult who struggles with adult responsibilities leaving other family members, myself included, to provide the necessary assistance required for things that most people take for granted. Knowing the outcome for this individual could have been different if their mother had made different choices is just sad.
i know oceansis, but she did not do it to excess. anyhoo i had a shandy when i was 2 weeks overdue and that was it
OC – That’s sad, I’m sorry you have to go through that, it’s hard taking care of family members.
I myself see nothing wrong with a drink once in awhile during pregnancy – as long as it’s 1 drink. But I’ve never drank during my pregnancy (had a sip of cold beer – tasted like crap – that’s about it – but I’m not a big drinker anyway).
I am sorry about your family member OC but I still stand by my opinion that it is a personal choice. Just like any other choice done during pregnancy, it should be researched, you should consult your doctor and it will be something that woman will have to live with should the child develop FAS.
What’s a Shandy? Miss Pain
it’s beer mixed with gingerale or some citrus beverage…vewy refweshing
Skyisfalling: I’ve been told since I was 18 that I’d have to take clomid to get preggers. I’m terrified to take it because I’m worried about the possibility of multiples. I have a teeny tiny little frame (under all the fat, lol) and I’m not sure if I could carry twins let alone triplets or quads. There’s a good chance I’d have to have a c section, which I really don’t want, but my hips and pelvis is very narrow and I have a tail bone injury the doctor said the kid’s head could get caught on, so I’m going to do everything in my power to keep the birth weight lower than diabetics usually do (6-7lbs would be ideal, I think — diabetics can have 10-12+ pound babies which is just… scary) and with multiples, especially three or four you rarely make it to 40 weeks so a c section would probably be a certainty, and I just don’t want one if at all possible. And I’d NEVER EVER want to have to think about selective reduction.
This whole fertility treatment thing scares the fuck out of me.
I have three kids, and our doctor always said a glass of wine every now and then during the pregnancy wouldn’t hurt. I would tend to lean towards our doctor’s advice before listening to what some of you in here have to say. My wife did have a few glasses of wine throughout her pregancy and all our kids are healthy as can be.
Its funny though because a friend of ours always talked so high and mighty about not drinking or smoking anything during her pregnancy because of her “values”, but all she ate throughout her whole pregnancy was junk food. McD’s , Ice Cream , chips etc. It always made me laugh.
UGH I agree with you, kirbul! Some women think that pregnancy is a free for all to eat whatever you want, whenever you want. Sure you don’t have to be a saint while you’re pregnant, but I know I have to keep my blood sugars even lower than normal so I’m doing the whole strict as fuck diet and only eating what’s absolutely necessary. I’ve been told, too, that I have to be followed really closely by the high risk pregnancy unit at the IWK and medical professionals can be REALLY mean if you don’t do what they tell you to do. Couple that with pregnancy hormones and it’s just easier to stay on track than risk the ridicule 😛 In any event, I don’t want a 12 pound baby with birth defects, and I don’t want my kidneys to crap out and not be around to see my kid grow up (a la steel magnolias… now THERE’S a fun movie to watch when you’re a type on diabetic or the mother of a T1). I dunno, I’ve always said, since I was a kid that I’d eat perfectly when I was expecting. A healthy baby is a great incentive.
One interesting fact though, is that splenda and other sweeteners are safe during pregnancy. I think it’s only equal and sweet and low or sugar twin you have to stay away from. I have a sheet at home with all the details. I always thought splenda was a no no during pregnancy, but not so.
Um, PK- are you telling us you are expecting?? The way you’re talking, sunshine, we just might be able to read that into it!
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tee, there is well-documented research on the effects of alcohol upon developing foetuses. Choices during pregnancy? The choice to do potential harm to your child? What kind of choice is that? What choices do FAS people get? Given the choice to be normal don’t you think they would have preferred the choice of not being exposed to harmful behaviour while their development was occurring? Purposely choosing to engage in behaviour that has the potential to cause permanent disabilities to one’s unborn child seems like not the better choice. There are good choices and there are bad choices. I know which ones I’d prefer if I had the choice during my gestation. Too bad my FAS family member didn’t get that choice. Choices are sometimes easily, sometimes blindly made. But all choices have consequences that stay with you for life. Better make sure they are consequences you can live with.
When a woman becomes pregnant, the focus needs to shift from “I” to “we”. It is no longer just ‘her’ body and just ‘her’ life when it contains the life of another, her supposed beloved child, a fact that is too conveniently overlooked to suit other agendas when in reality the primary rights should automatically fall to one’s developing child who needs the best chance at life. I think this is why some people are offended when confronted with a preggo with a glass of wine. Some voice their opinions. perhaps realizing the unborn child has no voice of it’s own yet. I’m not that confrontational. I would just walk away sad for her child who was being affected in a different, permanent way than the mother by that glass of wine.
I hope, if the mother in this bitch is the OP’s wife that they both take something useful away from what I have said here. I’m not trying to be mean, snarky or a holier-than-thou know-it-all. I can’t say how much alcohol pregnant women can consume before it crosses the line into the danger zone. Everybody is different. Every body is different. The point I am making regarding alcohol is the precious child you are gestating IS worth more than the risk.
OC, again, it is a choice, and doctors do say the occasional glass is okay (provided mom and baby are in good health and late in the pregnancy). While I see you point I still think it’s a personal choice one that isn’t to be taken lightly. And more so, Kirbul raises a very good point about expecting moms that eat garbage for nine months. How is that “better” than having one glass of wine a week before you’re due? Baby doesn’t have a choice in that either..
Point it, in my opinion, it is up to the mom/parents to decide and while you can judge all you want (we all do it), no one deserves to have someone come up to them and tell them they are horrible for drinking a glass of wine or giving a child some juice, or whatever you don’t agree with.
peeps should stfu bout their “opinons” in regards to prego’s..in some circles they’re saying occasional alcohol is actually beneficial ..
Seems to be when in doubt , stop it .
Even though there is insufficient proof.
http://www.amazingpregnancy.com/pregnancy-…
Millions of babies are just fine even if there mom had an occassional drink.
Look at it this way, she could have an abortion instead !?!?!
Now we know thats harmful to the baby !
So lighten the fuck up & give that poor woman a glass of wine.
first trimester, i barfed, second trimester, i ate. third trimester, horny as a cane toad^^
Sounds like an excellent system to growing spawn. Makes me want to do it meeself, painey 😀
I love you miss pain. LOL.
RC – back in the UK a shandy would be made using a pint glass, fill the bottom half with draught beer, usually Bitter, then top it up with lemonade – the Canadian equivalent of lemonade would be 7 up or sprite. It’s a great thirst buster on a hot day, which in the UK is as rare as Peter Kelly turning down a photo-op.
What I do enjoy on a hot day here is the equivalent of a lager and lime. To make that pour a cold bottle of Keiths into a glass, then add about a good shot of Rose’s Lime Cordial, which you can get at Sobeys or SS. After you’ve cut the grass and you’re all hot and sweaty, down that drink and you feel great. You then proceed to the fridge, down the balance of the 2-4 and BBQ steaks and end the night on the deck howling at the moon.
that’s all i drank when i was in the uk…lime and lager. thanks ladies, just trying to be as honest as possible http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/Niv…
I likes the way you roll Baz. Original Gansta (Brit version)
I love you too, miss bread girl!
My mom told me she never felt better during her pregnancy, even when the docs were worried about toxemia. Only problems she had was she couldn’t stand the smell of KFC and she wanted peaches all the time. My dad and my half sister ate all her peaches one day when she was at work. She came home and lost her shit (because you don’t fuck with a preggo’s food, yo’) and made the two of them go buy her more 😛 She didn’t gain a lot of weight either, and the doc said a glass of wine here or there in her third trimester was a’ight. She was more into the rum than wine (hates wine) so she didn’t bother drinking anything.
I blame the formula she fed me, though, for my fucked-up-ness 😛 She said I got enough breast milk the first week. After that formula for me. Only thing that would satisfy me.
She had a complicated labour though, and I was a month late. I still have the scar on my face from the cut I got when the surgeon was yanking me out. 🙁 poor mommy.
PK conveniently ignored my earlier question….
today’s fucking people are assholes and pussies, not to forget wimps. holy fuck people, mothers used to drink, smoke, do joints, and you all came out pretty good didn’t you? or maybe today, you are not allowed to be yourself, and every other kid that was ever born is wrong. whatever the case, fuck those that try to dictate to you. if the doctor says it’s cool to indulge a bit, then indulge. fuck what others think. and o.p., why didn’t you tear tha asshole a new one, when they started in on the bullshit. if it would have been my other half, or a friend, you know i would have been all over the other person.
my olfactory system is highly developed. when i was preggo, the bear used tar shampoo for his psoriasis, he showered, i spewed. i don’t think pk is going to spill her beans, ralmn
People should mind their own fucking business. A glass of wine isn’t going to do a damn thing.
Ivan – I’m heading over to blighty in a few weeks on one of those “old fuckers” bus tours. We go to Ireland, Scotland and England – no point in going to Wales, Wales is the country all countries should have, sort of like an outhouse. Much like we have Quebec and NS has Cape Breton.
I intend to eat everything that’s bad for me, fry ups, pork pies, beer, sweeties, black pudding – I can feel the arteries clogging already.
you can have all the studies you want, and they will say whatever the pet peeve is at the moment.all this is just pure bullshit, to suck gullible new moms to be in. fas, sids, and all the rest. there are other underlying shit that causes them. they don’t magically appear because they are new and reliable. i have found over the years, that people will survive, no matter what.
Sounds like a grand time, Baz – enjoy!
Please Baz, not one of Anna McGoldrick’s “Abu-Graib on Wheels” Crap-A-Paloozas. Smuggle me back a Spitfire in your carry-on luggage. If you make it to Middlebrough – try a Parmo.
Wales gave us Burton, Hopkins and these guys:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjvKZHJeayg
Of course, Wales also gave us John Savage – nuff said.
mmm, fry ups. i now you don’t like corrie st. baz, but it reminds of roy’s rolls. happy trails
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*know*
AAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you’re the best, Ivan.
Fucking Anna McGoldrick. I wanna go on one of her tours just for the fuck of it.
AHAHAHA I just had a thought: LTWWBers all get together and go on an Anna McGoldrick tour!
Can you fucking IMAGINE? AHAHAHAHA
Enjoy the trip Basil! And that drink sounds great! I’ll have to try it in the summer.
I was going to say that Johnny Rotten should have gone that route, but, guess what – He did!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwGp0caegsI
..i reah johnny’s bio..no irish no blacks no dogs awhilst ago…interesting dude..loved the pistols 🙂
i found our tour bus http://www.bolgernow.com/blog/wp-content/u…
..i actually quit a job to go see the premier of : the great rock n roll swindle…glad the job sucked… cos the movie did..:)
SPLENDA IS THE DEVIL. Tastes like shit and is prob shit for you in the long run.
Meh 1 drink. It’s all good. Um yeah.
You only get 200 mg of caffeine a day – so you better quit them Lattes right some quick Miss Kitty!
PG that’s too funny. I’m alll for it.
I have a Dutch friend, exchange student and he showed up to class one day with a shirt that said on the front “don’t fuck with me” then on the back “I fuck back” … he had no clue what it really meant and just bought it for the “english novelty”. I laughed so hard I nearly died.
You’re driving right? Ivan is the navigator. We established this a while back but I’ve since forgotten.
oh yeah, i have to drive. i make a terrible passenger http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-iYGuvj27GE/TJPY…
ok you drive ivan navigate and fat eats.
The Coast ‘F*ckers Tour’ 2011. Lol
…and dancing room and at least two turlets^^
haha ya’ll crack me ahhhhUP! 😀
……sorry to butt in, but……can this bus also have an unlimited supply of sour skittles ?!?!
and omigoshhh, those friggin’ anna mc-hoodee-madoodee commercials drive me bonkers!
oh yes, lots of snacks and libations
and the suckster will remain behind, to gaurd the henhouse. from the likes of mm, and the other one, that’s name should never be said aloud.
Will there be unlimited amounts of Guinness available for free? It might make Anna (and even Annie) more tolerable.
Oh there’s a stripper pole as well (’cause we’re cool like that). Seb’s on the roof btw.
Yes, bro tim. Copious amounts.
…and seats with lots of leg room, plus a really loud awooga horn…perhaps one with different settings
I can go home and mislead you on things wooo.
I call the stripper pole on the bus.
Obv.
Well, that is if I can get off my fat ass and stop stuffing it with baked goods.
Also: PDG is the tour bus driver. Obv.
I’d do it but… y’all wanna stay alive, right? heh.
I want a tailgun turret:
http://www.lancaster-archive.com/lanc-turr…
even though our littlest hobo has driven a bus, he must share driving duties. we can rotate assignments like a walkups ballgame
SOBova loves this commercial and I always think of my dog-lovin’ bitchbuds when I see it, so enjoy…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G7bGBUlx2M
Ivan if i remember my war history wasn’t the tailgun turret the most likely spot to be killed?
Ivan likes living on the edge. It’s ok.
Awww Ivan! That’s so cute.
Also: my cousin’s dog looks like that doggie. His name is Bruce!
He pees himself when he gets excited 🙁
love it admiral. any commercial with dogs in it…we don’t even care what they’re trying to flog. i call shotgun if ivan goes down^^
I call back where the seats are all across the back so I can sprawl out and nap.
Also: tour bus rule number one — NO NUMBER TWO ON THE BUS.
The bus will have plenty of space to do that laying thing.
http://www.countryliving.com/cm/countryliv…
A real tour bus. Spare no expense.
1) Not so fun fact: FETAL ALCOHOL SYNDROME
2) Is your unborn child not worth refraining from wine for a mere 9 god-damn months? WTF!?
BT perhaps if you’re an alcoholic but the occassional glass of wineisn’t going to do anything. You’ll ingest/inhale more crap walking down SGR.
Right you are Anglo & Donk. My nickname in uni was “Tail-Gunner” heh heh (Yeah, I got laid, like….never >: (
*HISTORY NERD ALERT*
The guy who turned me Old Dad on to flying ultralights was tail gunner in a Lancaster during the last six months of the war. He says he was pretty damned scared most of the time and his pilot told him and the mid-upper gunner to avoid firing at all costs. Their job was to keep a look out for night-fighters and warn the pilot to do a “corkscrew”. Their .303 bullets were next to useless and would only give the Germans something to home in on. He flew a couple of “Operation Manna” flights over Holland when the Germans gave the R.A.F. permission to drop food to the Dutch. Very cool guy.
nice bus donkster. where are we supposed to poop pk? happy hump day captain
Happy Hump(back whale) day to you as well, Painey.
http://www.blog37.net/blog/wp-content/uplo…
nice one…screee http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rELR4F15yRY/Sinx…
isn’t hump day…yesterday? 🙂
Not for Miss Pain & I – we both work 6-day weeks. Grrrrr.
Hey Ivan, in my big move I’m coming across a lot of books that I really should get rid of. Does your Sat employer buy books? They’re mostly novels and whatnot. I dunno what to do with them…
It depends on what you’ve got and the condition. Literature always welcome. Popular fiction in paperback – depends on the author or genre. Pop. fiction in Hardcover – rarely. Texts – never. Non-fiction – again depends on subject and condition. Give him a call (John), tell him what you have and see if he needs it at the moment and arrange a general time and day to bring them in. He can be extra picky with people who show up out of the blue, and he’s frequently off-site so definitely call ahead and good luck. Rawk!
do you have any philip k dick ralmn?
We rarely get any Dick and we have a hard time holding onto it when we do. People are always coming in looking for Dick and the disappointment on their faces is palpable when we tell them that not merely have we no Dick, we haven’t even seen any Dick for months. We have to keep our Dick up on the front counter because unscrupulous customers have been know to walk off with Dick in their pockets without paying for Dick which is just wrong however you rationalize it. You never take someone else’s Dick.
So Ladies (and Gentlemen too) If you want Dick that badly, remember one way or another you always pay for your Dick.
this is for my bff too http://www.hark.com/clips/xwxgjtytkg-dirty…
Hee Hee – I’m so effffin’ joovenile. >; )
SOBova says “Thanks”
kathy bates does angry/crazy like no one else, and she can be very funny
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I’d be glad to drive y’all to Rome. All we need is a sub large enough to carry the bus. Did anyone ever find Red October by any chance?
I took her down to Crystal Crescent last summer. Note: the people you tend to see on nude beaches are invariably the last people you want to see on nude beaches
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