How can you make up all these lies and still be open? I have a piece of paper that isn’t worth a gosh darn and unless I move out West or up North I’ll probably never be able to do anything meaningful and worthwhile with it. I am now 15K in debt with nothing to show for it. I have talked to so many others who have been where I have and they all say the same thing, they have a piece of paper but it isn’t worth jack all. You don’t even teach the proper rules or anything really important, it’s like Kindergarten for College Students —I hate you so much
This article appears in Feb 12-18, 2015.
Who lied to you? You! This piece of paper you purchased is not a guarantee of employment.
People (you again) decide to attend an institution (no mention whether community college, university or a trade) and expect this to be a hall pass to a career. Duh!
The business of education is about making money. Today they accept everyone who applies and has the ability to pay (ie get a loan). They have buildings to build and infrastructure to maintain and a portion of your funds go toward these capital costs.
Had you done your due diligence and known the market for your chosen field you would have had a better understanding of what the prospects were upon graduation and face the fact that you have to start in an entry-level position (and not necessarily in your chosen field).
No courses in common sense.
F.Y.P. = Fuck you, Pal
MBA? means bugger all.
you CHOSE to throw your money away.
EDUCATION VS TRAINING
“I have talked to so many others who have been where I have and they all say the same thing, they have a piece of paper but it isn’t worth jack all.” I hate you so much
Your “piece of paper” really isn’t worth “jack all” because you have reduced education to training. Training involves the acquisition of particular skills in order to get a job and make money. Education has nothing to do with that. Education is the cultivation of the mind aimed at nurturing reflective, structured and sustained THOUGHT. They are completely different entities and bear no relationship to each other. To confound the two shows your poverty of thought.
But you are right about one thin. For you your piece of paper is really worth jack all because you have misconceived its purpose. But this is not unexpected. For blinkered pragmatic materialists like you and your friends money is everything and intrinsic value is nothing. That is because you are unable to grasp the concept of intrinsic value. So yes, for you your piece of paper really is worth jack all.
A pleasure as always,
Cheerio!
Ph.D = Piled High and Deep. If you’ve spent any time at all on this site then you know full well that particular thesis is demonstrably proven on a daily basis.
Its sad to see kids wasting their money on bullshit, but without the certificate or diploma they get no where.
Business is equally liable for ripping them off; they are in bed with the universities cleaning up the wet with the kids money.
THE ANTI-INTELLECTUAL MINDSET
One must always remember that confounding education with training is just a part of the larger mindset among some which is profoundly anti-intellectual if, that is, being anti-intellectual can ever be called “profound.” It’s all bullshit you see, it’s all about ripping the kids off you see, it’s all “Piled High and Deep” (oh, that’s original!) because – wait for it – that particular thesis has been “demonstrably proven on a daily basis” you see.
But don’t bother asking them just how it is all bullshit, just how the kids are ripped off, just how Piled High and Deep has been proven on a daily basis for anyone who has spent time on this site. One must always remember that their thinking doesn’t go that far. As a consequence, there is no point in debating with the anti-intellectual zealots who loudly proclaim their empty assertions because – wait for it – they have no mind, no thought, just that – empty assertion.
A pleasure as always,
Cheerio!
I believe the OB is referring to the sudden closure of a specific private (for-profit) vocational school, which, yes, was widely known to be very expensive diploma mill, and not a reputable college or university.
Well, any ‘college’ that operates out of a mall….
As someone who has been involved with the hiring process many times (evaluating job applications, selecting interviewees, conducting interviews, making hiring decisions) I can tell you that having the right credential is important if you want to even be considered. I would advise any person looking for training to look at the offerings of the Universities and the community college system as their first choice. They have instant credibility.
Choosing a private colleges may be a good option but I would do some thorough research first. There was one instance where we had some work term students in from a private college and they were so hopelessly immature and unmotivated that we had to send them back after a few weeks. The college changed their admission requirements after that … and hopefully revamped their program…I’m not sure because we didn’t have any of their students back after that. So, if you are considering a private college, talk to some potential employers and ask them if they accept that college’s diploma as a credential. Also, ask some people working in the industry what they think of the college and the people they turn out.
Caveat emptor!
Before you embark on your career education OP, I think you need to know if there are jobs waiting in chosen field, the prerequisites they need to be hired and where the jobs are. Due diligence as Koda said.
You can’t take the institution’s word as the gospel, they are looking for your money. Somewhat akin to the used car lot salesperson pushing that 2002 Pontiac Sunfire with 200,000 km though all driven by somebody’s cousin’s 90 y.o. aunt for the history of the car.
heh heh. Piled High and Deep refers to dukey.
heh heh
‘Education is the cultivation of the mind aimed at nurturing reflective, structured and sustained THOUGHT.’
Excellent point, Mr. Montrealman.
Education is NEVER wasted. I am sad for those who think so.
dear OB, there are coffee shops restaurants etc crying for people like you. someone told me when we were setting up for Amelia in Wolfville, that it had the most highly educated service staff in Canada, with BA’s needed for busboy jobs , & a masters or higher to be waitress….. Probably full Doctorate to work the cash. Except for philosophy degrees of course, there are special work places set up for the mentally challenged ,they couldn’t do a service job even with an assistant to help them 😜
But they would never hire you.
RE: “Education” vs “Training”
There is a need, and of course, a time and a place, for both.
One should not exclude the other. Ideally, a person could have an education in subjects that promote a thoughtful and informed worldview, AND they would also have training in the skills required to earn a good living in a job or career that also brings a sense of competence and satisfaction.
MIND TO MATTER
But the one – “Education” – should never be reduced to the other – “Training” – as all, without exception, appear to have done on this thread and presumably on this site as well. They are, to use a fundamental philosophical category, ontologically distinct. In other words, one must never reduce mind to matter.
A pleasure as always,
Cheerio!
Mumbles….. I have a job 🙊
Do you get your hands dirty?
Sometimes I do, but I often wear leather gloves.
Unfortunately not made from Atlantic Canadian harvested seal skin.
I also know how to wash mah hands & shower the dirt& sweat off’ da resto me, ya see out here in the wilds of rural NS, we got ‘lectricity, runnin water ,flushin’ toilets an evrythin.