I‚m trying to figure out what‚s so different between justice for Jacob Noonan and justice for Cpl. Kevin Megeney. Both were killed by adult individuals licensed and trained to wield the deadly weapons used to take the lives of their victims. The courts see fit to let Jacob‚s killer off with $169 fine but Kevin‚s killer is subject to court-marshall, 2 years+ jail time (TBA), public embarrassment, the whole nine yards. What‚s up with that?!?
Jacob: http://thechronicleherald.ca/Front/1144484.html
Kevin: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia/story/2009/09/29/ns-menegeny-wilcox-sentence.html
—kay
This article appears in Sep 24-30, 2009.
Because they are two different cases of different circumstances with charges unrelated to each other. Are you really that dense or do you just play one. Oh and BTW do you not know the difference between a car and a pistol.
Tim, “do you not know the difference between a car and a pistol”
Each are classified as “deadly weapon”. Each require formal training and licensing to operate. Both operators are considered responsible for their “weapons”. Hey, if Kevin hadn’t been standing in the line of fire even though the weapon had no business being pointed in his direction he’d be alive today. If Jacob had not been fetching his shoe off the road even though the car had no business driving on the wrong side of the double-line he’d be alive. The difference?
The difference is it’s two different courts, hence the title of this bitch
kay, fuck off!
kay, here’s a challenge. Consult the Criminal Code and the Motor Vehicle Act, along with the National Defence Act and the Quuen’s Rules and Regulations, and tell us what the charges should be. Remember in order for a charge to be laid, you have to prove the elements of the crime. It’s so simple I’ll give you til 5pm tomorrow, that would be 30 September 2009.
Why should I have to be a criminal code expert to recognize different brands of justice for the wee people?
Just how many different ways are there to define “deadly weapon,” “reasonable care and attention” and “dead”?
I’m not crying for criminal punishment for either party. Some consistency to the value of a life expressed by our “justice” system might be too much to ask for, eh?
Oh and a little secret, just about anything can be classed as a deadly weapon if it is used as such. Traing and licencing has nothing to do with it. Further, members of the Armed Forces do not carry licences for their weapons, only for the vehicles they operate in.
Bro Tim makes an amazing point: anything can and could be used as a weapon.
One of the easiest items you can use to KO, cut or even kill someone with is a simple bar of everyday soap. Wrap it in a towel or bag, get some speed or power behind it and you have a makeshift club.
Even a simple book or pocket change can be a deadly weapon.
No, soldiers may not carry a license for their weapon but they’re not made responsible for weapons before they’ve undergone adequate training and that’s the premise behind ‘licensing’… also in the case of getting your driver’s license.
Keep in mind, neither ‘killer’ acted in malice toward their victims, just stupidly or with negligence. Why is the punishment so different? Could it be the court marshall consider their people “assets”whereas in traffic or criminal court the victims are not “assets”? Why is justice defined so differently?
People are not formally trained and therefore not licensed or responsible for the safe use soap, Fat. Just take a whiff of yourself, it shall become obvious.
Well let’s see if you don’t understand laws, and open your mouth bitching about them, then you look like a kay.
One was charged under the MVA, most likely because the ELEMENTS required under the Criminal Code were not met.
The other, surprise surprise was charged under the national Defence Act, which like the Criminal Code set out ELEMENTS of the offence, which are virtually the same.
I bet you think that people charged for narcotics or drugs are charged under the Criminal Code. They are not. Your homework is what Act(s) would somone be charged under if they were carrying 1kg of hashish and 1 kg of heroin?
NGF has mad killing skillz. He’s like McGyver..but more violent.
Wonders what a Court Marshall is.
It’s the guy how takes you to your Court Martial.
I know a Courtney Marshall…
I dunno Kay, seems like a big stretch to make the connection between the two cases. I agree with Bro Tim…very different circumstances, hence very different charges. As far as the difference being due to 2 different courts, I am sure if you were so inclined you could find Nova Scotian examples of comparable circumstances to Jacob that have much more severe charges laid. If you were so inclined.
I’ve “known” her too Fat.
The only deadly weapon is Kay’s fucking intellect…
Remember, the Cpl disobeyed a lawful order by bringing a weapon with a live round still chambered.
Matthew how dare you bring facts into this thread. LOL.
I think what happened to Jacob was a terrible accident and something the driver’s going to have to live with for the rest of his life. You can’t throw someone in jail, kay, for an accident. Read the Canadian Criminal Code, plzkthx.
Kitty, if you can’t throw someone in jail for an accident then what the hell is Kevin doing in jail tonight?
He turned around and shot someone.
The gun didn’t just “oops!” go off. It was loaded (illegally) and he shot it (illegally).
Whether it was a stupid game, or whether, as HE says, turned around thinking someone had cocked a gun behind him–both mean he pulled the trigger on purpose.
Because he played a game with a loaded weapon and someone died as a result. 2 different cases. You can’t compare them. What is your bitch? Do you think they didn’t get what the deserved? Do you think they should have been charged the same? Are you bitching because there’s different courts?
Add my name to the list of people who have officially had enough of Kay’s stupid ass shit.
The reason for the difference in outcomes lies in the fact that one was a civilian court matter and the other is a military court matter. The punishments in each differ accordingly.
The Cpl should do 2 years less a day in Club Ed, and then 10 more in civvie cells.
Matthew, unless things changed since I retired that is what happens.
The driver broke the rules governing the safe use of a car (aka deadly weapon) and killed somebody as a result. The soldier broke the rules governing the safe use of guns (aka deadly weapon) and killed another soldier as a result. Other than the different courts involved I see little difference. They both killed somebody by STUPID accident (the self defense argument did NOT fly).
Oceanlady, “one was a civilian court matter and the other is a military court matter”
I know you didn’t mean to as it would be so un-sheeplike but I’ll thank YOU anyway for validating my bitch, “Different Brands Of Justice For The Wee People”. I’m sorry that’s okay with you and the other sheep. Sad day, indeed, but to be expected from the likes of you bitches.
And Bro Tim… one does NOT have to be a lawyer to see different brands of justice doled out for the wee people versus the “special” people.
Kay, the Cpl’s offence wasn’t an accident.
An accident would have been him dropping a box of ammo,having one of those rounds discharge and kill the other soldier.
Leaving a round chambered and then playing “quick draw” is reckless to the nth degree.
If you can’t understand the difference, please stop commenting.
Kay, show us your literary source that defines a vehicle as a “deadly weapon.”
You are a fool for comparing these two cases. The assorted legal/criminal systems in Canada are far from perfect, but they are based on hundreds of years of doctrines, precedents and principles that allow professionals to examine the facts and distribute “justice” accordingly.
You are comparing and contrasting two different cases from two different legal systems. You obviously don’t understand these distinctions, so you wouldn’t understand the disparity between the sentences.
The legal system is confusing and convoluted, that’s why it doesn’t appear to make sense. But we are lucky to live in a country that doesn’t distinguish between “wee” and “non-wee” people, and you are sadly mistaken if you think that it does.
Kay – you asked why Kevin was in jail tonight. I’ll assume you meant to say Matthew and a remand right before sentencing is dealt, especially when a delay occurs. However why he was taken into custody after months of freedom puzzles me. Perhaps they were worried he’d harm himself and that raises the question as to why the forces haven’t offered him mental health services this whole time.
Now they’ve just announced he got a 4 year term, hopefully it gets appealed as it seems excessive and takes a soldier with a good army and community record and made a mistake in a game being played by 2 people. The other party was certainly held accountable for his stupidity in cocking a gun behind a person’s back. Now Matthew will come out even more fucked up by the system.
Kay: MrMan sums it up quite concisely >>>”You are comparing and contrasting two different cases from two different legal systems. You obviously don’t understand these distinctions, so you wouldn’t understand the disparity between the sentences.”
If you did understand the differences between the two systems you would not have felt you needed to post this irrelevant bitch topic.
Good post, voice.
Part of the military justice system is to invoke such harsh punishments as to act as a serious deterent to others performing the same foolish actions. When any court martial decision is announced, it is sent in great detail to every unit.
well as the old saying goes, military justice is to justice what military music is to music.
Ugh…Now you’re comparing doing 10 over the speed limit (which, yes is illegal, but seriously, how many cops bust you on 10-12 kms over the limit?) to a LOADED WEAPON. And, seriously, where is this definition of “deadly weapon” and does it say that driving any vehicle over the limit makes it deadly? If that’s the case I’m driving a deadly weapon on a regular basis.
If there’s intent to do harm, your vehicle will be considered a deadly weapon, surly Kay is not the only one on here that knows this.
I’ll have to disagree with mr.man while not written courts do distinguish between men(wee-wee) and women(non-wee-wee), but we can talk about that another time.
I’m not “comparing doing 10 over the speed limit.. to a loaded weapon.” I argue the stupidity required to cross the double line is akin to the stupidity required to play quick draw with real guns. We expect reasonable care and attention in both cases. In both cases that didn’t happen and someone died.
I’m not going to delve into the fine print but I understand a car is considered a “deadly weapon” at least under the criminal code where drink and driving is concerned. I understand this is why testing, licensing and registration is required to operate one on our highways. Not so different from the requirements surrounding fire arms.
Neither killer anticipated causing harm by their actions. Why is it such a leap for you? Regardless of which court will oversee the matter the results are the same, two dead as a result of stupidity. One is punished severely. One never sees the inside of a court room.
Maybe you should delve into the Criminal Code and get your head out of your ass. Did you even read what the ELEMENTS of the crimes are (even though neither the driver nor soldier were EVER charged under the Criminal Code)? Again before spouting off, do a little research and then show us what you found.
She doesn’t have to do research, Bro. Not when Desi gave kay her LLB.
How about a thin tissue?
Dino, you forget one can choke to death on a peanut, which aren’t too large. You can wad up a sheet of tissue paper very easily. Damn, now we all have to be trained and licenced to use tissues now.
Shit.
You know people are saying that they feel bad for matthews family. however they will still get to see and talk to him while he is in jail, and in 4 years he will be free. There is no amount of time or any thing anyone can do that will bring Kev back to us. He took away about 60 + years of kevins life. Kevin was seriously a great person who treated evetyone fairly and was kind to everyone. I knew kevin personally for years he died a senseless death while over in a counrty fighting to continue to keep canadians safe so Where is the justice there? How is that Fair?