BE MORE SPECIFIC!
There were a group of approximately 20 men wearing old fashioned costumes (possibly war costumes?) protesting (I assume) downtown.
They were wearing signs that said “Pro Life” and just before I approached them to express my disgust it suddenly hit me.
“What’s with the old fashioned, possibly war, costumes?” and “Why are they all senior citizens?”
I thought that, perhaps they might be protesting the war.. so I left them alone. —Not sure “what” exactly I am bitching at!
This article appears in May 13-19, 2010.
I’m pro-abortion and pro war for pretty much the same reasons.
OP, you’re bitching at anti-abortion protesters. Not surprising they’re all men.
I walked past those stunned fuckers yesterday – grumbling quite loudly, I might add, about who would raise & look after all these precious zygotes they’re trying to protect. And to the man at the podium – when you can expel a watermelon out of your asshole, you might have a thimbleful of credibility.
It’s the “war costumes” part that baffles me as well(Note OP, the word you’re looking for is UNIFORMS). They may have been Royal Cdn Legion; more probably Knights of Columbus. I know it’s been said before but I’ll take the holy mother church’s stance on the sanctity of children a tad more seriously once they start excommunicating a few more pedophiles.
Great avatar Ivan! 🙂
Thanks D-mouthy. I’m either off my meds or I’ve been double dipping. Who cares, If it feels good DO IT! >; )
thank you ivan for the ms. peel pic
I thought our Painuchka could use a pickmeup this week. The episode is called “A Touch Of Brimstone” and there are 2 hilarious clips on you-tube. Mr’s Peel’s dungeon smack-down with the ballet dancer is pants-wettingly uproarious.
the bear drove me to work across harbord in toronto to go to work, there were always old farts protesting in front of the morgentalor clinic(before it got blown up). they held signs that said honk if you agree with us, the bear would get our old mini as close to them as he could then layed on the horn…all the while i would bellow out the window, you don’t even have a uterus! good times
Maybe they’re protesting the dissolution of Prussia?
“Pro-Life” means they felt that Prussia was aborted.
If men carried a fetus to term, then I can see them being concerned about abortion & I could then understand them attempting to change the present laws.
But they can’t so they IMO shouldn’t have any say what-so-ever !
This is a womans choice & from what I seen last week, when I unfortunately had to go into the city, there were BABIES EVERYWHERE ! ! So many women are obviously choosing to have babies & that’s great. But for those of you who have chosen not to, that’s perfectly fine as well.
Men should have no say, until they can get pregnant themselves .
Birth control begins BEFORE conception not after.
Killing an innocent human being is a poor solution for the failure to have responsible sex.
It’s traditional reglia of the Knights of Columbus. And they tend to be very Catholic.
Man, everybody seems to hate protesting. While I disagree with the KOC and the pro-life platforms, I acknowledge their right to activism as much as I acknowledge anti-war acitivst rights also. If you have a voice, use it. Just make sure your message is written properly and reaches the people it is supposed to.
Some folks just love to stick their noses and two-bits into a protest for simply the purpose of mouthing-off, like OB here. It’s fine to state that you disagree with a protest and it’s another thing to poop-disturb to simply here your own voice or to pretend you’re invincible for a few moments. I bet OB wouldn’t be as disgusted or tough-talking if they were in Tienamen Square in 1989. Soon as them tanks rolled out OB would be asking to have tea with the Chairman.
Catholics? These self-righteous dickwarts are pissed about abortion while their blessed church is filled with child molesters?? – a collective communion wafer pox on them all.
Preaching to the choir, TTFN. Surely the church is filled with scandals, but I don’t hold a person’s ideology against them. Catholicism may be strict but I wouldn’t blame the religion for the actions of people.
Don’t even bother, Oceanlady. You’re so fucking misinformed, I can’t even get started.
A fetus is not a human being.
Feed us. LOL.
Au contraire lehova…but we are all entitled to our opinions. Aren’t you glad, though, your mother chose not to terminate your life while in utero?
Gianna Jessen makes a pretty good arguement for those whose gestation WAS terminated as she survived being aborted. (see youtube and wikipedia)
I mourn the loss of a family member whose parents chose to terminate but went on to have another child. A number of my friends who when they were younger chose termination as a quick solution are now haunted by what they really did which was interrupt the life of their own potential child. Choosing termination does not come without some baggage as an after effect. It is the short-term solution with long-term effects.
NGF: A foetus may be defined by law as not a human being but it IS a gestating human being in reality, which would result in a human being if left uninterrupted by the hands of a practitioner. Would you have wanted your mother to terminate your gestation?
i have a hard time wrapping my head around people that think abortion is a form of birth control, it is not but i defend a women’s right to choose to terminate a pregnancy
If she had terminated me, pretty sure I wouldnt have given a shit seeing as how, you know… I was goop and all…
If my mother felt it was best for her at the time so be it. That’s not a great hypothetical question considering, you know. It’s not even a great moral question.
A foetus has no rights and it irks me to see people treating it as a human being with more rights than those who are already breathing. Until that gestating-human takes a breath of oxygen outside the womb I will not consider it a human. To me, the rights of the mother and father and their priorities take precedent over that of a foetus.
And no, I don’t have kids. I don’t need to have kids to have an opinion like this either.
Also: comparing abortion to suicide is … a bit tacky (long-term solution to short-term problem). Can’t even really compare those two for several reasons.
Can we all get over”life” already? The fact that a fetus is “alive” is of no consequence. Its sentience is. A nonsentient mass of tissue referred to as “fetus” could just as easily be referred to as “tumor” or “parasite” and be legitimately descriptive.
Oceanlady, your appeals to emotion with the what-if-my-mom-aborted-me scenarios are idiotic and self-defeating. As an argument, it is intellectually bankrupt. Try again.
As someone who has experienced having my girlfriend pregnant & then miscarry (which is an abortion only a naturally occuring one ! ! ! ) Why aren’t you all ready to hang her for such a dastardly deed ?
I mean how couldd she allow herself to be so stressed, or to get so sick and KILL A HUMAN BABY ?!?!?!?
What, you’ve got no problem with that ?
Why not ?
What difference is it if a woman spontaneously aborts a fetus, or if she has a little help ?
It accomplishes exactly the same end result , does it not ?
As I said in my first post. It should be a womans choice -period-
IF she chooses not to, great, good for her. IF she chooses to do so, great ,her choice .
After all its her body & all you mouth breathers who scream & rally against her having that right. Are you willing to start adopting every baby that a woman who decides to abort, can instead have the baby & you…oceanlady (for example) you take a couple. Get your Pro-Life friends to take a few more, maybe it would be a better use of your time for you & all the Pro-Lifers to get yourselves in line for adoption & let all those abortion clincs know that if she instead has the baby you’ll take it & care for it etc. etc.
Just out of curiosity Oceanlady, how many children have you adopted ?
IF you don’t have a flock by now…you should maybe think about shutting the fuck up & letting those who choose to abort to do so. While you go polish your motorcycle in prep for your next day out ! Afterall its not like you have to curtail your life to watch the kids !!!
@Oceanlady “Aren’t you glad, though, your mother chose not to terminate your life while in utero? “
If you hadn’t been born you wouldn’t know what life was and therefore would not care that your life was terminated.
Personally, I think it would be a lot more helpful if MORE people decided to abort. Population control is only one of the reasons.
I would rather terminate a “life” (if you want to call it that) before it KNEW it was a life than to let it suffer with the numerous reasons people can’t give birth. (Example: Alcoholism, Drug addiction, Poverty, Mental health issues.. the list goes on and on)
I think pro-life people should channel their concern and energy into solving what ultimately causes women to choose abortion. It takes two to tango, first of all. If a woman decides that she cannot care for the child due to lack of money, social support or whatever, it is not helpful to put all responsibility on the woman’s shoulder while denying her options. So unless we, as a society, can guarantee that the mother and the child will be taken care of properly, we do not have the right to force women to give birth. (Yes, banning abortion means we will be FORCING women to give birth NO MATTER WHAT the circumstances around their pregnancy, or force them into resorting to illegal and possibly dangerous/life-threatening means.)
What pro-life people can focus on instead: reducing poverty, promoting family planning, and providing support to those in need. If there were no women who experience unwanted pregnancy, there would be no abortion (except for medical reasons). Until that happens, women need choice.
I often wondered if a fetus is not alive or life, why do surgeons perform operations and doctors medically treat them?
They gotta make that paper somehow.
i’m not saure either,o.p., but i’m all for abortion. the female owns her body, no one else. and if she doesn’t want some fools kid in there, so fucking be it.
A foetus is alive Bro Tim, in it’s natural environment it thrives with life.
To my question to others about caring whether or not they were terminated, the response that a zygote doesn’t care whether it is aborted or not fails to determine that I was not asking a zygote or a foetus if it cares, I was asking the posters on here, who are living, thinking human beings how the thought of their termination makes them feel.
How many children have you adopted More? Unless you have adopted, your adoption arguement is pointless. How many pregnancies and the resulting children have you taken responsibility for? I know how many children I have taken responsibilty for conceiving, birthing and raising whether or not their timing was convenient. BTW: miscarriages are nature’s way of terminating a foetus that would not have survived. There’s no comparison to purposely chosing to stop a life from continuing. When you’ve terminated a pregnancy you’ll see there’s no comparison.
Considering the many options for being intimate, the one that leads to pregnancy, would be the last choice for anyone avoiding unwanted pregnancy. This is where the practising birth-control before a pregnancy occurs as opposed to afterward part comes in.
If a woman doesn’t want the ‘burden’ of raising a child there are all kinds of couples who can’t conceive and due to more women choosing to keep their babies or to have an abortion these couples are looking to forein adoption to find a baby. Surely adoption is a better alternative than choosing to kill an unwanted child.
The female owns her body LS, but is sharing it with another when she becomes pregnant. There is an implied responsibility that goes with that.
NGF, I agree with you most of the time but I am so sick ofhearing the excuse of “a fetus isn’t a human being.” What bullshit! I’m pro choice and feel there are a few valid reasons to back my opinion, but that one is ludicrous. What the fuck is it, then?!! And when does it become a human?????? Does it become a human only after it’s born, then? What is it when it’s in there sucking it’s thumb, rubbing it’s nose and kicking your bladder, NGF???
Pardon my typo. I meant to type foreign not forein.
Oceanlady, do you think all women with unwanted pregnancy should carry to full term anyway and give the babies up for adoption after 9 months? If you think this is a great idea, or that it is possible, I guess you come from a very privileged background (I’m not saying that is a bad thing, but you seem to not acknowledge that your reality is not everyone’s reality).
In an ideal world where pregnant women would not have to experience 1) physical/mental health concerns during that 9 months, 2) reduction in income during the maternity leave (if one was so lucky as to get one) or loss of an employment/educational opportunity, or 3) emotional distress when the baby is taken away from them at birth etc…your adoption idea would be wonderful. But life is not all that perfect, and many of us live in impoverished circumstances.
Couples in Canada resort to internationally adopt not because there are not enough Canadian-born babies/orphans. They do so because the process is much simpler to adopt internationally. Adoption is a better alternative than abortion, I agree. But the reality is, not all women can afford (financially, physically, mentally, or socially) to carry a fetus for 9 months and give birth. I’m just saying that taking away an option to abort is no solution to the problem.
You also speak of the responsibility that comes with the “sharing of her body”. I don’t know why you only speak of the implied responsibility on the part of the woman and not the man. Even if the female owns her body, it can and often is violated, and sometimes in not so obvious ways.
I agree with Oceanlady in that abortion is a sad thing.. For me, there is a very narrow window of time in which I think abortion is acceptable. Myself, I could never do it, but I try to reserve my negative judgements for women who abuse the right to choose; as in women who get multiple abortions, such as my old collegue who had three.
Oceanlady, you speak about the issue of abortion as though contraception was a 100% surefire method of preventing pregnancy, as though women are never raped or molested, and as though carrying a pregnancy to term and giving birth were without any mental or physical health risks. If a condom breaks, if a birth control pill is inadvertently counteracted by some other medication, if a teen girl is raped by her uncle, should she be forced to carry the product of that misfortune inside her for 9 months and live with the effects of that the rest of her life?
I think it’s definitely worth talking constructively about abortion being too easily turned to as a contraceptive method, but if all you fervent pro-lifers would quit with your moralizing and pearl-clutching and put your energy into advocating for better sex education and family planning initiatives, then the amount of abortions would be lessened, women would have knowledge and choices in their reproductive health, and society as a whole would be better for it.
While I can understand some of the reasons that abortion makes you uncomfortable, the alternative you are suggesting is to ban abortions, which is a dangerously archaic notion. A ban on abortion puts lives (lives of already-born people) at risk. After Nicaragua banned abortion, in a span of 2 years maternal deaths went up 65%, and over 170 girls between the ages of 10 and 14 were forced to give birth to the products of rape or incest. Nice huh? Where’s the morality in that scenario?
Like it or not, abortion is necessary to women’s health. Period.
EML, I think your questions about when a fetus becomes a human being is a very good question. I think the answer would depend on whether you look at the question from what standpoint, such as legal, religious, etc…. For example, if you define the fetus as “human”, then they would have certain rights as human, right? If we were to give the fetus the same rights as we give ourselves (with obvious exceptions), how would you make sure that those rights are protected?
Maybe we could define being a human as having self-awareness…then the question would be, how to prove that the fetus is self-aware? Maybe we become human when our umbilical cord is severed and we stop leeching life-sustaining nutrients off of the mother. Maybe we become human when we develop our own “will”, however you define it. Really good question.
Wow meow, I wish I could have put it so perfectly. That was great.
Thanks Newtohalifax! My trouble is that I don’t see it either from a religious or a legal point of view because I’m not at all religious and far from being a lawyer. Not that I’m much of a scientist either but I guess I see it from a biological point of view. If it isn’t human, what else can it be? I do think the fetus has rights, but I see the woman carrying it as having rights as well, I guess the question for me is when do the rights of the mother override that of the unborn child. For me, the bigger the fetus becomes, the bigger his rights become. I can justify abortion in all of the scenarios meow lists, but as the pregnancy progresses my ability to do so becomes less and less.
It’s a cunundrum because I see the rights of the unborn baby and the rights of the mother as being equally valid. Abortion makes me sad to think of, but then so would the death or nervous breakdown of a good woman who was either forced to carry a pregnancy she didn’t want or to stick a coathanger inside her and bleed to death. In some scenarios, it’s necessary for one’s rights to override the other’s. Maybe it should be more a case by case thing?
Another good question EML. I think that it is impossible to separate the biological from other standpoints, because the concept “human” is not a simple biological concept. If you are speaking of DNA, for example, maybe when the egg is fertilized, it is already human. But if you are thinking of physical state, then a fetus isn’t human until it has all the physical features that we normally associate with human.
Another point you raised about fetus having rights….my question would be, who would represent a fetus if the mother’s rights conflict with the fetus’ (as a fetus cannot defend itself)? How would we know that the fetus would like to assert those rights? I think in present society, the consensus is that if one is not capable of making a conscious/informed decision, someone else will have to do it, and in the case of the fetus, that someone would be the woman who is carrying the fetus. Maybe in an ideal world, the state can represent the unborn child, and protect its life during and after pregnancy by taking full responsibility. But that will never happen, certainly in our lifetime.
a good arguement for abortion is to just look aroundf you today. the kids in this society should have been aborted. most will grow old in the penal system, or get shot by their peers anyway. but what about all the grief these little mother fuckers create in the meantime? yes there are good and bad sides to this arguement, but like i said, look the fuck around. and also think of the fathers that bred them, there’s a few fucking winners right there.
Oceanlady I adopted one child. A girl.
I raised her, helped put her through school ( she worked part time & insisted on paying what she could)
She is now married & lives out west with her husband.
I am still 100% behind a womans right to decide.
That’s really the issue IMO.
Each individual W O M A N ‘S RIGHTS ! ! !
It’s just a fetus still, dude.
Sigh. What pisses me off is it’s usually the religious “self-righteous dickwarts” (thank you TTFN, you have such a vivid descriptive repertoire) that are the most outspoken against abortion. Newsflash for you religious nutjobs: The busiest abortionist of all is, wait for it….GOD (if there is such a thing). A cursory search on miscarriages found “It is possible that as many as 50% of pregnancies miscarry before implantation in the womb occurs. Early after implantation, pregnancy loss rate is about 30% (i.e. this is still before a pregnancy is clinically recognised). After a pregnancy may be clinically recognised (between days 35-50), about 25% will end in miscarriage.” That’s a lot of “naturally” or god-aborted fetuses.
I suppose the nut-jobs will say it was god’s will and we shouldn’t be messing with his/her/its business but you know what, god provided us with free will and it should be the free will of every woman to choose the outcome of her pregnancy. If it’s not your fetus, it’s not your business.
Hmmmm more than 24 hours & no snappy reply from Oceanlady ~;)