Stopping me on the street to talk about the word.
Question for you all….with all different religions and their various sects banging on doors,stopping people on the street, and handing out books to passer bys…would it be all that bad if Satan Worshipers started banging on doors, stopping people on the streets, and doing whatever…I mean it is freedom of speech…and odds are the general population would treat it as another fairy tale anyways….at least it would make things entertaining.
Not saying I am for or against it
Hallelujurrr —The Ponderer
This article appears in Jun 20-26, 2013.


op the Reverse Word is awesome. Ever try it? We’ve all been victim to the scenario. All these annoying calls from the telemarketers, banks whatever.. And when they call, i ask them, very seriously, if they’ve ever heard the word of our lord and savior Jesus.
I keep just quoting the bible till they hang up.
That gets you on the REAL do not call list.
Just be grateful these folks haven’t started taking their act door to door
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Although, I heard that the R.O.P. now has a program of home-beheadings for khufar shut-ins.
How thoughtful.
Ivan, don’t forget the drive by acid in the face for girls, and forced buggery for the little boys, the RC church is filing a grievance on that one though.
Do it.
e to see that Andy’s still keeping it classy
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-23…
Seriously Baz, why is this cunt still able to walk, talk and eat solid food?
THE PARADOX OF MORAL RELATIVISM
“… would it be all that bad if Satan Worshipers started banging on doors, stopping people in the streets, and doing whatever?” The Ponderer
Presupposed in The Ponderer’s question about some religious believers’ irritating habits of banging on doors, stopping people in the streets and so on, is another unannounced belief, one which is simply assumed rather than argued. What is that belief? It is the belief in moral relativism, the belief that no distinction can be validly made between religious believers on the one hand and Satan Worshipers on the other. In other words, no distinction can be made between religious belief understood as embodying the ideals constitutive of the good moral life and Satan Worshipers understood as embodying either the ideals constitutive of the evil moral life or the simple absence of the ideals constitutive of that good moral life. In still other words, no distinction can be validly made between good and evil. But is this true? Is it even coherent? I would argue not.
The empirical fact of the matter, of course, is that all civilizations, ours included, rest upon moral principles even if phrased in tired old expressions such as, “Do unto others as you would be done by”. But even secular society, once conceived without reference to formal religion, possesses a vision of the good moral life as embodied, in the case of Canada for example, in “peace, order and good government”. At the level of the individual the good moral life is embodied in our principles of justice where it is equated with rationality itself. To be guilty of a crime, to do evil in other words, can be the verdict only in those cases where the perpetrator was “not of sound mind,” i.e., not rational. So those ideals constitutive of the good moral life are part of our mental baggage, that which defines us as who we are and so the option to either entertain them or reject them is empirically incoherent.
But moral relativism is also incoherent in another, philosophical, level since it embodies the belief in the suspension of belief which, in effect, is the belief in no belief at all. It is the belief in a moral vacuum. But, as at the social level, this is impossible. Man is, at base, “homo credens” or man the believer. To believe is part of his human nature. He must believe in something or descend into a state of psychopathy, i.e., madness. Therefore, the advocate of moral relativism counsels philosophical self-contradiction, the end of rationality and, by extension, the encouragement of moral nihilism. Of course, a brief reading of recent German history reveals what joys moral nihilism brings in its train.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
tl:dr
as they stretch out their hand in offer of saving my immortal soul…
I do as my brethren.
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Maybe you should listen and accept the way of life we were all meant to live. With a positive light upon your shoulders you may have more to do with your time then complain about others.
Try listening OP- its in you to try.
First in line!
(does the job come with devil horns and a pitchfork? will there be brimstone?)
*gets in line behind Meaty, resume in hand* I hear there’s free soul-crushings.
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: Benny (9:14AM)
“tl:dr”
We know you didn’t read it, Benny. It was too long for you and your very limited intellectual capacity prevented you from doing so. But of course it wouldn’t make any difference even if you had since I know that you would never have understood it.
But why did you have to announce it? Why did you have to publicize your stupidity? I think I know. You had to publicize it because your egomania, your belief that any communication of yours even if it asserts nothing, is important enough to warrant publication. It goes together with your stupidity like ham goes with eggs. But I know that you will never understand that either.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
classic montreal dewsh.
Answering your own question no-one else cares about.
oh and I’VE got the egomania????
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movie idea : ‘When Pot M et Kettle “
‘But why did you have to announce it? Why did you have to publicize your stupidity? I think I know. You had to publicize it because your egomania, your belief that any communication of yours even if it asserts nothing, is important enough to warrant publication. ‘
Ivan – latest news on Andy – apparently the PM of UK had a meeting with the Jordanian King, or some other big shot fucker at the G8 poverty rally and fuck the poorapalooza in N Ireland, and they’re trying to agree that Jordan really, really, really promises not to torture and kill Andy if they send him back – this will satisfy the EU Human Rights CUNTS.
I’m hoping that when Andy finally gets home, and the firing squad, who will be masquerading as Shriners, load their AK 47’s that they use this ammo:
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OP, I think you’re on to something.
I can picture the satanist scenario. A knock at the door, you open it, two cloven hoofed youngsters standing there wanting to talk about all the goodness in the world and how embracing their savior can counter that. They leave a copy of “The Witch Tower” which you recycle as soon as you close the door.
BTDT
op freedom of speech is something that is confined to public spaces. If someone is talking about something I don’t like on the street outside my house, I can’t tell someone to go away unless i feel i’m in danger. They’re in public and i’ll have to just close my windows. When they’re in public, it’s my choice whether or not to listen but I can’t tell them to go away because i don’t like what they’re saying… Well I can.. but they don’t have to listen.
HOWEVER.. step inside my house or even onto my property and you have left the public domain and are now treading into a kingdom. A realm where i am queen and my rules, however fair i believe they are, are absolute.
Nobody has any right to insist that you entertain them on your own property. They can knock. Knocking on doors for this or that is an acceptable part of our culture. But you have every right to enforce the rules of the kingdom and ask them to leave.
Now that summer has finally put in an appearance, it’s time for the annual visit by the Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Mormons, nothing says get the fuck off my front porch you cocksuckers like this seasonal treat.
Spitting on a Jesus fish in front of the nutter at Spring Garden and Queen Street works for me.
Poor Jesus – such a good dude with a nice message but such rotten P.R.
The Satanists will be door to door before you know it. Their official name is the Conservative Party of Canada so polish up your crucifixes and load up your silver cannon balls.
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: Benny (06/26, 4:40PM)
But Benny, if no one cares about the answer to my question, why are you responding? Clearly Benny, either YOU care or, to follow your own logic, you are no one. And Benny, it is just being subliterate to place the article “the” before “egomania.” It is a primitive form of locution. But I know that you will never understand that.
: Punky’s Whips (4:40PM)
The title of your movie idea, “When Pot M et Kettle” is incoherent. Shouldn’t it be “When Pot M et Kettle Z”? But no matter. More importantly, you must not confound Benny’s egomania – his assumption that no matter what he asserts which is invariably nothing – with what you take to be my egomania. Nothing could be further from the truth. It is what we in philosophy call a “category mistake”. While Benny’s assertions are vacuous where they are not simply stupid – usually they are both – mine are bare veridical descriptions of extra-mental reality. They consist of accounts of reality as it actually is. But I know that you will never understand that.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
“They consist of accounts of reality as it actually is” – Because only the omniscient montrealman knows exactly what reality is and what it’s made of.
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: Captain (06/27, 9:23AM)
I found your account both sympathetic and accurate until, that is, I came upon the last part when you referred to reality “and what it’s made of.” I must say that I found this construction to be incoherently materialistic. I am a philosopher and not a geologist. To speak philosophically of reality being “made of” something, therefore, is meaningless.
But I suppose you’re still smarting over our last encounter which is perfectly understandable in view of my demolition of your position which radically misconceived my account of the role of the male’s imagination in the mating dance. I trust, with time, that you will recover.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
I see that you’re confused again.
You see, it is not an issue of what reality is, or what it consists of, but rather it is an epistemological issue. How does montrealman know, unequivocally, what reality is? Where is his evidence to support his view of reality? Unfortunately, I believe, his claims are equivalent to a fart in the wind; Intangible, without substance, and gone as soon as the next waft of warm air blows in to displace it.
There is, however, evidence to support montrealman’s incoherency. Why does he tell us he’s not a geologist? It’s such a painfully obvious fact that he may as well tell us he’s not a physicist, or not a hairdresser, or not a circus clown, or not relevant… As well, he refers to our last encounter as a ‘win’ for him. This would be due to his misconception of the point of our last encounter. Due to montrealmans inability to interpret others properly, he cannot effectively read and respond to what others are actually trying to say, instead only responding to what he thinks others are saying. I know he will never understand this.
When they come to my door I tell them, “Well my girlfriend just left, took half my stuff, Im getting laid off, the rent is up I cant pay…now what do YOU want?”
Works every time!
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: Captain (06/27, 12:53AM)
” How does Montreaman know, unequivocally, what reality is? Where is the evidence to support his view of reality?” Captain
While initially coherent in his claim that the question as to what reality is is an epistemological issue, Captain has failed to understand that epistemology is parasitic on ontology, the nature of reality itself. The two cannot be separated. What is to count as knowledge, as grounds for one’s truth claims, depends upon one’s conception of that in respect to which such knowledge claims are made. But Captain will never understand this.
As expected, Captain has a materialistic conception of both ontology and epistemology when he demands “evidence” to support my view. What would such “evidence” look like? Is it empirical evidence? Is it measureable or quantifiable in some sense? Evidence based upon rationality? Who knows? He goes on, self-refutingly, to provide no evidence for his claim that my claim is “equivalent to a fart in the wind.” Where’s the evidence? Could it be that the demand for such “evidence” is itself misplaced, is internally incoherent? I know that he will never understand this.
Incoherently in view of the fact that Captain is unable to provide some conception as to what would count as evidence or even what the thing would look like, he then goes on to assert that my claim that I am not a geologist constitutes evidence to the effect that I am incoherent. How does he know this? On what evidential grounds does he make the attribution? Surely one’s occupation is irrelevant to the veracity of one’s truth claims but, unsurprisingly, irrelevance as with so much else seems to have escaped Captain’s conscious awareness. I know that he will never understand this.
In the same vein Captain concludes with the airy global assertion that I am “unable to interpret others properly” but – wait for it – he gives no evidence to support the claim. Captain fails to grasp the fundamental epistemological point that one must support one’s assertions with evidence if such assertions are to have any substance. I know that he will never understand this.
In conclusion he utters another howler in claiming that I don’t respond to what others are trying to say, only to what I think they are saying. But on what other grounds, pray tell, is it ever possible for one to respond to anything at all? But Captain is silent on the issue. He is unable to resolve the conundrum. I know that he will never understand this.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
Another fart that holds no evidence to support your claim of understanding reality.
“…one must support one’s assertions with evidence if such assertions are to have any substance”
What makes montrealman the sole Bitcher who can interpret reality? I have a sinking feeling the evidence will not be forthcoming, as it probably doesn’t exist.
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: Captain (06/27, 4:35PM)
“Another fart that holds no evidence to support your claim of (sic) understanding reality.”
Read the second paragraph of my post of (06/27, 3:43PM) over again. You demand “evidence” to support my claim to understand “reality” and I ask, “What would such evidence look like? Is it empirical evidence? Is it measurable or quantifiable in some sense? Evidence based upon rationality? Who knows?” It is impossible to answer your charge unless you clarify what you understand by “evidence”. So that’s your first task: What, in your view, would count as “evidence” to refute my claim to understand reality?
Now, go back to my first paragraph where I pointed out that “epistemology is parasitic on ontology, the nature of reality itself. The two cannot be separated.” Do you see it? Do you understand it? Do you know what it means? It means that what is to count (or not) as evidence for any epistemological claim – any knowledge claim – depends upon that in respect to which such knowledge claims are made. But what it that in respect to which knowledge claims are made? It is called “reality.” So that is your second task: You must give an account of your conception of reality itself.
I await your substantive reply to both tasks with anticipation where by “substantive”, I mean an honest attempt to engage the question(s) and not simply an empty retort which, sadly, is what I’m expecting.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
You’re the one with the evidence (or not), not I. How am I supposed to know its format? You’re the one who’s made the knowledge claim, so, what’s your evidence? I can’t dictate its form, so don’t ask me what your own evidence is. That’s your responsibility.
“You must give an account of your conception of reality itself.” – Yeah, that’s partially what I’ve been asking of you. So you’ll just turn the question around on me to avoid answering it? Weak…
But, I’ll try…
Reality: Dictated by the culmination of exchanges of energy, matter, and information between all energy, matter, and information. Substantiated, although not reliant upon, interpretation by all levels of consciousness and their feedback via energy, matter, and information exchanges. Arising through modes and habits formed by sequential exchanges of energy, matter, and information.
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Ivan – midday prayers at the ROP are called Jumble Sale??
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: Captain (06/28, 12:39PM)
The Philosophy Exam: Part A: What is Evidence? (50%), Part B: What is reality? (50%)
Part A: As I expected, in spite of the fact that you were the one who continually demanded evidence you were unable to specify what it was. Contrary to what you assert, it is YOUR responsibility since, to repeat, you were the one who continually demanded evidence. That is being incoherent. You cannot demand evidence from somebody for something if you don’t know what the evidence would look like. Mark: 0/50
Part B: At least you tried to give a definition of reality but, and also as I expected, you have a physicalist or materialist interpretation. Your concept of reality reduces in effect to “matter, energy and information”. But look at your attempt to explain reality itself. Would you call that simply matter, energy and information”? Of course not. Matter, energy and information are passive where your attempt to explain reality was active. What is missing? Your mind is missing. You seem to nibble at the notion of mind by reference to “interpretation” but give primacy to brute matter, energy and information. Put differently, your physicalist interpretation of reality is impotent to explain reality since it is a philosophical concept necessarily engaging BOTH the mind and matter. It is not a physicalist concept “simpliciter” as we say in Latin. Mark: 25/50
Not bad. Low perhaps but it’s a start.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!
WHAT IS REALITY?
“concept, n., idea of a class of objects, general notion.” (The Concise Oxford Dictionary)
The line to Captain seems to have gone dead after my reply of 06/28, 4:36PM where I graded him poorly on his answers to the questions, (1) What is Evidence? and (2) What is Reality? In the spirit of collegiality I hereby submit my own answers to the two questions which, of course, Captain is free to critique.
In my post of 06/27, 3:43PM I made a crucial point. I said that “epistemology is parasitic on ontology, the nature of reality itself.” Since evidence is that brought forward in support of one’s truth claims, it is epistemological in nature. Reality, on the other hand, is ontological. The consequence is that the question of ontology, of reality itself, must be engaged before one engages that of evidence. So, what is reality?
John is looking out the window. Mary asks him, “What are you looking at?” John replies, “I’m looking at reality.” Mary replies, “But that’s incoherent.” Mary is right, but why? Mary is right because reality is not an object, it is a CONCEPT. But what is a concept? As the COD points out, a concept consists of the IDEA of a class of objects but is not an object itself. It resides at a higher ontological order, that of the IDEA. That’s a HIGHER ontological order and not, as Captain’s definition maintained, a LOWER or physicalist one. In other words, a concept is like a pair of glasses: One looks THROUGH them at something else, an object or an activity. However, it is only by virtue of the concept that the object or activity is made meaningful, that, in the words of the COD, they are seen to belong to a class of objects or activities. Further, one cannot scrutinize one’s glasses while in the act of looking through them at something else. This is to attempt an impossible reflexive feat. One can only scrutinize a concept WHILE RELYING UPON ANOTHER CONCEPT TO DO SO. So where does this leave “evidence”?
I put the word “evidence” in quotation marks because, in relation to a concept, such “evidence” is incoherent. It is meaningless. To speak of “evidence” in relation to a concept is like attempting to scrutinize one’s spectacles while in the act of looking through them at something else. In other words, the concept of evidence, while applicable to empirical matters where quantification or measurement of some sort is relevant to their truth or accuracy, is not applicable to a concept itself. For example, as I’m sure you would all agree, my posts exhibit a high level of intelligence. One reads them AS evidence of my high level of intelligence. But my posts do not bear on the CONCEPT of intelligence itself for it is only by virtue of the PRIOR POSSESSION of the concept of intelligence that you, the reader, upon reading my posts, bestows upon me the attribute of high intelligence.
One last word: Some might claim that I am being a solipsist, that the only reality is the world of ideas that exists in my head, but this is not so. I posit the existence of an extra-mental reality but, and this is important, one cannot adjudicate the correspondence of such reality and one’s concepts without reference to a further, still higher concept whatever that might look like. Nevertheless, it is only by virtue of my concepts that the world of extra-mental reality is made intelligible to me.
A pleasure as always.
Cheerio!