Next time you are planning to go to this pub downtown, remember your ID, even if you don’t plan on drinking. That’s right. Here I am, a 29 year old, and I was asked to leave because I didn’t have my ID on me. Apparently, you aren’t even allowed to be IN there without one. The fucked up thing is, I have been in there about ten times before and never had this problem. I’m sure I was older than the one who waited on me for fuck sake. I asked them when they started this, and the waitress proceeded to tell me that rule was always in place. Well, that’s total bullshit. Because I have been in there multiple times before, without my ID, because I wasn’t drinking, and I was never asked for it. They don’t even have it posted on the door or anywhere else. That’s the way customers want to be treated. Get in there and sit down and be asked to leave because of a new rule that they all of a sudden have, that no one even knows about. I know a dozen pubs where you can go to eat and not have your ID and not worry about it because you aren’t drinking. For fuck sake. You think for such a well liked Pub, they would treat their customers better.
—Pissed off customer
This article appears in Feb 4-10, 2010.
Who doesn’t carry ID with them?
And just because the law/rule hasn’t been enforced, doesn’t mean it wasn’t in place.
who ditches common sense at the beginning of their shift?
i always thought there was a a cut off time where you had to have ID to be in a pub, like after they stop serving food.
Nova Scotia has the most retarded laws regarding drinking I’ve ever witnessed in my life. I especially enjoy being asked my birthdate and sign when I go to get wings at 5 in the afternoon (WITH ID). Or another gem is when you go into the liquor store and get ID’d by 2 or 3 different people (who have all seen you in there a dozen of times over the past few months) – security guard cuts you off on your way to the beer, random employee id’s you, and then you get id’d at the counter.. fucking annoying. Last night the guy at the liquor store asked me for ID after I’d already paid for my beer and he gave me my change and was bagging it up. I felt like taking my ID and my beer and telling him i was only 17.
That’s not a “new ID law”. I’m pretty sure that the law requires everyone on the premises of a fully licensed bar/club to have ID proving they are of legal age, or in the case of a pub, (as Neville commented) after 7PM or something (not sure exactly the cutoff).
If you don’t have it and the liquor inspector happens to show up and starts ID-ing people (which does happen) the bar can get into huge trouble. They could have to pay large fines, or even lose their liquor license. If the pub didn’t ID you in the past that’s their bad, but they are supposed to. They have to, to protect themselves.
Just take your ID with you when you go to places that serve alcohol. I thought everyone knew that.
Who doesn’t keep one piece of ID on them? At least your driver’s license? This person is the same type of dumbass that drives without it, then gets caught, and whines incessantly to the cop who pulls them over. You get what you deserve.
I think there is a cut off time where you do need one … and as far as I know that’s been in place a while. Same thing happened to me a few weeks back – I was at a pub/resto I frequent and got id’d even after ordering a water. Being 27 and female I was flattered – but then again, I had my ID.
yes whilst it’s a little obsessive to card a 29 year old; don’t you carry a wallet?
It just sucks when you get caught that one off time when someone in your group doesn’t have it. The alehouse made us leave at 1 in the afternoon because my 30-something year old friend didn’t have his ID a few years ago.
I work at a pub downtown, likely the one you’re talking about. Anyway, this is not a new law. We cannot have anyone underage in the pub after 9 pm, and it doesn’t matter if you are drinking or not. We don’t kick you out because we don’t believe you are legal age. If the liquor inspector comes in and catches you, we will be fined. So that my friend is why you are turned away without an ID. Who goes around without any form of identification anyway?
Everyone should always carry ID, specially in Preston, Sackville, and Spryfield. If you end up dead, wouldn’t you like to be ID’d so your family can be notified asap?
Problem is, though, that they don’t (cannot?) accept “any form of identification.” I’m WAY beyond the age of needing an NSLC ID, but without it, I have been asked to leave certain bars in this city. My NS Driver’s Licence, with B/D and pic, is not enough… my Canadian Passport is not enough…
i would honestly say i probably leave my house w/o ID around 30% of the time… visa(or cash), cell and keys is all i need… and yes, a bunch of times i’m s.o.l. when i end up in a bar/pool hall/etc… so i sympathize.
Nic 10 is spot on. Don’t bitch at the club, bitch at the government that enacted the law. If an inspector asks for an ID and a patron doesn’t have one, then the inspector can close the club for at least that night and maybe longer and all the employees lose wages. So to avoid any hassles carry your damn ID.
But isn’t the purpose of the law about ID in bars about AGE identification, not “are you who you say you are” identification?
If a person’s age is in question, then obviously the bar staff have to ask for proof of age. But if a person is very obviously over the age of 19, ie if they are in their 30’s, 40s, . . . 90s . . . then it doesn’t make sense to ask for ID just to see if they are carrying it.
Nah, bitch at the club. The law says they can’t serve liquor to minor’s. It doesn’t say they have to Gastapo their customers or leave common sense out of their business practice. The protocol is not dictated to them in such a way. Doesn’t it always come down to a paper trail? There’s nothing to substantiate a fine of serving liquor or permitting access to minor’s if during due process it’s determined the guy is 29. Bottom line: the establishment doesn’t give a rat’s ass what you think of their policy.
Wish I was EVER carded anywhere 🙁
“”Don’t bitch at the club, bitch at the government that enacted the law.”‘
Bro Tim, I’m not doubting you, but are you sure there is an actual “law” that says one must carry around ID (to go in a pub) or is it that the law just says one must BE 19+, and it’s the club’s rule that you must be able to prove it? I can’t seem to easly find a link for clarifying that.
In the UK, the “must have proof of age card” thing is often used by bouncers to selectively discriminate against certain people in the queue to get in…whatever ID you have, they’ll say it’s “not enough” if they don’t want ‘your kind” in ‘their” club.
But a law that says you MUST carry an ID, are you sure? Even an old man like myself? If so, what’s the cut-off age do you think?
bar’ policy, or the “LAW”…?
The diffrerence is subtle, but distinct.
Really! They’re just being pricks. Check out the ‘Minors in Licensed Premises’ section:
http://www.gov.ns.ca/JUST/regulations/regs…
frosty, I think you must have either cash or ID on you to not be ‘vagrant’.
argyle st. has seen enough underage slober to have sunk atlantis. they took hundreds of my honestly earned sixteen year old dollars, now i’m an adult with a little more sense and i get treated like a con man if i forget my id?
GO FECK Y’SELVES!!!
I’m so tired of you morons that don’t take your ID to liquor stores, bars, beer tents at concerts, etc. and then complain when someone asks to see ID because it’s part of their job. It’s common sense if you’re in your 20s.
Wheatgerm, are they just supposed to take you on your word? Feck off yourself, captain.
Again, why would you leave your ID home? Even if you take one of those dumbass card holders, I’m sure you have enough room in there for your provincial photo ID/Driver’s license. You just don’t forget your ID. You just decide not to take it. If you get booted for something like going into bar and not having an ID, you deserve it.
Still can’t find any “law” that demands that everyone in a NS pub MUST be in possesion of an ID. I smell BS…or more likely, more of the same from people like Dr Fever who loves to make his best guess turn into fact with out backing it up…
Right to determine name and address
112 Any Provincial Police constable or other officer, having in pursuance of the authority conferred by this Act, entered any licensed or unlicensed premises may demand the name and address of any person found therein, and if such person refuses to give his name and address, or if the inspector, constable or other officer has reasonable grounds to believe that the name or address given is false, he may examine the person further as to the correctness of the name or address, and if the person fails upon demand to give his name or address, or to answer satisfactorily the questions put to him, he shall be deemed guilty of a violation of this Act and the inspector, constable or other officer may arrest him without warrant and prosecute him for such violation of this Act. R.S., c. 260, s. 112.
from http://www.gov.ns.ca/legislature/legc/stat…
Licensed establishments risk being closed
(Order closing premises
135 (1) Upon a conviction being had against any person for a violation of this Act, a judge of the provincial court in writing may order a chief of police or any constable to close, and the chief of police or constable shall close by means of seals, padlocks or otherwise any hotel, restaurant, house, residence, apartment, suite, building or premises in which or in respect of which, during the twelve months immediately preceding the making of such order, two other violations of this Act have been committed for which the same or any other person or persons were convicted. …..)
if their patrons can not provide proof of identification (and therefore age above the majority, I’ll leave it to you to comb through the act, its all there), business just use the Drivers Licnese but I’m sure a passport of similiar will do (I’ve used my Firearms License for kicks sometimes) but the main thing to remember is that these are private businesses so if they don’t want you there, they can ask you to leave.
Cranky, bouncers aren’t cops. According to the Liquor Control Act the business is limited to having to do this (look close… nowhere does it outline protocol for verifying a patron’s age nor does it require patrons carry ID):
Minors in Licensed Premises
Duty to prevent liquor being sold to, served to or consumed by minors
44 (1) A licensee must ensure that a person who is under 19 years old is not sold, supplied or given liquor in their licensed premises.
(2) A licensee must ensure that a person who is under 19 years old does not consume liquor in their licensed premises.
When accompanied minor may be in tavern, lounge, beverage room or cabaret
45 Except as prohibited in Section 47, a person who is under 19 years old may enter and be in a premises for which a tavern license, beverage room license, lounge license or cabaret license is in effect until 9:00 p.m. if all of the following conditions are met:
(a) the person is accompanied at all times by a parent, legal guardian or spouse who is 19 years old or older;
(b) full meal service is provided in the licensed premises;
(c) the person enters the licensed premises for the purpose of eating a meal.
Minor entertainer may be in tavern, lounge, beverage room or cabaret if authorized
46 (1) Except as prohibited in Section 47, a person who is under 19 years old may enter and be in a premises for which a tavern license, beverage room license, lounge license or cabaret license is in effect if the licensee applies to the Minister for authorization and the Minister authorizes the minor to do so to provide entertainment at the premises.
(2) A licensee may apply for an authorization under subsection (1) by submitting all of the following at least 5 days before the proposed entertainment will take place:
(a) a completed application form;
(b) the written consent of the parent or legal guardian of the minor entertainer for the minor to provide entertainment at the premises on the proposed date.
(3) A minor entertainer who is authorized under this Section to provide entertainment must be accompanied by one of the following while in the licensed premises:
(a) their parent;
(b) their legal guardian;
(c) a person over 19 years old who is designated in writing by the minor’s parent or legal guardian as responsible for the minor.
Minors not permitted in premises if adult entertainment presented
47 A licensee must not permit a person who is under 19 years old to enter or be in a licensed premises while adult entertainment is presented in the licensed premises.
Duty to ensure minor does not dispense liquor
48 (1) Except as provided in subsection (2) for an eating establishment, a licensee must ensure that liquor is not dispensed by an employee who is under 19 years old.
(2) An eating establishment licensee may permit an employee who is under 19 years old to serve liquor at a customer’s table.
(Big apology if this doesn’t format so well on the board)
I’m only 24, but never get IDed at the Licker Store. How insulting! Apparently I look older than I actually am.
K, the bouners check ID on the off-chance that ‘the cops’ or a liquor inspector makes an unannounced vistit. I was at The Shoe Shop one night and got to watch a inspector of some sort do a head count accompanied by two cops, probably something to do with the building occupancy regulations for the building.
Funny thing, I was at a “Red” tavern once witha large group, having wings and beer, after ball, and as 9pm approached the waiter (same waiter that had been serving me liquor) came over to say I would have to leave soon. Didn’t even ask for ID, just that I would have to leave. Sure bud, right after I finish this pitcher!
Cranky, the point is it’s not illegal nor cause for an establishment to “lose their liquor licence” if a person is in their establishment without ID. It matters only that the person is a minor… or not. Due process allows for clarification to validate a charge, if any. Yes, if a bouncer checks ID they can be fairly sure the patron is not underage but if that ID is fake and a liquor inspector notices the bar is STILL going to lose their license for serving a minor no matter what their ID said (due process works both ways.) Like I said, hope the bouncer brings some common sense to work… if the guy looks 40 shut your pie-hole and open the damn door for him because it’s not really your business if the guy carries ID or not… the bar will NOT lose their license for serving him with or without ID.
Think of it this way… it’s not illegal to sell cigarettes or lottery tickets to a person without ID. It is illegal only to sell to a minor. How you go about determining that is entirely up to you. Having an “ID everybody” clause works, of course, but it’s downright HOSTILE and that is usually very bad for business.
If there’s one thing I’ve learned about the HRM is somehow the worst run, dirtiest, smelliest businesses stay afloat. They’re supported by the seediest patrons who obviously love the abuse.
“Think of it this way… it’s not illegal to sell cigarettes or lottery tickets to a person without ID”
If you get asked for your ID, and you don’t have it, you don’t get a lottery ticket or pack of smokes.
‘lorilulu’, you must have been pretty smashed!
You should have told him “I juss… I juss… juss wannid to say I think yur cute HICCUP! Please, juss… juss lemme ‘ave anudder drink.”
“argyle st. has seen enough underage slober to have sunk atlantis. they took hundreds of my honestly earned sixteen year old dollars, now i’m an adult with a little more sense and i get treated like a con man if i forget my id?
GO FECK Y’SELVES!!!’
you’re a fool. seriously.
oh, and congrats on having shitty parents who let you go out drinking at bars when you were 16yrs old.
Snap, “If you get asked for your ID, and you don’t have it, you don’t get a lottery ticket or pack of smokes.”
No SHIT. The point is the seller is not REQUIRED by law to solicit ID from every customer!!!! And certainly not from customers who OBVIOUSLY meet the criteria!!! If you look 40 and somebody cards you they’re BEING DICKS!
Brick wall anybody? Holy cow!
Wow Kay… Take some Midol and chill the fuck out
Ya beat me to it, Mind Snap. Best Midol reference I’ve heard in years.
Goddam it, it was actually getting nice around here, what with all the Loves mistakenly posted as bitches, the logical discussions, I knew this uptopia couldn’t last.
Welcome back, kay… (and I am actually NOT being *completely* sarcastic).
LOL
kay is the OP? this makes so much sense now.
bitch, what is wrong with you? lololol
Kay, the OP is 29, not 40. Some 29 year old ladies can look like they are in their early 20’s which puts them in the age range where asking for ID is warranted.
The fact that the OP has been there several times in the past without getting asked for ID says the business isn’t being “hostile” and soliciting ID from everyone, every time. They are within their rights to ask for proof of age and if the customer can’t produce it, they are within their rights to ask the customer to leave.
Maybe you’re right and any fine would be reversed once the customer could prove they were actually over 19, but that’s a lot of hassle for the business to go through. Chances are, the business wouldn’t even be able to track down the customer after they get dinged for serving liquor to minors. Maybe the particular server in the story is new and doesn’t have much experience with the bar’s ID policy and what is excusable. Maybe they were just being dicks. Either way, the solution to this problem is to carry your ID.
y’all can cite all the shit you want,
fact is they didn’t even need to ask for your id to get you to leave…
they could say, “hey you…. leave.”
and done.
okay, I won’t lose my temper. I won’t spell out the law yet AGAIN. I won’t provide examples people should be able to relate to. No, instead I’ll just say it again and see what happens.
Miles, “the business isn’t being ‘hostile’ [in] soliciting ID from everyone, every time.”
No? Really? When turning away a 40 yr old for lack of ID they’re being downright hostile to their would-be customer for no other reason than being an unreasonable PRICK without common sense is well “within their rights…” That said, maybe I would have carded a young looking 29 yr old too but not the second time I see them or any time after that. That’s what this bitch is about… where is common sense?
zZz gets it, why can’t K?
If common sense is in the equation, then wouldn’t common sense dictate that when going to a place that requires you to be of age (i.e.: 19 years old) that you would bring your identification, regardless of the fact that you’re 20, 35, or 65? Hell, you should have ID on you at all times anyways, that’s just COMMON SENSE (see, I have a Caps Lock too).
Never mind the fact that most places adhere to the “if you don’t look 25” rule, which means if you don’t look like someone who is 25, you get carded.
Are you gonna tell me that I’m not allowed to ask for ID when I complete a bank account application because a part of that usage is for proof of age?
kay so does the province send out posters, pamphlets, etc, that basically state if a person looks young (25 or so) telling the purveyor to ask for ID, I know people in their 20s who look 30+ and people in their 30s who look like teens.
So kay stfu on things you don’t know.
As a bartender I feel obligated to check anyone In question. The fact is that there are more people behind the sceens (kitchen staff etc) that rely on tip outs from servers. If a bar gets caught serving someone underage and they loose their licence for even a night it could put a lot of people out. Just bring your Id it makes everybody life easier.
yes Fever, that’s exactly what I’ve said here… “[you’re] not allowed to ask for ID when [you] complete a bank account application” WTF? Are you TRYING to be obtuse or does it just come naturally?
I didn’t say it’s not common sense to carry ID but I suppose you all think I invented the above story of the “Liquor Control Act” too, eh? What a bunch of fucking bitches you are.
Bro Tim and Dr fever…it doesn’t matter how many times you bleat out the same bullshit, it is not required by law to carry ID papers in Canada, and that includes in bars restaurants and tobacco stores. If they don’t want to serve you, that’s their business.
When are you two gonna stop making mistaken statements, and then continue to back them up with bullshit? As amusing as it is, it gets annoying…
“”Some 29 year old ladies can look like they are in their early 20’s which puts them in the age range where asking for ID is warranted.”‘
Lol…this reminds me of your defence of the stupid “feels like” windchill temperature Miles…
Some women in their 30’s can also pass for a youthful 29, which then puts them in the age range that can pass for 29, which thus then puts them in age range of 25, which is where, according to the “sign” over the urninal, is where asking for ID is warranted.
Of course, some women hit their 40’s and still look like a youthful 35, therefore…
What a bunch of crap from the usual suspects, lol
There is no law in Canada requiring a citizen to carry ID, except when a licence is specifically required to be carried, e.g.operating a motorcar, boat, aircraft etc
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BMF you’re right you do not have to carry ID with you, but try to get things done without it. So no you don’t have to have ID to get in a bar but the bar has the right to ask and refuse entry if you don’t. Life is a hell of a lot easier with it.
Yeah, the “ask for ID for a bank account” analogy…wtf?
yeah, it’s JUST LIKE THAT, lol
This is the type of crap that has me worriedfor the future of our nation. When people start saying it’s “just common sense” to carry ID papers…the next step is “it’s just common sense for the police to ask to see them”…and the next thing you know we have road blocks and random check points to ensure that our “papers are in order!”
And of course, it’s sheeple like these guys on here that will say “So? If you have nothing to hide, why NOT show your papers to the nice officers?”
Christ.
” So no you don’t have to have ID to get in a bar but the bar has the right to ask and refuse entry if you don’t. Life is a hell of a lot easier with it.”
Agreed.
Holy Shit dude…take a midol or somethin’
Frosty… BEST bitch ever! Are you sure you’re a scotian? You don’t sound like one. How very refreshing!
Frosty you are hilarious. lol….
Ok, let me spell this out. If look like you are under 25 you are in the “age where checking ID is warranted”. So if you are 29 and look 24, you will get carded. If you are 35 and look 29, no carding. If you are 24 and look 29, you probably won’t get carded. If you are 19 and look 24, carded. It’s a pretty simple concept…or so I thought. groan
Is it really that unbelievable that the OP was asked for ID at 29? I know plenty of 29 year olds (mostly girls) who have been carded. I’m in my 30’s and I get carded every time I go to a bar that has a bouncer. Those of you who want to be a rebel and not carry ID with you so “the man” can’t keep track of you are fucking paranoid. Keep your spy pens and cell phone jammers fully charged because Big Brother is watching you. good grief!
The fact that you agree that bar has the right to toss you if you can’t show proof of age seems like a good argument for keeping that ID on you when you go to the pub doesn’t it? Unless one just likes to invite the hassle so they can turn a “proof of age” issue into a rant about personal freedoms.
Yeah Frosty, it’s not required to carry ID with you, but it is a good idea. Also, on the other hand, a business has a right as well not to provide you service if you are not of age and cannot prove as such. You just don’t seem to get that. Whether you like it or not, businesses have rights too.
You have every right not to carry ID. I’m not arguing that. I am arguing however, that you’re a dumbass for not carrying something as simple as a DL/Provincial ID. Do you argue with the cops when they haul you over and ask for your DL? I bet you scream at them that “I’m not fuckin’ required to carry my papers! This isn’t East Germany(or whatever obscure Communist reference you can come up with)!”
apparently I’m invisible…. {font color=’RAINBOW FUCKING BLINKING LETTERS’}
They can throw you on your ass if they want to… whether you’re 19 who looks 69 (and likely wanting to 69) or 80 who looks 12.
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I think it’s unbelievable the 29 yr old OP was carded more than once by the same people. I think it’s more unbelievable you bitches keep going around the same points ignoring the very plain black and white of law. All that’s being said here is that the business does not HAVE to card every patron like their bouncers would like you to believe. The establishment will NOT get shut down for serving to someone (of drinking age) without ID.
I REALLY like how both Fever and Miles skip over this part in Frosty’s post, “‘So no you don’t have to have ID to get in a bar but the bar has the right to ask and refuse entry if you don’t. Life is a hell of a lot easier with it.’ Agreed.” Oh and this one too, “There is no law in Canada requiring a citizen to carry ID, except when a licence is specifically required to be carried, e.g.operating a motorcar, boat, aircraft”.
I think it’s safe to say you bitches try HARD to be obtuse… as hard as those bouncers try and convince patrons they’ll lose their liquor license if they permit you access without ID. Time to get a clue, don’t you think?
Will you use those powers for good or for evil zZz?
I get ya man. They don’t need a reason to toss you out. But now we’re talking about whether or not it makes sense to carry your ID with you or if you are just a sheep for playing right into “the man’s” hands.
Oh, and what do you guys think the profit margin is on a soft drink vs a beer? I’d say the cola is probably more profitable. Unless the OP was drinking water, in which case I’d give him/her the old heave-ho for loitering 🙂
I’ve been asked to leave a bar before because I wasn’t drinking enough. I tried to explain the whole DD concept…but to no avail.
Obtuse Kay? Where in the OP does it say they were carded more than once? The OP was there 10 times before they got carded…probably by a new server who had never seen her/him before.
And I didn’t ignore Frosty’s acknowledgement of a point that had been made several times before by several people. I actually commented on it when I said “The fact that you agree that bar has the right to toss you if you can’t show proof of age seems like a good argument for keeping that ID on you when you go to the pub doesn’t it?”
You and Frosty both seem to have some trouble reading and entire post and putting the comments in context. Maybe if you took the time to try and understand what others are saying, rather then picking out the parts you disagree with….oh never mind…
Then, in a place that asks you to have your ID to prove your age, they have a right to toss you if you’re unable to provide it. You don’t seem to get that.
Some bars are now asking for TWO pieces of ID now; have fun with that… lol
Considering how simple it is for “kids” to get fake ID, I can’t say I blame them, Mind Snap.
I say if you don’t look 30 or above, you’re not allowed to get in. That way all us old people can party like rock stars without having teenagers puking on our shoes and starting fights because they can’t hold their tequila. 🙂
Fever… I get it! Duh! My whole point is they’re being HOSTILE to have you produce ID when it’s obvious you’re of drinking age. Bouncers are not cops. Policy is not law. Common sense is NOT reserved only for patrons.
Miles, you’re right, the OP doesn’t say they’d been carded multiple times. It doesn’t make my point any less relevant… maybe we’ll pick this up in the Pub Management thread.
You bitches, like the rest of Nova Scotia, seem to forget we also have anti-discrimination laws. The business better have a very good reason for refusing entry or asking you to leave (ordering their pop instead of their booze is NOT a valid reason to expel a customer). If it’s because you have black skin, red hair or wear some religious garb that will also land them in court… a very BIG, very PUBLIC and very expensive to defend yourself in kind of court. The business may remain private in ownership, located on private property and subject to consumer law but the moment they open a PUBLIC venue the business becomes responsible for adherence to a whole other set of laws that include anti-discrimination, wheelchair access provisioning, public washroom layout and maintenance, etc. And before you fly off the handle, NO, I’m not saying asking for ID before you permit access to alcohol is discriminatory but I’d really like you bitches to know your rights and the rights of the public venue so you can all safely conclude when being carded multiple times by the same people that they’re just being PRICKS.
Trust me Gidget, I know how easy it is to land a fake ID, I use to have one. This was back when you only needed one card, that kinda looked like you, and was expired (Ontario ID’s have the expiration date on the back of the card, and bouncers didn’t think to check that)
The policy needs to black and white, otherwise people take advantage of it. Therefore, common sense (i.e.: take your ID when you go to a bar) does indeed fall on the patron. You don’t get it.
I bet you’d flip out when the LC asks for your ID when buying that box of wine you seem to drink every day.
She should use the wine to wash down that bottle of Midol which could be perscribed by a Dr
Fever… I’m generally hated BECAUSE I’m NOT an alcoholic. Thought you should know that.
This is so typical of NS’s. You have a valid point? You have valid reasoning to back up your position? You’re frustrated because we’re idiots who can’t learn? You need Midol! Of course I do, I’m surrounded by sheep unwilling to concede to FACT.
And for the record, NO, I don’t expect to be carded buying a box of wine with my 20 year old standing next to me in the liquor store. I do, however, expect some semblance of common sense… they card my kid, not me! LOL
I’d definitely use it for evil. watching showers, robbing banks, pranking kay….
oh yes, evil it is.
“The business better have a very good reason for refusing entry or asking you to leave “
well that doesn’t really matter, now does it?
and if you find the place hostile, why the fuck would you WANT to stay?!?!?
if they’re going to be jerks, don’t pad their pockets.
give them some bad press and be done with it.
If I shit in your cornflakes, would you keep coming to my place for breakfast?
Which facts are people not agreeing with Kay?
What facts do you speak of? The facts that you’re only willing to adhere to? Like the one that businesses need to lick the ball sack of every patron that comes through the door, because you say so?
Fact is, there are plenty of people that exercise common sense every day that take their ID with them to the pub, in the off chance that they are indeed carded. If you’re unable to provide proof of age, you get tossed. Seems pretty simple to me.
Also, why is it that you seem to think that everyone is uneducated simply due the fact they have a differing opinion? Oh wait, I’ve answered my own question.
Miles, “Which facts are people not agreeing with Kay?”
That the venue is not required by law to card EVERY patron so the 40 yr old should NOT be considered a dumbass for being unprepared for the hostility presented at the door of the venue.
That the managers of the venue are being PRICKS for instituting an inhospitable blanketing policy.
That such policies are simply bad for business (ref. zZz’s most recent post)
Fever, “lick the ball sack”
Fever, “everyone is uneducated”
Are you for real? Seriously, you’re trying too hard. We get it. You’re obtuse by default and you don’t even have to try.
Sorry kay, I’ll be more literal for your benefit, because apparently you’re unable to understand metaphor. Yet, you call me uneducated, along with others in this forum.
My new pic is for you kay….
very nice zZz
Love it! Did you make that, zZz? I employ people who can do that.
Fever, I re-read everything I’ve posted to this thread and I haven’t called anybody illiterate. Not even you.
no, I’m not artistic at all, just ultra resourceful… and happening across it, it was too perfect to leave.
But you did call us uneducated. Who is being obtuse now?
“uneducated”???? where? when?
Sorry must have been another thread you’re being a troll on.
kay so I guess bars in Ontario or Alberta don’t ask for IDs but believe the patron when they say they are of age? Yeah, right.
I can honestly say I’ve NEVER been to a bar ANYWHERE other than NS that requires ID no matter who you are, what you’re doing there or how old you appear so yeah, Tim, that’s spot on right. “Hospitable,” “Friendly”… those are just NS Tourism words and you know it. Your points have been proven as false here, Bro. Why don’t you just take this one lyin’ down instead of imagining personal retorts that don’t mean a damn thing to anybody?
Calgary does this . Ottawa does this .Halifax does this . Toronto does this. Hmmm . Funny eh kay? Who would have thought maybe other cities do that . EH? Ya fucking western sheep mix cow.
A lot of things in CowTown have changed since I last visited and the GTA is an awfully big place with so many venues even Desi hasn’t played them all so I’d like hog to name even one bar that has an “ID everybody” policy and then tell us how he knows such a thing. No, YOU getting carded everywhere you go does not qualify as “policy” so come on, name even one venue and tell us how you’d know about such a policy.
And I all ready told ya hog, you may call me BITCH. Got it?
I always thought twat was a better moniker for you.
really reaching now aren’t you, Fever? Get the fuck over me.
oh lets see – roadhouse – policy posted on door – tantra policy posted on door – several on 17th sw – policy posted on door . Thats just a few in cowtown . Your not a bitch Kay . Seriously not even close . Just a retard !! Get over me haha !!! Anyways stop whining OP – if its policy its policy . Should the gaming and alcohol set rules , then thems the rules.
The have set them for whatever reason . Anyways I have to agree on most of the bitchers who wonder why someone doesn’t carry ID. Really man – who doesn’t carry ID anyways . And yes – you choose to leave without it , figuring your looking the part will get you through the door . Why you whining ?
You can’t drive a car with no license on your person . Though they might give you 24 hours to produce and cancel the ticket if they feel nice that day . So why would be going to a bar with an ID policy be any different . I don’t get the bitch . And I hate rules . They can suck my cock – but I still carry ID knowing likely theres a policy or the chance everyone will be carded . No biggie man !
the policy posted on those doors say “NO MINORS ALLOWED.” Try again. Here, I’ll help ya… there is one bar in cowTown (can’t remember the name) that made national news because not only were they carding all “members” but recording the information. A FINE example of HOSTILITY rather than “hospitality” and their sales and “membership” rightly suffered after the news story ran.
hog, “You can’t drive a car with no license on your person” because that’s the LAW well known to licensed drivers. Of course you’re entitled to due process!
hog, get back to us in 30 years when you’re over 40 and see how much you like being met with stupidity or hostility when you just want to have a beer before calling it a day.
Way over that already Kay . Actual policy is on door . ” All parton on premise must carry proper government issued ID to remain on premise”. So if YOU don’t want to be meet with hostility ( Only you have hostility anyways and you don’t matter ) . You need to fuckin smarten up and stop calling yourself a chick and admit your a lonely old gay dude in a wheelchair that loves to bitch . But bitches with brain closed and mouth wide open .
hog, “apparently having to carry ID now is LAW under the liquer act”
only in your communist world of presumption-fueled ESP, hog. There’s a link to the liquor act above. Go ahead… ignore the great big section I quoted about alcohol and minors but quote this law you refer to. (let’s not confuse the retailer buying from a wholesaler, ID IS required for that… by law.) You can’t quote such an absurdity from the Act and I’ll tell you why… ever eat lunch at a licensed establishment? (ie. Swiss Chalet) Did you notice all the kids at the next table? NONE of them were carrying ID and NONE of them were of age yet their Daddy ordered a beer with his chicken. You’ll notice the server didn’t bother to ID Daddy yet the law was not broken, their liquor license NOT at risk. By your reasoning the kids needed to be of drinking age and prove it with ID just to be seated and that’s just not reality.
YOU, hog, have been snowed…. again. Do you see now what happens to your brain on coke and why I don’t do it? Sorry to burst your bubble. (NOT) Best take this one lying down, asswipe.
Yes it is so hostile to ask someone entering a bar for proof of age. read the fucking sarcasm,.
I had been asked for ID many time for IDs in Victoria, Calgary, Edmonton, Toronto, etc when I was in my 20s and a cop at that. I never felt threatened. put out, or anything else.
It’s hostile to refuse entry to a person who is OBVIOUSLY of age but cops wouldn’t know that because they’re not entrepreneurs so we’ll forgive you… this time.
kay— of course that’s not the case, because a Swiss Chalet is a very different establishment than a bar, and the license is different.
What you don’t seem to get is that a business, whether you like it or not, has a right to protect it’s own interests. If a service requires you to be “of age”, they request ID of you and you cannot provide it, you do not get the aforementioned service, or you get tossed.
Yes, it’s “hostile”. But so is a bathroom after my morning BM. I’m sure that the bar had hundreds of other people through the door that night that were smart and carried their ID, and weren’t tossed or refused service. That one person who didn’t bring their ID will not make them suffer in the long run.
And please, please, please, fuck off with the “communist” bullshit. You really don’t know what communism is. You probably think the US is “fascist”, huh?
“That one person who didn’t bring their ID will not make them suffer in the long run”
Tell that to the OP of the Pub Management bitch… posted all over town, the story quickly making it’s way to other bands.
YOU keep bringing it up so why don’t you tell us about communism, Fever? Be sure to relate ideal communism or marxist communism to Nazi Germany in your description. Be sure to include where “show me your papers” comes from too. I think it’s pretty safe to say both the US and Canada are democratic socialist nations. Should we argue about that too? Maybe we can just stay on topic instead, eh?
Fever, please show me in the Act the government dictating the protocols of checking ID to small businesses. Please do.
You’re the one who brought up the issue, the burden of proof is on you.
This one person will not suffer this business. I guarantee it.
I’m not going to begin the whole communist discussion with you. I’d suggest you educate yourself on the many differences, but that will fall on deaf ears, so I’m wasting my words.
But that’s the point, Fever. I DID quote the Act (look up, look way up) and NOWHERE does it say HOW a business must go about not breaking the law just that the business may not break the law. By obtaining a liquor license the business legally assumes this responsibility. Protocols over confirming the age of their clients are not dictated to them let alone some asinine protocol that forces a business to check all ID’s leaving common sense and hospitality to others.
It’s not just one over-40 person who’s been turned away for lack of ID. It happened to Desi last year. It’s happened to the OP of that other bitch and these are only the people who have said something. Don’t you find it interesting we all know which bars in town do this? They stand out like a sore thumb BECAUSE of their hostility and their liquor sales reflect their policy.. and the quality of entertainment they can provide. I can name 3 local bands who won’t ever step foot in either place again aver this and I’m just one person who’s not even from around here!
Then, if the business has broken the law, then, in fact, the person needs to bring it up to the police.
Think, all of this issue could be avoided if someone had brought their ID, like 99.99999999% of the populace. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. You just don’t “forget” your ID.
break it up you two or I’ll turn this bitch right around….
I now love Kay… but I still think she’s missing something here.. and not because she’s rambling like a drunken monkey…
but because she’s used to going upscale and not having to deal with the more common-folk places who would rather follow rules than potentially lose a high-paying customer/regular.
if I were asked for ID (and I was recently), I would take it as a compliment.
If I had forgot it and they wanted me to leave, I would take the next 6 large steps required to get to another place that could serve me and try my luck there.
Good idea Fever… let’s just make a blanketing law that forces each citizen to carry their ID at all times and, hey, gotta enforce laws so let’s criminalize them if they don’t produce it on demand. That’s so much better than allowing private business to accommodate their liquor license responsibilities in the way they prefer… in Nazi Germany!!!
ZZz.. very big of you to say. Thanks.
Yes, competition governs the success of your business and you’re right, if you’re met with hostility in one place, the consumer drinks elsewhere. Maybe somebody should tell the bars in question how competition works in a free market. First we’ll educate the masses on the fact that no law makes them ensure you have ID while in their establishment, just to ensure fair competition.
ALL that said, yes, it’s much easier to simply produce your ID when asked but don’t for a minute think just because the bouncer is bigger than you and holds the keys to the liquor that their words about the law are founded in fact. They’re not. They’re founded in the policy a private business invented for themselves.
Waaaah kay made remarks about me. Fuck get a life.
kay, I’m not saying that a law should be enacted, I’m just saying you’re stupid for not carrying ID. As usual, you’re taking things to an irrational extreme to benefit your argument.
It’s a simple concept: In a bar, if you don’t carry ID, you may be refused service. I don’t care if you like that or not, it’s the truth.
Oh yes, it was an “irrational extreme” argument that saw +40 Desi and his guitar refused entry to his gig. uh huh… yeah, I make this shit up as I go, sure. In fact I’m the only one who feels this way so I must have posted that other bitch too, huh?
Fuck off, Fever. Have a stupid day.
What’s worse is that I’ve been turned away from restaurants because my ID is expired. I don’t drive, so I’m not going to get my licence renewed, but guess what, it still has my bithday on it, so for about 7 years it continued to work. Only recently have they decided to start cracking down on it. It’s stupid that if they can see from a goverment issued ID that I am far older than 19, just because it’s expired doesn’t make me any younger. I’ve had to resort to carrying my passport around with me. That’s a pain in the ass.
Awwwww, poooor baby. He was refused entry. Guess he’s a dumbass too for not bringing his ID. It’s not an unreasonable request.
it’s only unreasonable if you’re asking a stupid question
PAS, I obtained NS ID using an expired passport as the only picture ID presented. No sweat. No shit.
Well since you got it. use it (your ID kaytard).
kAY HAHA Just an expired passport for ID transfer. Thats thats the usual coke/crackhead id way to have no ID . Lucky we gave your homeless albertain ( came from ontario ) ass some ID so you could score your welfare cheque . Loser