To all the lemmings that believe that the oil sands are bad and evil, do dip your head in some cold water! I am sick and tire of hearing the sob story about the 100+ ducks that died in the tailings pond, do you have any idea how ducks and other animals die from oil tanker spills? You can’t have it both ways! If the oil doesn’t come from Canada, then it has to come to us from overseas.
Furthermore, I am sick and tire about all the fucking whining about the toxic tailings pond… are you mentally challenged or naive? This isn’t the first time Canadian industry has used a tailings pond. I suggest you put away that ebook on Bambi, and pull out a text book that explains the important and vital role that tailings pond plays. They aren’t something that we need to get rid of, they are something that we need to keep the countryside safer.
I wish more industries, and municipalities would use tailings ponds. There are far too many of them that dump their waste directly into our rivers.
Lastly, where do you get off rambling about how much pollution the oilsands are producing each day? The last time that I looked out my window, I saw a gazillion cars. We aren’t on higher moral ground than the oilsands.
Fuck off with your ‘drug addict chastizing the drug dealer’ routine. I’m not buying it.
Even if we shut down the oilsands and send many fine hard working maritimers back to the same unemployment lines that us locals are already struggling with, the world doesn’t miraculously turn into a non polluting mecca.
We will still use, need, apreciate, and hate our motorvehicles. —I Bicycle, too, But this is Atlantic Canada, I Need a Heater and a Cab for the Rain and Winter
This article appears in Sep 29 – Oct 5, 2011.
penalty, for overuse of the word lemmings this week
That is so lemming of you to want to penalize everyone for over using words on a bitch forum that relies on words – LOL
the oil sands sucks because its a very dirty source of oil. not for any of those reasons you said.
PG, lemming tell you what we should do when life deals you a bunch of lemmings. I say we put them in a pitcher with some sweetened water and make some lemming juice. Then we drive them down to the old age home, in my lemming car, and we serve them up with lemming moron pie.
lemming ask you, if I was clear enough, k?
hey zodiac, can you define dirty source of oil? because all oil comes from the ground.
who is it?
I’m tire or lemmings.
I personally don’t hate the oilsands for any of those reasons….
just for the record.
gv, that’s not true…
sebastien’s always producing thick, greasy oil out of every pore in his cock-bashed face.
Hooray for oil 🙂 Until the researchers find a way to convert obese people into a fuel source, keep on extracting that oil.
its called a bicycle, seb. it converts obese people in a fuel source but you may have to feed them alot.
Great Value – it is a “dirty source of oil” because it takes 3 times the amount of oil it actually yields, to produce it.
It is dirty fuel, not because of how it is eventually used, but by how it is produced.
So why DO you hate the oil sands, zed?
takes 3 time as much oil to produce it than it yields?
meaning you put 3 loonies into a bank, and they give you back 1 looney? that sounds too looney to believe.
i wonder what they will build the great wall out of, perhaps beer cans or milk cartons. this would drive home the point^^ http://www.sparkling-markets.com/tras_teap…
I dunno about those sands specifically but we are having to use more and more oil for every barrel we produce.
According to a documentary I recently watched called “How to Boil a Frog” (A Canadian Piece, very well done IMO), in the 1930s it only took 1 barrel of oil to produce 100 barrels. Nowadays 1 barrel of oil nets 13 or 14 barrels. We have used up all the oil from the easiest places to get it, so we are getting to the point where we are using more oil to dig than we actually are getting back. We’re not there yet but we will be soon. It also increases the risk of spills. The whole BP disaster, that was the thing. The hole was too deep in the ground to fix it sooner.
We are running out fast, and our entire global economy depends on it.
One more reason I don’t wanna bring a child into this world.
IT takes 1 barrel of oil to produce 3 barrels of synthetic crude oil, according to this.
http://www.energybulletin.net/node/7331
But I never realised that where they mine it, or crack it takes 2 tons of sand to make 1 barrel of oil.
this article says they’re making about 1 million barrels & planning on ramping it up to 5 million….that sounds like another Sahara Desert worth of sand ! & its probably still full of pollutants !
I just had a thought, they could use that left over sand in cement & build a big fucking wall all along our border between the USA & ourselves.
That will do 2 things
1- Let us spread the waste out right across the top of the Continental US
2- Save them from having to buy fencing like I read in the paper today for putting a fence in problem areas between us ~;)
i’d be willing to bet, that they are safer to swim in than halifax harbour.
..fuck..i have a special hate for greens..basically they’re cause du jour commies..
Dear Blattering luddites,
Please spare us from your biased, inaccurate, uneducated terminology.
It is not “Tar sands”.
It is “Oil Sands”
Oil sands is an accurate term because bitumen, a heavy petroleum product, is mixed with sand. It makes sense to describe the resource as oil sands because oil is what is finally derived from the bitumen
i like that word gv, i’ll try to use it tomorrow
…and the single most cogent argument yet against decriminilization. j/k – This paranoid drivel is clearly fueled (heh heh) by something a lot more sinister than the precious bud.
Thanks for a laugh on a rainy Saturday afternoon, Larry. Oh, Tesla called. He says, “God told me tell you that he doesn’t hate homosexuals and I don’t hate oil companies”
Two things, sooner or later we will have to function and try to survive WITHOUT oil. We HAVE to wrap our minds around that, we do have to prepare. So what do we do? Use tremendous amounts of a dwindling source energy (oil) to try and extract it from a fairly difficult place. The energy corporations heavily invested in this and their government lackies do not care about future generations, they care about the here and now. Yes it is a vile polluting mess. Our political representatives can put lipstick on that pig all they want, I’m not buying it.
The second thing we really need to invest time and money in alternate energy sources to go along with oil and lessen the need to pollute while squeezing the last rock for fossil fuel and pollute while using fossil fuels. Really nothing new here.
A cheap source of energy has been the foundation of our economy. The has will be “once was”. We need vision and integrity from our elected leaders, a lot to ask I realize, but it is important. I do believe it is beyond the scope of the troglodytes currently in office but governments change.
The oil sands represent a bad mindset, a mindset of using our best minds and technology to find the last drop at all costs instead of diversifying our energy portfolio. It’s a fly-by-night, get while the getting’s good mentality that does nothing long term, where the bloated bottom line and a few federal seats is all that’s seen in the blinders.
The word “great-grandchildren” doesn’t begin to enter the equation here. All in all, not a fan.
“Two things, sooner or later we will have to function and try to survive WITHOUT oil”
Based on what asumptions?
The reason that I ask, this morning I read that if numbers stay the same, the tar sands could keep Canada going for 400 years. And, that is discounting future technologies that would improve our yields and may in fact allow us to re-process the tailings. Don’t laugh this has happened in gold mines already.
Also, synthetic oil is possible from coal. And, we have huge metalugical coal mines in BC that have been stockpiling their thermal coal (and calling it reject) for decades. I think we have at least several hundred years worth of metalurgical and thermal coal available to us, as well.
” identified as the largest contributor to GHG emissions growth in Canada, “
: as consumers of the product, the GHGs produced by the producers is a drop in the bucket compared to what we are doing.
“The energy corporations heavily invested in this and their government lackies do not care about future generations, they care about the here and now. ”
Check out who the biggest manufacturers of windmills and solar panels are. The same guys who make equipment (rigs, subsea structures, etc) for the oil industry. The energy companies are ready to make (probably a lot more) cash off the public using renewable green resources once the “dirty” non-renewable resources run out.
While I know people who protest the oil sands and the proposed pipeline(s) associated with them have their heart in the right place, what pisses me off about them is their defeatist attitude. We have the technology, resources, and expertise to do this safely with minimal impact on the environment.
GV, it takes an enormous amount of energy, not to mention water (another resource of some concern) to extract this oil from the sands. Would I like to see us spend the amount of resources and tax dollars it will take to continue to extract this polluting old-school form of energy? Well no. 400 years? I would say that with the amount of controversy this project has generated, their adherents are not going to say”well we should get 25 to 100 years out of this.” Even if we took that at face value. The cost in energy and water for 400 years? Not worth it.
You mention coal reserves. Coal is one of the major generators of CO2 gases. Leave that damn stuff in the ground.
Whiskey Tango, I didn’t say the energy companies were stupid in this case, just opportunistic. I think it’s great if they’re invested in renewable energy, I applaud that. It’s the oil sands that are my beef.
Speaking of lemmings. These remarkable rodents are part of folklore, being that they are supposed commit mass suicide. The problem lemmings face is that they have an incredible reproductive capacity with major population swings. The overpopulating causes mass migrations due their exhausting their local food resources. Sort of remind us of another species doesn`t it.
Unfortunately for them, these mass migrations cause a high mortality rate because they are yummy to a lot of fauna and there is just so many places for all of them to go.
The human equivalent of the lemming might be those Maritimers going to the Oil Sands out west because there`s nothing left for them here.
“The human equivalent of the lemming might be those Maritimers going to the Oil Sands out west because there`s nothing left for them here.”
That is so wrong.
Why stop there? Wouldn’t you rather send all maritimers back to their ancestor’s homeland?
I’d rather you didn’t. Kazakhstan has never not sucked ass. >: (
Just found a black and tan pomeraniam running around on the 103 incase anybody’s out there.
http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-ViewAd?AdId=318…
“GV, it takes an enormous amount of energy, not to mention water (another resource of some concern) to extract this oil from the sands. “
Everything is proportional. That is how they produce an enormous amount of oil.
Oil sands gross fresh water withdrawal from the Athabasca River has declined by 36% since 2004, when 56 million cubic metres of fresh water was withdrawn. They are now below 1998 levels in terms of water withdrawal, even though average daily bitumen production has more than tripled. In 2010 alone, fresh water withdrawal from the Athabasca River decreased 12% from 2009. The oil sands have realized savings through increased reuse and recycling — in particular, improved mine tailings operations, which enabled increased recycling and reduced water makeup for tailings.
sorry, have you contacted the nsldn snubiz?
Yes – thanks pg. He’s been posted and I’ve contacted everyone I can thing of. Somebody commenting at nsldr says he was around Greenwood Heights so I’ll take hime for a toodle around there tomorrow,
So you’re saying they’re DOWN to using 36 million cubic meters of fresh water a year! Wonderful! Sensational! Still raping but just not quite as much.
As far as the lemmings are concerned, OP trotted them out so I threw them back at him!
well Troodon, I think that is reasonable to say that if 36 million is a big number then the number of barrels per year coming out of the oil sand, and the value that it creates from both workers and consumers is an even larger number.
Besides, you got any idea how many rooftops have to be converted to solar panels, and bird killing windmills erected in order to meet today’s energy demands?
People talk about alternative energy, and that a cool topic, I love to talk about it, but alternative energy science doesn’t mean we have an alternative solution yet.
If you want to solve the problem of our current energy needs, then you need to think big or go home. The oil sands is thinking big. Coal would be another way to think big, but we know how everyone feels about that one.
Good on yer, Snoob.
http://scodal.com/a/saved3/leilockheart.jp…
The world can always use more heroes >: )
While it is enjoyable reading all the wonderful comments.
THis oil sands project is way out west.
What I see here at home is the promotion of an idled paper plant in Nova Scotia.
Which they want to reopen & keep polluting this area. Not too mention cutting down even more trees (remember trees are natures natural air pollution scrubbers)
I would love to hear that we are instead going to grow more hemp & use that to make paper, fabric etc.
Did you know that it takes way less water to produce paper by hemp than paper by tree ?
That you don’t need to use bleach to whiten hemp paper, like you do with wood pulp.
That the paper industry in North America is the third largest polluter !
With over 3 million tons of chlorine being dumped into our waters, it creates dioxins …
That every woman alive today, will have measurable trace of dioxin in her breast milk…doesn’t that sound tasty !
So yeah, curse the oil sands, way out there all you want. But there are other large polluters right here at home,that could be changed to make products we need much more enviormentally friendly.
Also unlike trees, once hemp has been treated to make paper, the fibers that are left can be used to make textiles…with tree pulping, all you can do is make low qualtiy paper. Because hemp makes a much superior product that can last hundreds of years , where as pulp paper deteriorates in 50 or so years & can be recycled up to 7 times versuses pulp paper at about 3 times
http://www.hemphasis.net/Paper/paper_files…
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“Until the researchers find a way to convert obese people into a fuel source, keep on extracting that oil.”
I have a better idea. Lets use fags for fire kindling.
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I think the proper word is “faggots”, Donairius.
🙂
yowzah, what an awesome rectangular table, what i learned:
puppies are chick magnets
ivan loves olives
mel and her bf are very dishy
wp is very funny
rosie is an excellent parallel parker
avasto has a strange connection with me
ttfn is a good baker
agent 195 does speak
pk can’t stop speaking^^
So, Wheelie, at what point did you, PK & Brendon happen to notice that one of the papal doves up in the rafters had chosen to “bless” my Kitty Hawk cap. Because I only noticed when I was perusing some high priced condiments in the Cockney greengrocer’s. >: ( Pigeons are now soemwhere between hippies and Cirque de Soleil on my Enemies List.
Great Summit yesterday, by the way. Rosie’s new puppy is caaaa-yoot!. Sorry I couldn’t get more face time with Avast, but I wuz rollin’ phat wit my beyotchez – The 3 Graces of Ribaldry. Could have used some morally uplifting guy talk. >; )
rosie came by the house to gab and see the hound, phoenix is in love with the hound and the bear is in love with phoenix woof woof. sorry didn’t mean to leave you out hugo, you always remind me of a character from a zane grey novel
Hugo’s shirt is da bomb. Put me in your will. If you should have an “accident”, I want it!
What do you mean by “dishy” Painy :P? Google tells me it has two meanings. I’m so glad I made my hungover and exhausted self go this time! But we must get a better table set-up for the next one so we can hear everyone :P! Gosh all I can think about is eggs benedict now. And Ivan, that was the second time you saw me only you may not have known who I was the first time, my BF and I like to frequent the book store and buy cat books. I recently bought a book of cat cartoons and then my BF was in there buying me one on how to massage your cat :D!
Our future energy needs will be met by diversification IMO. I believe/hope that future generations will have their eggs in multiple baskets including fossil fuels but at a minimal level. The reduction of our collective footprint begs thinking outside normal, steady as she goes parameters including away from the oil teat.
I’ll be honest in that I really do not trust Big Oil or our current government, the major overseers of the Oil Sands project. To my core I don’t. Both government and the citizens that elect them need to think more introspectively and less exploitively. Maybe sacrifice a little convenience and save some resources for the grandkids.
that table that the loud cougars were sitting at, would do nicely. it is tough to talk i know, rosie said my big head kept getting in the way too^^dishy as in, sexy, sweet. was your food good?
Damnation. I thought you looked familiar. He he, I’ll know for next time and I’ll definitely recognize you because, to second Painey, you are quite dishy. I’ll make sure that the kitteh shelf is kept extra neat from now on.
Quite right about the table shape. we should have chased those formadehyde-soaked cougars away from the circular table. Whatever Countess Bathory style rejuvenation technique they were using – it weren’t working.
i kinda felt bad for the lady eating by herself. she was right in the line of fire, of our highly intellectual conversation
It was fantastic to finally put some faces to the names and personalities yesterday. Apologies if I seemed quiet, I was just trying to take it all in. I think there was, at one point, 5 different convos going on at once? lol. Regardless, good venue, good food and great company. Real pleasure to meet everyone that was there.
Painy: VERY strange connection indeed 😉
Ivan: No worries my friend. There will be more opportunities I’m sure. As for the impromptu “blessing”…that’s considered good luck. Buy a lotto ticket. I meant to ask you too, Ivan; do you have a brother because you bear absolutely uncanny resemblance to a gentleman I work with.
Hugo: If Ivan gets your shirt, I want your bike 😉 lol
Wheelie: Great, twisted sense of humour. Must have been those 3 years in PEI eh? lol
Mel: Great to have met you and the beau. You’re almost exactly how I had pictured you. Wow! THAT sounded creepy didn’t it? Sorry, it wasn’t meant to be. lol
Tron: Very cool to have met you. Unfortunately due to the table layout, I wasn’t able to hold much of a convo with you, but, like I said, I’m sure there will be plenty of other opportunities. PK: What can I say? You were right…. you ARE cute and adorable. lol How is that new phone of yours after “mating” with wheelie’s?
TTFN: Great to chat with you as well. You’ll have to grace us all with some of your “pickin’ ana grinnin’ ” at some point. You shall now be known from here on in as “Claw Hammer”!! lol
Rosie: Hubba hubba, a lady in uniform! lol Again, I wish I was able to chat with you more than we did but next time for sure.
Other than the table, the venue was great. Nice atmosphere, good food, great service, not overly pricey and fairly central and accessible for all. Good choice, Kitty. 😉
great to meet you, if we get enough bitches we will be able to control the world *cackle* the service was very good, it was the same watron our family had when we ate there
Nope Avast – I’m an only child, although under the right circumastances I do resemble this dude:
http://media.kickstatic.com/kickapps/image…
I always seem to have something on the go on the days summits are planned (well, every day really), hence my non-appearance so far pain-sis-girl, so my contribution to bitchers controlling the world will have to wait until I have a little more control over my life…haha!
there will always be a place for you to park your butt, chickpeabikerbabesis
Thanks sweetie-sis. When I slow down long enough to be able to park my butt I will gladly park it at a summit or two:)
Thanks PG 😀 I wasn’t sure if you mean the nice meaning or the “gossipy” meaning 😛 My eggs benedict was wicked and don’t think I’ll be able to sleep well until I can taste it again. Who am I kidding – I can never sleep anyway :D. I was wondering if anyone else noticed those cougars haha. They were right in my viewing space. And I don’t think you’re creepy Avast 😛 I think I have mentioned my fake Asian look before!
Ahhh another falls victim to the delectable holy grail of all breakfast dishes….Eggs Benny! Yummy! They looked really good DishyMel. Was that your first time trying them or were they just exceptionally good?
LMAO, I noticed those cougars too…I found it odd that they were all dressed in black in one form or another…like some sort of witches coven or something…AND sitting at a round table no less….sketchy.
AND drinking a gross concoction probably made of orphan children’s tears, boxtox and of course cougar juice – er, Clamato juice. Why do they gravitate to Clamato juice? Must be the clams in it. Teehee. Anywho, I have always loved eggs benedict and get it every time I get breakfast anywhere 😀 but these eggs benedict were supa guud!
when our waiter was taking their pictures, i was hoping for some duckfaces
Had a terrific time as always – just wish, as mentioned, we could get a place where we could hear each other. We could do a U-configuration with some mics, a few flags and table skirts. It was lovely to meet Mel, Rosie and Avast – I hope I came across as a sweet, motherly type.
Ivan, that fucking K19 audition had me cackling all the way home.
Wheelie? How did last night work out for ya?
I’d have made a great Russian sailor *sniff* >: (
http://www.mediaemergency.com/media/image/…
if it makes you feel any better, i think you would make a very good spy
Yay! I’m so happy the summit was a success 😀 Good job, folks. Keep it rollin’.
We need you two at the next one. Ivan’s orders.
Ttfn- tonight’s the night! The damp weather has been making my bones hurt.
I thought some of the Coogaars were pretty yummy, but then I loves the wimins.
Yesterday was the best Summit yet! New friends, and my old ones. It’s just a message board, but I’ve grown fond of some of you.
P
Next Summit… we get the round table and Rosie doesn’t have to work! And we have it in Germany so Phoenix can come!
Wheelie darling I thought you were going to take a tumble from your chair when that blonde European woman was gushing over puppy! A little more subtle next time in mixed company ;D
@PG: “A wise man speaks because he has something to say, a fool because he has to say something.”
@Avast: No worries. I’m not much of a conversationalist anyway. 😛
Yeah, oil sands are the shit—if you don’t mind earthquakes:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/02/o…
http://reason.com/archives/2011/10/19/the-…
“I have a better idea. Lets use f-a-g-s for fire kindling.”
– Posted by Donairious BIG on October 3, 2011 at 12:11 AM
Illegal hate speech. Ban the user. Delete the post. If you do not then you are as guilty as he.