My husband and I have been trying to get pregnant for almost a year and a half. Three months ago, I went to my family doctor and got a referral to see a specialist. While we were waiting for our appointment my doctor sent me for blood tests and my husband for his own analysis. It was discovered from those two tests that we have a male infertility issue. We waited three months to get in, which is fine, as I understand there are wait lists, etc. We also had to complete a long questionnaire with very detailed answers. Understandable.
Last week when we got to the hospital we were excited to finally sit down with the specialist to discuss things and hopefully come up with some sort of timeline as to when we can expect something to happen. I’m fully aware that things aren’t going to happen fast, however what I wasn’t aware of, was the fact that my husband and I took half a day off work and waited and hour and a half just so I could meet with a NURSE, not the specialist! It would have been ok if she was of some help or offered some kind words but she asked me three basic questions: when my last period was, if I was taking folic acid and ordered another blood test! I just found the whole thing discouraging and pointless, why wouldn’t they just get my husband and I to mail the questionnaire so they had some information to go on first, then allow us to meet with the specialist?
So here we sit with another 4+ months until we go again. —Really?!
This article appears in Sep 15-21, 2011.
You will be waiting a lot more once your baby comes along. Get used to it. This is part of the process called life. Enjoy it, or at least appreciate the fact that we are helping you. Are you so important that the hospital needs to drop everything and get you knocked up?
I sure hope you are more committed to your child than you are to getting impregnated. Learn some patience.
Bet you love the socialist health care now, don’t you, lol
What a dissapointment, OP; you should have been told in advance it would be a nurse and not the actual specialist you would see, so you could have gone on your own! We’ve been trying ourselves since last January; I got into a specialist back in may because of the nature of my problem; I had surgery for endometriosis (including a cyst removal) last December and my window was the widest in the 6 months after surgery. The specialist I saw, on my initial visit took alot of details and looked look via camera and then ultrasound at my ovaries and uterus. From that first visit they were able to tell I had lots of eggs, was just about to ovulate, and no cysts on my ovaries. All in all I’ve had 3 consultations so far and every test (10 tubes of blood and a dye-in-tubes test) they’ve done has come back normal. No pregnancy yet, though, aside from an early miscarriage in feb. my period cramps start a week before my actual period…and my intuition says it’s not going to happen, but i’m holding out hope. I’m wishing you the best!
You need a swift kick in the box, OB.
Are you paying for these specialist appointment?
Is MSI covering them?
Ooooooh you have to wait seven months to see a fertility specialist because hubby’s shooting blanks! Gee, what a hardship.
Sure puts my year on a list to just get an appointment scheduled with an endocrinologist to shame! Because you getting knocked up sure is more important than someone who has 5-6 uncontrollable hypoglycemic episodes a week!
Oh and how about that 5 year wait, my doc has informed me I have for just one of my two carpal tunnel surgeries? Yup, far less important than helping you procreate.
I suppose you even think you’re more important than the women out there who have six month waits for a hysterectomy, which may be related to cancerous cysts, or the almost three month wait people have for a cancerous kidney removal in Halifax. You should be ASHAMED for bitching about a service you’re damn lucky is covered and available. People have to wait to have CANCER removed, yet your husband’s inability to knock you up and the seven months you have to wait deserves a bitch? Fuck you, you c-unt. I hope you never end up getting pregnant, if only for the sole reason that we don’t need more kids being brought into this world only to be raised by assholes like you who think they’re above everyone else. And hay, maybe if these types of things weren’t covered, those people with cancerous kidneys wouldn’t have to wait three months to get treatment because more resources could be directed over there.
I have a condition that has made me have problems with my fertility and I sure as hell wouldn’t be bitching if MSI covered any form of fertility testing/treatment, especially given the state of health care in Nova Scotia. I’d be ashamed of myself knowing that people have ANY wait time when they’re dealing with life threatening conditions such as cancer! There’s even a significant wait time for heart surgery, ffs!
SET. <-- OB Wanting to have children and not being able to SUCKS, but thinking that should have any priority in the public health care industry is selfish and shameful.
Hmm. You don’t seem like you can handle things very well OP.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ln8w63hK…
You could always just go adopt a kid…but that would make too much sense.
Imagine when you take A YEAR OFF work for maternity/paternity leave! Oh, but that is okay isn’t it?
Does your dead-end job not provide for medical leave? Did the company collapse because your man who is shooting blanks had to take a half-day off work?
If you are bitching because you lost wages then you cannot afford to bring a child into this world because you cannot afford to be in it yourselves.
Geezuz Survivor, where will it end with you?
you should have paged his highness, the lord suckster.
Ah, that was a bit much, PK.
yeah http://cdn2.mixrmedia.com/wp-uploads/girly…
Be careful of what you wish for, OP. I have a friend and his wife who had a similar problem (low male fertility) – they eventually opted to adopt and waited 10 long years – both kids had learning disabilities and behavior problems and now they’re problem teens – it was a fucking shame to watch two nice people age 30 years overnight and become emotional basket cases.
And http://bit.ly/o0b6dD
Might’ve been a bit much, but this c-unt has no business bitching about this.
“Imagine when you take A YEAR OFF work for maternity/paternity leave! Oh, but that is okay isn’t it?”
Yeah, just WAIT until the bitch finds out EI only pays what? 55% of salary in mat leave benefits?
OB “DON’T THEY UNDERSTAND? I JUST HAD A CHILD!”
Yeah, you and 1500 other women/day in canada.
I understand your frustration OP. Why not have you and your husband in when the specialist can actually meet with you. It seems a waste of everybody’s time.
Why was the nurse asking you the questions if it’s a male fertility problem? Seems odd.
Another four months isn’t that bad in the scheme of things, it’s not like you got sweet BBQ sauce instead of regular BBQ sauce with your chicken order.
Op, you are probably mad that you have to go another 4 months of daily sex with your hubby, ‘just in case’.
PK, stop being a cunt and, most of all, stop whining. Your comments are way off base. The bitch wasn’t even about waiting per se. It was about being patient, waiting, but nevertheless being rewarded with what amounts to wasted time and effort because some health care professionals have shitty communication skills.
I’m assuming the OB pays taxes and thus contributes to the health care system so there’s really no justifiable reason for casting aside her complaint on the grounds that only other Canadians are paying for her services. Most young/semi-young adults are net contributors too.
OB, most people understand the frustration of poor communication. You should have been told you weren’t going to see a specialist. I hope everything works out for you.
Umm, excuse the fuck out of me, Pretty Kitty, but fertility specialists run a business; your fucking tax dollars are not paying for someone to bear children. The tests are free, but the actual treatment, for those who choose it, comes at a very steep price….as in $10,000 per round of IVF. other treatments are available but they also cost money.
I’m sure if your endocrinologist could charge you for treatment, you’d have waited alot less than a year for your appointment.
And Pk, as for your health problems, cry me a fucking river, because I have family and friends who have gone through much fucking worse than you and had to wait longer for treatement. Try being a 30 year old fucking hemophiliac who regularly bleeds into his joints; who can’t even have the surgery to repair his ankle without having to worry about bleeding to death on the operating table. He hasn’t been able to walk since July.
i know someone else who hasn’t been able to sleep for 3 months because of agonizing pain due to rheumatoid arthritis; she’s only in her early 40’s but has already had both knees and a shoulder operated on…now her hip is disintigrating! How would you like to be her??
I think it’s YOU who’s been the cunt here, not the OP!!
I love how Z always comes back to and posts again after she thinks she’s done. It’s like when you take a piss, shake and think you’re done but there’s still more to come out so you gotta wait a bit longer and piss the rest out. Except Z is just cunt-bleeding when she does it.
Cunt bleeds, then think she’s done, then realizes she’s not done and has to cunt-bleed more.
Ten grand for a test tube baby? That’s one expensive nimrod.
be careful what you wish for, some fertility efforts result in twins.
Cunt-bleed .. that sounds like a Sebastian line. Looool
Z — MAYBE if these doctors weren’t all tired up with fertility testing, they could get to treating the people who really need treatment.
I just don’t see how fertility testing or treatment should be covered by the public health system (and yes, in quebec they pay for fertility treatment — IVF to be exact), and to compare someone shooting blanks to others with life threatening and painful conditions (both mine and the family you cited, Z) is shameful. OB’s bitching about the crap she went through while accessing a publicly funded yet MEDICALLY UNNECESSARY procedure (yes, tests ARE procedures and DO cost money).
Like I said, there are people out there who have to wait for cancer surgeries and cardiac care in the reality we’re facing in health care today — OB should be thankful her unnecessary use of the public health care system *is* covered.
And canned — how would YOU feel if someone you loved, or perhaps yourself had to be put on a wait list for cancer surgery or a hysterectomy (where you’re bleeding heavily constantly) after you’ve already waited to see said specialist and meanwhile, ungrateful c-unts like OB are out there whining because they don’t get medically unnecessary procedures done however and whenever they want? I know plenty of people who’ve had to take months off of work because of illness — and OB’s crying about a half a day? I know you’ll probably be all “but they pay taxes too blahblah” just to contradict what I’m saying, and go ahead — you’re about as foolish as the OB of this bitch from what I’ve read of your comments here, so I wouldn’t expect anything otherwise. I could say the sky is blue and rain is wet and you’d somehow try to contradict what I was saying.
Infertility sucks, but don’t go thinking it’s more important than people with actual medical concerns. Not having a child isn’t going to kill you, but not getting that heart surgery when you’re supposed to just might. (I know it might be hard for either of you to wrap your heads around, but if you read that REALLY slowly, you just might be able to!)
If OB had’ve actually paid for this specialist visit, and the next one, I’m sure that would’ve been part of their bitch. If she’s whining about taking a half a day off of work and having to wait so long, I’m sure she would’ve added “we’re paying for this you know!” at some point in her ridiculous complaint.
Also: all you’ve done, z, is illustrate my point: there are people out there in real need of the services of health care, yet fertility testing is funded (I can only imagine how much that costs/person). Couldn’t those resources be better spent on people like the ones you mentioned?
Sometimes life isn’t fair — sometimes you can’t have everything you want. I’d love to not be diabetic, but that’s clearly not going to happen. Some people would love to have children but can’t. Sometimes you win, and sometimes you lose. Not everyone gets a prize just for participating. That’s just the way life is.
I’m gonna pull a Z here too, and add: maybe you should read this bitch to your loved ones who have the problems you mentioned above who have to wait so long for treatment. I’m sure THEY’D be crying a river for the twat who wrote this bitch. Maybe they’ll even give up their impending medical treatments and appointments so those funds can be directed towards making OB’s husband stop shooting blanks. I mean, it WOULD be the only reasonable thing to do! In fact, we should all drop everything and call CTV, CBC, GLOBAL and every other major Canadian TV outlet and organize a telethon so the proper funds can be directed towards this horrible HORRIBLE situation. Fuck curing kids with cancer! Fuck grandma’s hip replacement! Fuck trying to help people like Wheelie with spinal cord injuries walk again — we should devote all our energy and resources to curing infertility! Shame of us for not thinking of those shooting blanks!
I think YOU need a little perspective, yourself, z. People already existing who need MEDICAL treatment that is MEDICALLY NECESSARY >>>> potential zygotes. (oh and FYI that “>” sign means ‘greater than.’)
Then again, you thought not paying for property belonging to loblaws, I believe it was, and then removing it from the store wasn’t theft so I’m not confident you’ll really ever fully grasp the above mentioned concept. Call me a pessimist, but….
Sperm donor, problem solved. Your husband probably has either an illness or genetic problems, so why pass that on to a kid?
Write a bitch about it pk.
Leave it to PK to go right off the page…
OB didn’t say that their treatment should be put ahead of others. If there are medical issues, people have the right to treatment. The bitch is about the fact they had no idea they would have been meeting with a NURSE and not the Specialist! And to say that you hope someone can never have kids…wow that’s fucking low! Your pathetic PK!
This bitch is about miscommunication. Period.
PK, the tax bit was about the first commenter who wrote “or at least appreciate the fact that we are helping you”.
How would I feel if my family couldn’t get medically necessary treatments? If you live in Canada and have relatives from here, chances are you have dealt with this sort of situation. It sucks. But most people don’t go shitting all over everyone else who needs/wants something less important. And having children might not seem important from an outsider’s point of view, but the long-term indirect gains from having children and replenishing our workforce are huge. Who do you think is going to be wiping your shitty ass/financing your golden years 30-40 years from now?
My other comment about you was due to the fact that none of your criticisms of the OB were relevant. Clearly that has not changed. If you read carefully her complaint was a bit broader than health care system itself. It was about being frustrated by poor communication. Nowhere did OB suggest her needs are more important than yours or other patients who are in need of necessary treatments. And yet you said the OB is an ungrateful cunt for putting her needs ahead of yours. You sound kind of like a wife beater from the 1950s.
You can criticize all you want, but don’t go on unrelated tangents just to make your point. Graduate school is the place for that.
Adopt
Amen, Canned!
Natural selection at work. Adopt.
Took my wife and I about 30 months to see a fertility specialist. Both my wife and I went through all the tests before we saw her, blood, semen, dye tests, ultra sounds.
By the end of it, you could basically parrot the docs/nurses since you had heard the questions so often.
We just kept at it and eventually conceived naturally. Have me a set of twin boys at home now. We started the adoption process, but that is a long long road as well.
I know it sounds shallow, but just try and chill, relax, enjoy all the sex, and stay positive!
best of luck
I like how people like to say they have children because of things like “replenishing the workforce” and “population growth” and such. Who the fuck do you think you’re kidding? You’re having kids because you want to or it was a mistake. Who the fuck has kids for the purpose of growing the population? There are enough mistake children out there, you don’t need to be replenishing anything.
“Your pathetic PK!”
My pathetic what, snoopy?
heh.
fuzzy feel good story http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article…
I’ve seen some news stories about that kinda thing on youtube before, painey! One was about a dog that took over a bunch of kittens when their mother died and another was about a rabbit I think. They were a bunch of mother’s say stories on how the mothering instinct is universal. I think that’s true for sure. Molly, for instance, thinks i’m her real mother because hers died when she was only a week old. Given her breed, she’s supposed to stay with her mother and litter for 16 weeks — twice as long as most cats. Anyway, she acts like I’m her real mother and actually will try to feed off me when she’s laying down with me and she’s constantly trying to wash me like I’m a cat. And she’s also constantly crying for me. I can be in the living room and she’s in my room and she lets out the loudest, most pitiful meows until I call her name and go get her.
Fucking cat.
Except for the some-fuckwad-shot-their-cat part. Miss California! Ha ha!
yeah, i know snubiz, but it’s been a shitty week for fur creatures http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article…
Depeche Mel:
“I like how people like to say they have children because of things like “replenishing the workforce” and “population growth” and such.”
No one says this, or no parent I’ve met at least. Most people have kids by accident or because they want to have children. It’s pretty simple really. I was simply saying that people who have children (mistakenly or not) indirectly benefit others (not themselves necessarily) by replenishing the workforce. If you don’t see the benefit of that then there’s no point arguing with you.
Don’t be making me cry at work!
Yeah, that was some hard footage to watch. Roooooooooo!.
you cry at work too? cool^^sorry, i’m a media junkie http://cdnimg.visualizeus.com/thumbs/be/e9…
That’s better. Lip quiver.
It’s just this isn’t the only time someone has said something like that Canned.
Z — MAYBE if these doctors weren’t all tired up with fertility testing, they could get to treating the people who really need treatment.”
Pk, what are you talking about??? Would you see a fertility specialist for your endocrinology problems? Clearly, your own health frustrations caused you to read waaaay too much into this thread. Tell me; if YOU were waiting for 6 months for a much anticipated specialist appointment, would it annoy you to get there and discover you weren’t seeing the actual doctor, but a nurse instead? Because I get the distinct feeling you would kick up quite the fucking stink.
By the way, they do ALOT of things differently in Quebec, but how is that even relevant here???
Dey speak French in Quebec too!
Wow you just dont get it! getting rid of one fertility doc means mOney to pay for another cancer specialist. I really dont want to believe you couldnt put that concept tOgether. And i was merely stating that some places do pay for treatment when you said ivf costs 10k that’s not gov’t funded. If you can cite costs in ontario, then why cant i cite examples from quebec?
Don’t mind Pretty Kitty, OP.
She’s just a crazy hypochondriac who comes from crazy hypochondriac parents. Seriously – I’ve never in my life heard of ONE FAMILY with so many medical problems!!!
She’s only happy when she’s going on and on and on and on and on and on and on about HER laundry list of (probably manufactured) ailments.
Dude’s shooting blanks. OB, move on.
i’m with Happy go Lucky.
PK, I think you are a complete narcissist! It seems like nobody has the right to complain if they don’t have problems as big as the Queen of Sheba perceives herself to have! Why else would you have called the OP a “cunt”?
I really wish someone with bigger problems than you would tell you to shut the fuck up and quit complaining about your diabetes and intestinal issues, because you come off here like a whining, attention-starved hypochondriac.
och nae lass, she’s just venting, like the rest of us. you can call her what you please, thems the rules. narcissists are fully represented in our merry band of bitches, i don’t think she qualifies
Eh. You can call me what you want, I don’t really give two shits. Sometimes when telling people things they don’t want to hear or having an opinion or point they can’t grasp, they start with the ‘you’re just a narcissist!’ crap. I mean excuse me for not taking a psychological diagnosis from a dimwit who can’t spell properly and feels entitled to steal merchandise because the place who owns said merch has a lot of money to begin with seriously.
And I’m the narcissit whiner? All z talks about is getting knocked up and how she’s not a thief when she steals shit.
TEEF!
“Sometimes when telling people things they don’t want to hear or having an opinion or point they can’t grasp, they start with the ‘you’re just a narcissist!’ crap.”
People are calling you a narcissist because you only ever talk about yourself and only ever relate bitches to your own personal experience rather than some other objective criteria. It’s not so much that your arguments are beyond anyone’s grasp (other users of our health care system are cunts; one less fertility specialist means one more cancer or some other specialist); rather, it’s that your arguments are either very subjective or irrelevant.
I’ve already indicated that your cunt opinion about the OB being a cunt is irrelevant and in fact makes you an even bigger cunt than I initially thought you were. It’s also based on your emotions which are driven by a very subjective experience with your own health – one data point, likely an outlier and not very informative for public policy.
The notion that fertility specialists are tying up funds that could go to other uses – specifically cancer specialists – or that patients seeking fertility treatment are effectively crowding out other patients is misguided. First of all, the specialists you’re talking about may not be available for other reasons that wouldn’t go away even if cuts were made to so called non-essential services or if additional funds were provided – ie labour shortages, medical school recruitment, etc. Cancer specialists are not a dime a dozen. The resource constraints may actually be non-binding.
Also, essential treatments are often constrained by relatively high demand and the cost of treatment. They are often considered or classified as essential because of their quality of life implications and because they affect a relatively large population. Even if you removed all fertility specialists, you have to ask what would the effect of that be on actual wait times and patients treated per year? It’s likely not one to one, especially if more essential treatments are more resource intensive, costly or less effective on a per patient or quality adjusted life year basis.
Not to mention, even if funds were withdrawn from fertility treatment, there’s no guarantee that it would be redirected to another use that might benefit you or your family/friends, etc.
In other words, your nuthin but a dum grammer nazi. And go fuck yourself.
Canned, I loved that reply so much I read it twice!
“Sometimes when telling people things they don’t want to hear or having an opinion or point they can’t grasp, they start with the ‘you’re just a narcissist!’ crap.”
…Whereas you, Pk (in the same situation) start pointing out typos!
How absurd! Is this really your experience, PK??? If so, maybe you should take a harder look at yourself.
We have too many people on this planet. We need to adopt. We need to stall population growth. If we don’t, replenishing the workforce will be irrelevent in two or three generations. A certain lack of fertility in our species may be a blessing in disguise.
I feel for OP in a human sense but, from a global perspective, we need fertility treatments like a hole in the head.
“Canned, I loved that reply so much I read it twice!”
Boring.
You two (canned and z) are RICH.
This board is FILLED with people relating bitch topics to personal experiences (z, you’ve done it many times — how would we all know you’re trying to get knocked up), but oh no, when PK does it it means she’s a narcissist. LARF. Great logic there, ladies!
And, if the two of you had more than two collective brain cells to rub together and could actually comprehend a sentence, you’d see that I have used objective criteria (just to refresh — I’ve used the examples of cancer and heart care). But since that doesn’t fit in with your attacks on the way I express myself on here, you choose to ignore it.
I hate to break it to yas, but sometimes people have opinions that you might not like. That’s life.
And Z: I wouldn’t call a consistent inability to spell simple words properly a ‘typo.’ Just for the record the word ‘alot’ is actually spelled ‘a lot,’ and ‘your’ indicates the possessive (as in YOUR purse or YOUR lack of intelligence) whereas ‘you’re’ is a contraction of ‘you are.’ You might want to re read that slowly a few times and perhaps make some flash card. It’ll help with the whole ‘not looking like a complete illiterate idiot in the future’ thing. You’re welcome.
In any event, I’m done with this bitch. At first the two of you were amusing in this thread, but now you’ve just gotten tiresome and boring and quite frankly your straw grasping has become kinda sad, though the fact that I can make the two of you get so worked up you feel the need to continually post in this bitch, not about the topic, but rather a laundry list of my apparent psychopathy, is actually quite flattering. 😉
Look at you, PK, going on about my spelling errors again! For some of us here, this is just a casual place. Unlike you, for me this isn’t real life, I’m not trying to set an example, and and I don’t feel the need to proofread something I’m typing out on the tiny keys of my blackberry as I’m taking a poo!
…and YES, I have spoken personally on LTWWB; we all do….however I don’t do it compulsively and endlessly like you.
LOL I was right! It’s raining menstrual blood.
And wonder who Z stole the BlackBerry from.