To the ‘eatery’ frequented by young drunk people… your bouncer assaulted me. At what point did this 300 lb man think that I (A TINY WOMAN) was going to give him trouble? You didn’t bother to ask me to leave before lifting me off the ground, why? Because you were bored and it was easy for you. I’ve filed a police report and I’ve sent a letter to the owner. I hope other women don’t believe you when you say “Who’s going to believe a drunk girl?” —Bruised and Abused
This article appears in Sep 15-21, 2011.
And exactly what were you doing to cause the bouncer to pick you up and remove you?
lol what would she have to be doing to justify a man who outweighs her by a hundred pounds putting his hands on her BT? Let’s hear it.
Must have been after that SlutWalk lol
You probably thought that noone would touch you because you’re small, and someone called your bluff and you’re pissed. Only yourself to blame OP.
Oh let’s see fighting, throwing things, causing a disturbance, any number of things. Bouncers have the RIGHT, under law, to remove any persons from the premises, using as much force as necessary, to do so. I’ve said it once and I’ll say it 100 times, dealing with men who are jackasses are much easier than women who are jackasses.
Defence of house or real property
41. (1) Every one who is in peaceable possession of a dwelling-house or real property, and every one lawfully assisting him or acting under his authority, is justified in using force to prevent any person from trespassing on the dwelling-house or real property, or to remove a trespasser therefrom, if he uses no more force than is necessary.
Assault by trespasser
(2) A trespasser who resists an attempt by a person who is in peaceable possession of a dwelling-house or real property, or a person lawfully assisting him or acting under his authority to prevent his entry or to remove him, shall be deemed to commit an assault without justification or provocation.
I hope that helps.
” Bouncers have the RIGHT, under law, to remove any persons from the premises, using as much force as necessary, to do so.”
That’s not what I was told when I did it in undergrad. During my few years as a bouncer I diffused a number of situations without using any force. I suppose I could have but there’s such a thing as assault, unnecessary force, and good ol’ diplomacy and chatting.
Bouncers aren’t cops and aren’t even close.
What part of “as much force as NECESSARY” do you not understand? If you tell somone on the property to leave and they do voluntary, then no force is necessary, if they don’t leave then force will have to be used. How much force will depend on the situation. BIG, obviously they didn’t teach you the Force Continuum. Here’s a broad interpretation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_continu…
now you all know why i don’t wanna be a cop again. t.o., is the worst place to be one, next to montreal.
BT you should have posted that Force Continuum pie-chart from hell thing printed in the evidence notebooks… I never understood that one!
this one?
http://www.reallifesuperheroes.org/wp-cont…
seems a bit convoluted.
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While we don’t know the whole story, it’s not like this shit doesn’t happen. I almost got kicked out of one place because when I was walking to the dance floor, some bouncer cut me off and I almost knocked into him then he grabs my arm and asked “Where did you come from?!” I pointed behind me and said “over there?” And then he let me go. Like wtf. Then once I just entered a bar and looked around for someone to show my id as they are usually right there. There wasn’t anyone there so my friend and I looked for a table and then someone grabbed me by my hood of my coat, yanked me backward and yelled at me “do you have id?!” But I’m sure I deserved that right?
Brotim, what part of ‘law enforcement professional’ in your handy wikipedia link do YOU not understand?
Not surprising that a lot of punks grow up and become bouncers. Hey, why not get paid for physically harassing women? Nice work if you’re a TOOL.
@Xenophilia…..a lot of punks grow up? Hell no, they become bouncers………they never grow up!
Aren’t these twits employed by Suck-Yer-Ass or some such outfit? Ya could be trolling the mall for loitering or evicting l’il women for boistering……thank fuck they are not permitted to carry a weapon……other than their thick skull.
maybe that’s because as a product of the 90’s, a lot of bouncers learned their technique from Uncle Phil.
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Right, as much force as necessary. Which isn’t much for a 100 pound woman. I do agree with you that they can be more difficult to deal with than men.
So let me get this straight. Cops/former cops/bouncers blindly defend all other cops/former cops/bouncers.
Cuz you sure as hell seem to ALWAYS give those who have authority the benefit of the doubt. Probably cause you’ve never been on the other side of their fists/boots/batons.
Poor Tommy the eternal victim. Of course I’m wrong as a hundred pound woman can never be dangerous. It just seems strange the OB never told us the whole story. But it is strange you say I take sides but then again so do you. But I ask to know the whole story. I know from experience when a story is partially told then the person telling it is hiding something.
hiding something?
whatever are you talking about….
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The OB never stated what happened prior to her being removed. I call that hiding something. Or is she saying that out of the blue the bouncer picked her up and threw her out? No something happened but she won’t say.
Oh and remember every bar out there have cameras throughout. The first thing the cops get is the video.
No problem in the world that can’t be solved by good, old-fashioned “Roadhouse” type ass-kicking
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That’s the one Triple Z… hate that one…
You very well could be right BT. In my experience, though, resorting to physical force before asking a patron to leave is not protocol. I’ve had a few friends that were bouncers who will confirm this. They will also confirm that many of their colleagues enjoy fucking with people because they are buddy buddy with the cops, so they rarely, if ever, face repercussions.
lol @ eternal victim, get bent.
They’re not martial artists or even cops. They didn’t go through years or even months of physical enforcement training to become bouncers. They’re just big guys who are paid to keep unwanted gusts out.
You were an unwanted guest OP. For one of two reasons..
Either you did something to deserve to get thrown out.
Or you didn’t.
Either way, you weren’t wanted on the premises. And on top of being thrown out “aggressively” (I’ve never heard of a passive bouncer…) this is sort of what’s REALLY bugging you, isn’t it? You were excommunicated my deah. And it pisses you off just a little..
I hope your injuries are not too extensive. I assusme you HAVE injuries, pain, bruising.. otherwise the force used on you was not excessive.
He didn’t assault you. He removed you. Since when did the line on that get blurred?
Now on the other hand if you ARE injured.. (and no, we’re not talking about your pride) then you may have a case against the guy.
But if the guy simply put his hands on you and pushed you out the door and nothing happened to you then i don’t see the problem here. They wanted you removed. You were removed. Get over yourself.
Yes, people who are in authoritative positions with no checks and balances don’t ever abuse their power.
Funny, whenever I go out I have no problem with bouncers. Ever.
In fact, usually while going in or out or waiting in lines or getting my ID checked, I usually end up striking up a conversation with them and they’re generally really friendly. A simple “thanks, bud, have a great evening” upon receiving your ID back goes a long way.
WHen I was in quebec, we’d frequent this one club (omg amazingest club ever AND no cover) and the same bouncers would be at the door and whenever we’d go in we’d always hi five them. lolz. Funny big Frenchmen! lol
It helps not being fall down drunk going in or out of the club, it helps not making a scene or being on drugs while going in or out or while in the club, and it generally helps not to have a bad attitude (especially over being ID’d). It especially helps to have your ID in hand ready to give to them when you’re going into the club.
Oh and treating them like human beings also helps. Bouncers get treated like shit by a lot of people.
But, then again, I don’t go to the skeezy clubs around these parts so, perhaps my advice isn’t the best for a dome of liquor or a certain palace of crappiness.
… and by ‘striking up a conversation’ I probably mean ‘flirting.’ I don’t consciously flirt, I only intend it as friendliness, honest, but more often than not, my wit and charm and outgoing friendliness is seen as flirtiness.
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You’re right Tommy, unless a fight has already broken out then the patron is asked to leave (the second step of the Force Continuum, presence being first). Again what was she doing and why won’t she say. Of course if she was yelling at someone she may have not heard it was time for her to leave.
The problem with your comment Bro Tim, is the “as much force as necessary”
Your interpretation of what is “necessary force” & that of someone else, say mine is probably very different.
Most importantly a JUDGE is going to decide in his mind whether you used too much force & if causes bruising, torn clothing (from lifting her off the floor) etc. will probably be too much force…if she was just too buzzed & she hasn’t assaulted someone ,thrown a bottle etc. being a drunk mouthy bitch is not grounds for physical assault, even by a bouncer.
I’ve seen bouncers play their bullshit games in Halisux & in many other places when I was younger & lived on the Darkside. Being over 6′ 1 & in those days weighing in around 260 and working as a construction scaffolder/rigger I was in good physical condition, seeing as we’d carry 2 scaffold frames in each arm at 50+ each so over 200 lbs & do it all day & none of those weight lifting bozo’s ever tried to grab me.
That’s one thing I often noticed, when it was someone their own size, they called the cops or attempted to have the whole bouncer crew move in…they look funny when they’re all laid out from picking on the wrong guy & his friends.
Which is where we put 5 of them at the old Lucifer’s one night in Dartmouth when one of them suckered a friend & we objected
~:) …ah the good old days, when a punch in the mouth/fist fight was how a difference was settled instead of shooting at each other .
More, I’m not disagreeing. The problem with THIS incident is that there is little information. What I am saying is that all bars have cameras all over the place and this is one of the first things the police get. There is something the OB is not saying. There are good bouncers and bad bouncers and I’ve known both, just like good and bad cops. I’ve also known small women who have kciked the shit out of bigger men.
Ah the good old days when differences were settled by a good clean fist fight.
BT thinks this 100lbs. girl must be a Syrian assassin capable of taking out 25 marines, 99 bouncers and 100 cooks.
I’ve also seen cops tell patrons outside that they’re going to use their police powers to find out where the drunk punk lives and then come looking for them. That’s bit of a bully/scare tactic regardless; basically stating that they’re going to harrass them because the dumb drunk kid didn’t move fast enough. This is after a bouncer shoved them to the ground while they were minding their own business.
Tommy is right about using physical force before asking a patron to leave. Legally you’re not allowed to. If you just grab someone and choke them or hit them or even put your hands on them it’s assault.
Bro Tim has this thing that we should all conform to whatever (so-called) authority there is though. And if you disagree then you’re an asshole.
BIG you really have to read what I wrote and the Criminal Code. If the fight is going on then it’s hands on right away to stop it. If you read first the steps are presence, then verbal command, and after that as much force as NECESSARY to remove a person from the premises. And those three steps can occur within seconds of each other. In fact the steps between presence and lethal force can occur within seconds.
The 100lb girl could be in martial arts, rugby, wrestling, a cop, the military, etc etc etc or armed.
Assuming there was a fight, which could not be the case. Rugby? She going to line-out the bouncer to death?
I am like 110 pounds and the NECESSARY force to get rid of me is barely anything. Of course I would leave if I was told to but seriously, the boy hurts me giving me hugs.
Those rugby girls can be mighty intimidating! They can wrap their tree trunk legs around you and break your ribs!
I agree there’s very little info, on what she did or didn’t do to get her flung.
I was simply commenting on the ‘as much force as necessary’ . Portion of your comment & how things are different now than 25/30 years ago. People using guns was a much rarer occurance, the knife was the more often weapon involved in violent situations , if a weapon was used at all.
Not that we never seen or heard of a shooting incident…but I never remember it being multiple times a week !
They’re not in it for the money, that’s for sure More.
I head butted that fat prick Adam Morely at the dome one time after he got within an inch of my face and started cursing and spitting. THREE of his cronies proceeded to attempt to bash my skull in right in front of a cop, who of course did nothing. They were pussies though, they all hit me a few times each in the head and I was fine, not a scratch, bruise or lump on me. Not even a headache. They really aren’t that tough, anyone can rough up a drunk.
I won’t cry victim, I threw the first blow,even though I felt well within my rights (I don’t make a habit of getting in stranger’s faces for that reason) I just thought it was funny how a 350 lb man couldn’t fight his own battle. I believe I was 19, maybe 20.
I cooperated with authorities and spent the night in the drunk tank without incident. I felt like it was well worth it. That guy had been giving me and my friends a hard time for a while.
It was actually pretty funny, there were no words exchanged, no shit talking as the cops dragged me off. I didn’t even say a word to him. He got in my face, I smashed him, his boys beat me down, I was cuffed, stood there for a sec lookin at him bleeding out of his mouth, told my boys to chill out, and off to the holding cell I went. I still think I made the right decision and I’d do it again. I don’t tolerate people getting in my face, nor should anyone.
Just to tell the whole story, they had an issue with the length of my shirt, but they weren’t speaking loud or clearly enough for me to hear what they were saying. Mumbling and looking at their feet. I just kept saying “I’m sorry?” “Excuse me? I can’t hear you.” I thought I was being polite and level headed, but they must have thought otherwise.
The shirt in question was a medium sized Chaps polo from The Bay, anything smaller wouldn’t have fit me. So Morely, who I wasn’t even talking to, decides to come from several feet away and get right in my face and started cursing me out. So I hit him. With my forehead, stumbling him. Then time stood still for a moment while everyone processed what had just happened and then his boys jumped me.
This all could have been avoided if the guy had been professional in the first place and looked me in the eye and said “I’m sorry, you can’t come in, dress code”. You know, like a man. I genuinely couldn’t hear him.
I don’t even think he (Morely) was on duty, he was out of uniform and had a drink in his hand. He didn’t appear to be performing any duties. Didn’t look like a non alcoholic drink but I suppose it’s possible. *eyeroll*
Since then I’ve noticed he’s toned down the aggression a little bit. I still say he’s a fat prick.
Have I told this story on here before? I feel like I might have.
There’s a dress code at the Chunder Dome? Now THAT’S funny!!
“Chunder Dome” – Hear, hear, well said, Bruce!
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G’day Bruce! Sorry mate, but today I’m feeling a little more like Eric.
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yes tommy you have, but that’s otay because http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrCPIrs90eg
lol what’s REALLY funny is that I can still get in there. Somehow I never made it on to the banned list. Not really my scene anymore though.