I am a little perplexed at why someone would want to see anyone (let alone a beloved member of their family) suffer any longer than absolutely necessary with a terminal disease. It is considered inhumane to treat our pets this way, maybe we need to change our views on how we treat our own kind.
There is a group in BC that is going to start a legal battle, hoping it will end in the Supreme Court, trying to lift the ban on assisted suicide. I was listening to a certain news radio station based in the maritimes, and could not believe that in this day in age that there would actually be people against this. I do have to say that a good number of the opposed were condemning it for religious beliefs, but not all.
I am a firm believer that religion has absolutely no business entering into politics, not everyone is religious, and therefore do not have the representation we deserve. This is not the premise for this bitch, some of the most ridiculous reasons were given for opposition such as:
1. What if a young person were to break up with their significant other and out of depression be allowed to be assisted in death?
2. What if an elderly person didn’t want to live on after their spouse has died?
3. We would have to rewrite insurance policies to ensure that this process is covered.
And a bunch of other utterly braindead scenarios.
As if the federal government would make it a retail revolving door death shop for profit, where at noon someone decides to end it all, and by 2:00 they are dead. Utterly fucking ludicrous! Does anyone really think that there will not be some drawn out legal process where lawyers and multiple doctors will have to endorse this procedure? It makes me sick that we live in a society where the last shred of dignity has to be ripped from us in the form of suffering till the bitter end. Come on people we as a collective society can do much better than this!!! —Dignified Exit for Me Please
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And this is why I hate semantics.
As far as Iknow, it’s not a ban, it’s against the law.
They’ll change the assisted assisted suicide laws right after they legalize pot.
Really though, if a loved one was begging for the release of death, would the ‘law’ make a difference in what you’d do?
You already have your ‘freedom of choice’ and your ‘dignified exit’ if you want them: it’s called suicide. Why insist on involving someone else? If you want to be in charge of when you die, do it before you need someone to help you.
Justin Bieber seems to have found a novel way of obtaining an “assisted suicide”
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…and that is , of course, the name of a small village in Belgium. Just a kilomtre up the road from Gnoshytte.
so if some old, decrepit person is living happily… but then tries to get out of bed one day and finds they can’t and breaks their hip and legs and is in complete pain….
it gets gangrenous and painful but they cannot barely lift a finger…
oh well.
too late, you can’t do it yourself….
a little short-sighted Mac.
I’m all for it.
I say….
1. go for it… I’d have taken this option a few times in my days… and see, everyone else would be much happier had I had the actual option.
2. that’s totally fair… let em. they don’t want to live without the person they shared a life with, why not?
3. insurance policies? so rewrite them. they had to be written once, why not just include additional assisted suicide disclaimers? seems valid.
-and not swayed in favor of the fucking company either…. have to prove they DIDN’T kill themselves to collect or some bs like that…. That I can see taking a little longer to weed out the loopholes.
I say sign on the line and start filling up the queue.
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I was listening to this as well and I wanted to punch my computer screen because of the arguments you listed. People who don’t understand what it is or how it’s done are the one’s blocking it. Just fucking look into it instead of assuming all of these ridiculous scenarios! It’s not like it’s going to be a fucking drive-thru! People who get it done in Sweden go through a bunch of tests and screening to make sure they’re not just crazy and that they have a legitimate reason. It’s not that people are “insisting” on involving someone else, it’s because it would be a nicer way to go to just have a doctor inject you with something rather than sit in your family’s home garage with the car on or jump in front of a subway train or go through an overdose. Most people who want to die because of their medical reasons can’t even walk or move let alone go out and end themselves. Just because you could never possibly think of ending your own life, doesn’t mean you have to impose that on others. Don’t like it? Don’t do it.
I think OP is talking about situations where people are being kept alive by technology even if it means they are suffering for it. These patients aren’t able to just die, they need doctors to stop treatment and let them pass on in a humane manner.
I do believe in assisted suicide in hopeless situations when one is in an painful, undignified state worse than death. It would have to signed off by the patient and a doctor.
definitely be sure to sign the DNR on your will for starters….
can’t have people killing themselves and then wanting to be saved the next moment.
just have a quick look for these beauties and start munching…
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http://www.shortcourses.com/naturelog/wate…
http://www.peanut.org/mike/text/hemlock.JP…
they’re fairly abundant all over canada
we do treat our pets better op. i have witnessed family and friends basically starve to death, my father-in-law begged us to stock pile his pain pills so he could go quietly into that good night. we didn’t and i wish we had, because he lasted a few more months in needless agony
MacSt, suicide is not an option for everyone. A desire to commit suicide may be precluded by physical incapability?
OP, religion will never be fully separated from politics, as they both deal with morality. And the extent to which constituents view themselves as religious will always determine how much politics involve religion. But keep wishing.
I have a cousin whose life stopped 10 to 15 years ago. He has a degenerative nerve disease and slowly lost his life, bit by bit. He’s about 29 now. He can no longer chew or swallow food, he can’t talk, he’s incontinent, he can’t move his body at all, he’s also blind and breathes on a respirator. he is locked in his body with no communication skills whatsoever. what makes it even worse is that I hear that his brain is still ok; he can think like a normal person (dont ask me how they know that). Everyone now calls him by a silly pet name instead of his real one; as if he’s nothing but a silly cockatoo!
For me, I cant imagine enduring the process of death for 15 years. I think it would be akin to being buried alive. And if my cousin feels the same way, he can`t express it in any way since he lost his ability to communicate a long time ago. I feel so sorry for him.
Sorry, it happened 15 to 20 years ago; he was 10ish when he first got sick.
I do heartily agree, that a person should be allowed to be assisted in death. But wait now,let’s not all start lining up for a suicide booth. There is a certain time and place for it, and when things don’t work, or in pain, is time. I would have no problems with someone helping me, if I cannot do it myself. Yes, politics is one huge hurdle, the other is this God thing. Time to come out of the dark ages, and see our world in 2011.
I’m really sorry about your cousin Z, that sounds like Hell on Earth. To not be able to move, speak or see but still be aware, it makes me shudder.
Good luck getting money out of the insurance company from your family member’s assisted “suicide.”
Thanks Trondon4! I feel bad for him! His parents are diehard catholics, but even if they weren’t, I’m sure it would still be a really hard decision for anyone to actually go through with ending a loved one’s life. I think assisted suicide on the part on the part of the helper is a totally selfless act that would be extremely difficult to follow through with (does the government REALLY think people would suddenly be doing it all the time? Yeah, right!), but if I were my cousin I’d want someone to do it for me.
i think his parents are more worried about going to “Hell” themselves for helping their son end a miserable existence; afterall, he’s not the one who’d be ending his life so he’d go straight to “Heaven”; it’d be them burning for eternity!. Too bad they can’t realize that what that poor guy is experiencing while still ‘alive” is one of the few types of Hell that actually exists!!
Oh just kill me now. Who cares. You want to die, good, or whatever … I must be honest … I didn’t bother reading the bitch really.
Okay so someone wants assisted suicide and before they can say they want to go, they slip into unconsciencous or in a coma, then who decides when? Who decides for a child or for someone mentally incompetent? It’s easy to say you can assist, it’s quite another to do it.
It would be one of, if not, the most difficult piece of legislation to ever be pounded out.
Good for you donk, you have an opinion on something you didn’t read or fully understand. It’s probably idiots like you who signed the bill in the house of commons to make this illegal in the first place.
How can a government be arrogant enough to think they can make a blanket law that makes it illegal to deny a compassionate plea to shorten the suffering of an already dying persons life? Oh that’s right… God said it was a sin. There is no possible way one can come to any other conclusion, no reasonable person without the influence of religion would deny someone their dignity by making them suffer to the bitter end.
but if we let people die naturally, think of all the money those poor doctors would lose.
MacSt. Ridiculous! Suicide is a surprisingly hard feat to pull off. And if you fail.. and you’re lucky you go to jail. Unlucky and you wind up in a mental institution.
It’s disgusting that this gamble is the only option.
ik, suicide is not illegal.
Way to go brotim, we should do nothing because it’s difficult. There’s an award winning attitude from our constabulary, whew (wipes forehead) doin stuff is hard. Nyaaaa bakem away toys wheeeeze.
The category of person I’m talking about Bro Tim is somebody that is terminally ill and is suffering a great deal but is competent enough to make the decision to end their life.
You’re right in the fact that people in a coma is a trickier situation. The next of kin would make that decision as long as a doctor concurs that there isn’t any reasonable chance of recovery.
Or attempted suicide for that matter.
If assisted suicide is allowed, then how do we ensure that there are no conflicts of interest? Just think about…how do I know that the expert on death has my best interests? What happens to research for conditions where 99% of sufferers are committing suicide? Are you guys aware of how many people suffer from depression at least once in their life?
SHITD, exactly where did I say do nothing. I said it would be extremely difficult. And maybe it will be impossible. I never said don’t look at it, just that one needs to be very very careful.
I know what you’re saying GV but this where a doctor, an impartial medically-trained party, would have to co-sign. The research part I don’t understand GV. Are you talking about keeping the patient alive so study can be done on the effects of the disease on their body at that stage? If not, I don’t see how this affects research.
The “expert on death” should be the patient, the one wanting to end their life. Nobody else.
I meant what happens to the funding for research whenever 99% start to commit suicide? I just don’t believe that the motivation to find treatment or a cure will be there.
It’s obviously going to be a difficult decision. I don’t think it will ever be something that will not have to be looked at on a case by case basis. With that I will include, there will probably have to be a panel of experts, at the very least the persons family physician, and probably their lawyer. It’s not an easy decision for anyone, and there will never be a blanket law that gives anyone “carte blanche” to any one person to make a decision like this. All these ridiculous scenarios people keep coming up with are a non issue. Sorry brotim it just pisses me off when people say it is difficult, that’s a given, but something has to be done. A family member of mine went to Switzerland to have this procedure done, her only regret was she had to be in a certain condition to fly, so of course her stay on this earth was cut shorter than she wanted. If this stupid fucking country would wake up and look at cases like hers she wouldn’t have had to go so early. My father accompanied her, and was amazed with the respect and compassion that the clinic gave them both. On his return he was picked up by police, questioned and let go, no charges were laid, but only after it was proven that he had absolutely no participation in anything pertaining to the planning or facilitation of this venture.
This is exactly how things should not have turned out, but hey what can you do, right?
GV, I really do not think the motivation to find a cure changes whether it’s the disease or assisted suicide BECAUSE of the disease that ends people’s lives.
Stephen … I don’t have an opinion … that’s prob why I posted my drivel. I think you’ll find, and probably already know … Donk is not the most serious of people. Pay no attention. The stronger minds in society (ie you) need space to think. So in order to remain at your maximum bandwidth just scroll past my smack.
The only reason the government opposes this kind of thing, is that they want to keep people productive tax payers for as long as possible – not because they are compassionate or because they care, lol. You are simply a means to an end, for them. That is why suicide is illegal, of all things. Don’t let the government tell you what to do with your own body… fuck them!