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Why is prostitution still illegal here? I don’t get it, legalizing it has worked beautifully back home. There are so many benefits. Come on Halifax, what are you afraid of? Fire and Brimstone?
—so smite me
This article appears in Feb 26 – Mar 4, 2009.
113 Comments
Small town mentality. I’m all for legalization of prostitution but the goddamn prune lipped prudes of N.S. society refuse to consider it as a good source of revenue and a safe haven for women who choose to offer their bodies for money. Europeans are so much more enlighted than we narrow-minded hillbillies.
Agreed. Church and state are apparently not as separated as we’d like to think. Think about prostitution laws before you brag to your American buddies about how ‘sexually liberated’ we Canadians are.
Maybe it doesn’t have that much to do with the church and more with common parents anticipating their daughter’s future career choices.
no kay, I think it’s the church prudes and ultra-conservatives who’ve made it to places of power.
I’m pretty sure it’s far from being a glamorous job unless you’ve got the whole goddess thing going for ya, which is few and far between.
Lately, TTFN is making more and more sense. Europe’s seeming the place to be more and more.
kay, I’d rather have my daughter working in a brothel where there are security guards, showers, condoms, regular STI screenings, clean sheets, panic buttons, etc. Id rather her be working for a legit business with dental and health care included, one that requires her to be of age. Than her working on a smutty street corner where she could be in danger of getting arrested, or abused, or raped, or killed, or all of the above. You sound like you’d be a horrible parent. And zZz is right, it has everything to do with religious morals we’ve clung to for far too long. But zZz is wrong in that it can be a very fulfilling, rewarding, and even glamorous job, if only people could open their minds.
I agree with Todd.
I actually have a friend in the States who is a sex worker, not a prostitute, a dominatrix. She makes loads of money and has a glamorous lifestyle. She’s very professional and safe. She’s running her own business, not being taken advantage of by a pimp. She loves her job. I believe being a dominatrix is legal, simply because they don’t have actual intercourse with their clients. But when you get down to it it’s all under the same umbrella. Sex workers should have the right to practice in a safe environment. I think if prostitution was legal these people could lead lives similar to my friends life.
Is this the same poster who was looking for high class escorts a few weeks ago?
Me? No. But it’s interesting that escorts can sell ‘time’ legally so that society’s elite can buy sex without going to a street corner when they visit Halifax. But what do I know, they could be playing scrabble!
OMG… you bitches are so young! With prostitution as a viable career choice for women, imagine this conversation with your 13 year old daughter…
Daddy, I want to be a prostitute when I grow up. It doens’t cost anything because they don’t teach prostitution at the university but the ladies of the night are pretty, they have beautiful clothes, really nice shoes, they have lots of money get dental benefits too! My baby sister could come with me! It must make you so proud to have all the girls in the family able to so much money. You could quit your job, Daddy! Oh and then uncle Tom could just come and see me at work instead of touching me under the dinner table all the time. Maybe Mommy should be a prostitute too.
Come on! As a society we can’t sanction this kind future abuse for our women. What’s wrong with you? It’s not a religious sentiment to protect our children and their future.
It took me a long time to understand this. I too once thought the whores should have to pay taxes and have safe work environments like the rest of us but at this cost? No thank you.
Well said kay! I completely agree with you! The perverted whores shouldn’t be allowed to turn our sweet innocent little girls into dirty skanks! If we legalize this, women will be running amok doing whatever and whoever they want OUT OF WEDLOCK and getting PAID for it. They don’t deserve to be paid for scumming up the earth!
Wow, looks like we got a Bible-thumper in our midst…
I agree that prostitution should be legalized, but I certainly wouldn’t want to have that kind of career discussion with my daughter (if I have one). It seems like an “easy way out” for women who don’t have the money for an education, or would rather make tons of money NOW rather than go to school for several years to make half as much.. Do we really want more uneducated civilians? Not that that would be the case in every ’employee’ of the trade. Like strippers, I would imagine they would use the money to get into a better life style. If prostitution became legal it would have to be really strictly regulated, and there would probably be harsh guidelines in place to make it difficult for everyone and their dogs to become hookers, which would probably lead to some women working street corners with pimps any way.
Hey kay,
How is making prostitution legal abusing women? When it’s illegal women are physically abused, raped, and even killed, they cant seek help from the police because then they will be arrested. While in places where it’s legal none of this happens. Whether it’s illegal or not there are always going to be prostitutes. It’s simply a choice between poor, sick, and abused prostitutes and well-off, healthy, and safe prostitutes.
You’re choosing the option that abuses women.
Hypocrite.
“They tempt and seduce respectable men and ruin their careers”
Wow, sounds like someone got screwed over by going to a whore in the past… You can’t blame women for selling sex if Men are willing to buy it, and you can’t blame men for buying it if women are selling it. Chicken or egg.
If prostitution were legalised, it wouldn’t exactly become this new awesome job, it would just be safer for those who are currently doing it, and who do it in the future. If your kid comes up to you and tells you they want to be a whore, its because you’ve raised them poorly, not because prostitution is suddenly legal.
No one decides they want to sell themselves to gross old men because of the benefits involved. There is a difference here between prostitues and escorts and dominatrixes, and the like. You can’t go be a prostitute and get the glamour without the paid for basically forced sex.
Oh my lord, quake, I can just imagine you’re a real treat to be around. Prostitution fills an existing demand. They don’t tempt and seduce respectable men; men that pay for sex need not the temptation or seduction. As for little girls dreaming of being hookers, really? I’ve heard girls wishing they were a princesse or pop star, but a prostitute?(plus, if her uncle Tom is touching her under the table and she understands that money could be made from this, she’s far too clever for such a profession) I don’t know whether it should be legalized or not, but the underlying causes of prostitution have existed forever and won’t change because of an amendment to provincial law.
Thanks quake for proving my church and state comment.
kay, the fact that quake agrees with you should tell you something about how tragically wrong you are.
Well put Nanners! If prostitution were legalized it would be just like it was over in the Geisha Districts of Japan. They were entertainers, but alot of them also had sex for the moneyt hat they received. Then there were the “dirty” prostitues that dressed like Geisha and charged way less. Either way, you’re still going to have woman on the streets being abused. Why not offer it so that they can call for help when needed and get the proper medical attention and take the proper precautions. At least if it were legal they would have a panic button so that if someone WERE trying to abuse them they could call for help.
country_girl, I agree with you.
And to top it off… legalized workers would not be arrested for calling for help. As it stands now if a prostitute gets raped and calls the police it’s likely that they will find out she’s a prostitute and arrest her. Then she has a criminal record which pretty much screws up any chance of getting a different, safer job. Employers don’t like criminal records. At least if it was legalized these people would have the option of getting out of prostitution if they wanted to.
I don’t see whats criminal about selling something that belongs to you.
IT DOESN’T BELONG TO THEM TODD IT BELONGS TO GOD!
They deserve to be arrested because they ARE criminals DUH! Selling something that doesn’t belong to you is a CRIMINAL OFFENSE! Right kay? Back me up!
Hahaha…yeah kay, back him up.
Some points:
– I more or less agree with Todd.
– Personally, I think a lot of johns who pay for sex with street or brothel hookers are basically paying for rape. They don’t think of it as rape because it’s “her choice” but they don’t really care how free her choice may actually be.
– Any legalization of prostitution should include extra funding for services to help women get out of the trade who are in it because of drug addiction and lack of education. A fairly large percentage I would think. I think it’s fair to say no children grow up seriously dreaming of being a prostitute, which I think says a lot about what a great way of making a living it is.
– Don’t worry Kay, I’m sure if prostitution is legalized they will be slut shamed just as much as ever.
– When there’s lack of legalization you get situations such as this
http://thechronicleherald.ca/Metro/1103826…
…a fucking kid being arrested for being exploited. What they really should do is remove the penalties for prostitutes and penalize the johns instead…the ones with the most power.
Hahaha, quakey seems a little desperate for assistance here. And, I’m pretty sure “it” DOES belong to them. Disregarding, of course, that “Property of God” stamp on everybody’s genitals…
Quake is an obvious troll, don’t humor him/her.
I fully support the legalization and regulation of prostituion. A person’s body is their property and no one else’s, to use, modify and enjoy in any way they see fit.
Regarding one of the earlier comments, there likely is no school for prostitutes…yet. With the legitimacy that legalization would provide, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the sex trade evolve into a romanticized art form, complete with training. Anyone ever watch Serenity?
Actually quake “it” DOES belong to me. It’s MY choice who I sleep with. I think that’s the point that you’re missing. Am I a harlot because I enjoy being intimate? So what if it’s out of wedlock. And even if the “pleasure providers” weren’t enjoying it, if it were legalized and they took that as their job, that’s still them consenting to it.
“A person’s body is their property and no one else’s, to use, modify and enjoy in any way they see fit.”
That’s a nice ideal, but I’d argue that when you engage in prostitution, you are in fact renting out the ownership to another for a set period of time. Sure, you can reinvoke your “property” rights at any time, in theory, but without any guarantee that your ownership will be honoured, I’m not sure how relevant “owning your own body” actually is, except to elite prostitutes who work for themselves and can afford security.
Perhaps one day it will be relevant, but that would be a very different world.
I want kay to respond to Mole Rat and Nanners.
I sort of get what Mole Rat is saying. But I don’t think that paying someone for sexual favors makes you own their body for a set period of time. I don’t own the body of my massage therapist when getting a massage because I’m paying them to relax my back muscles. We all own our own bodies, we just use each others’ bodies. Whether or not there is money being exchanged in the process is no concern of the government unless someone is getting hurt. And prostitutes are getting hurt! So legalize it already!
I agree with Todd, Nanners, and country_girl.
If anyone’s interested, Penn and Teller did a show on prostitution in their series “Penn & Teller, Bullshit!” You can find it on the internet.
halifilm, I agree with you too and yeah I’ve watched Serenity.
True Nanners, my phrasing probably could have used some work. I guess what I meant to say was that some johns feel (conveniently) that they have purchased ownership of the prostitute’s body for the set amount of time, ignoring that any service provider has the right to refuse service if guidelines aren’t followed. I agree that women own their own bodies, but if you’re in an abusive situation where you have no bodily autonomy, that ownership can seem meaningless. I think we both agree is the problem is people thinking they have a right to own others’ bodies just because they have money.
I think you guys are over complicating the issue. If it’s legalized all this body ownership versus body usage stuff wont matter so much because johns won’t be able to get away with abusing prostitutes as easliy and in most cases not at all.
I think the real issue is that society is so sex phobic. I lived in a state where sodomy is illegal for awhile and I don’t see much of a difference between the government trying to regulate the bedrooms of homosexuals and the government trying to regulate the motel rooms of prostitutes.
When two people have sex they are both using each other for something. Usually for pleasure. A lonely person uses their partner to feel less alone. A horny person uses someone to get off. A stressed person to relax. To feel loved. To feel wanted. To be seen as a player. To become popular. Even to advance their career or up their grades in university. Groupies use celebrities sexually to mooch off the fame. And prostitutes use their partners for money, which I think is more acceptable than using someone to advance their career or grades.
I made a comment earlier that apparently didn’t get posted, which is that I think people with Kay’s POV are missing the point of legalization, which is harm reduction, not glamorization. People who take this POV even further seem to think that pros’ sufferings are a necessary price to pay for “keeping hooking dirty” … “for the sake of the children.” After all, they deserve it right? The sluts. And this argument doesn’t take into account the thousands of victims of human trafficking that are lumped in with prostitution.
Not to mention all of the young girls and boys who are below the age of consent getting exploited by this. I don’t think legalization will solve this problem completely here and I don’t think it will solve it at all in other places that are known for child sex workers. At the very least a legit business here has to abide by the laws other businesses have to. One of them being no underage kids in adult venues. How’s that for protecting the children kay?
One more example of why Kay is really fucked. Maybe she should start getting payed for it!
WHY is Kay the bad guy? I don’t want my daughter aspiring to become a whore just like I’m SURE none of you would want to have that talk with your babies let alone pay the fucking tuition. Are you out of your minds? You would have your mother, daughter, sister, aunt be a whore? That’s okay with you? You’re fucked in the head if you do!
If we sanction prostitution no amount of upbringing is going to undo the damage when society as a whole says prostitution is a viable career choice. It may very well lead to university courses on how to fuck johns better than the other whore or, worse, studying to specialize in some fetish. Weirdness abound
What is your problem kilo? Come on. We’ll all listen for a few minutes to learn how I fuck your day again and again. Have at’r
And Todd, Jesus, grow up or talk about something you have experience with. Better, open your mind a bit and realize the idea of your mother whoring to pay the rent sits just fine with you and should be fine with your father too since ya’ll get dental benefits from her working twat if we’re to get behind your arguments for legalization.
*shaking my head in disbelief*
Well lets look at the country that has legalized prostituion and marajana, The Netherlands. Right now they are having a second look at it. Why? An increase of crime. The thing they thought was going to decrease it has increased it.
http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNew…
So Todd when is your mother/sister/aunt/niece going into business? Maybe some here would like to rent them for awhile
You sound like those people who claim that legal gay marriage will lead to legalized polygamy or being able to marry a goat.
Horrors! If we protect pros from being raped with impunity, next they’ll want…cringe…DENTAL BENEFITS!!!
Why don’t you have anything to say about the harm reduction aspect of it?
You know, if I had a goose that laid golden eggs I wouldn’t bother studying to improve my career choices. Why? We all have a Mom. WHY would any man work again ever if he were “lucky” enough to seduce a “golden goose”? Why would a man want to strive for anything if his mom and sisters are “golden geese”. Can you not see how legalizing prostitution is a BACKWARD move for society at large and would also hurt the men?
Once we see the affects I think we’d suddenly see a lot of lesbian relationships emerge regardless of sexual preference favoring economy over family. Men, smarten up! If we legalize prostitution you have no more power or usefulness in the home aside from the occasional sperm cell necessary to reproduce.
MoleRate, does this sound like harm reduction to you? Do you have kids? A mother? A sister? Tell me where the harm reduction is in this:
“Daddy, I want to be a prostitute when I grow up. It doens’t cost anything because they don’t teach prostitution at the university but the ladies of the night are pretty, they have beautiful clothes, really nice shoes, they have lots of money get dental benefits too! My baby sister could come with me! It must make you so proud to have all the girls in the family able to so much money. You could quit your job, Daddy! Oh and then uncle Tom could just come and see me at work instead of touching me under the dinner table all the time. Maybe Mommy should be a prostitute too.”
Pardon my typo, Mole Rat
I haven’t gone through the 39-ish comments, but, uh, prostitution IS legal in Canada. It’s soliciting that’s illegal. You can take money for sex, legally, but you can’t solicit it 😉
Seriously though, if all this shit was legal prostitutes would be paying taxes and hey maybe our health care system wouldn’t suck, or there’d be more money for public transit….who knows.
Nice little monologue there Kay. I enjoyed it when I read it the first time. You should look into adapting that for the stage.
To summarize, kay’s rebuttal to the argument…
If Prostitution Were Legalized:
1) The profession will become a fantastic (indeed, dream worthy) profession for all women, young and old. All other career options will pale in comparison.
2) An increase in homosexuality, primarily female homosexuality, will be noticed
3) Men, having given all their power away will no longer be needed in their homes, or society for that matter, other than for sperm donations
4) Universities will begin offering courses to the sudden endless supply of eager females who dream of something better than their uneducated counterparts
5) Finally, and most importantly, fathers and sons across the land will reap the medical and dental benefits that most certainly will follow
I think, folks, we can all agree and end this discussion with that.
kay, I can confidently say that most men would be thrilled with the prospect of more lesbian relationships. Why is more lesbian relationships a bad thing anyway? Oh I get it, you’re homophobic. Everyone here tore up all of your arguments ages ago, so stop desperately repeating yourself, go read them, and come back with something we haven’t already shot down. You crazy homophobe.
I second that! I’m a guy and I’m all for more lesbians! BRING ‘EM ON! And yes mrman, we can all agree that kay the crazy homophobe’s rebuttals are ludicrous and easily disproven by comments already made by almost everyone who has posted on this so far. In addition to being a guy I’m a sociology major and I’ve read and written loads about prostitution, studied the history, etc. kay really has no idea what he/she is talking about.
Is it just me, or has kays last couple of comments made absolutely no sense at all…
Pretty Kitty, I don’t think it really makes a difference if paying for sex is legal and soliciting it isn’t. Prostitutes are in the same shitty state either way.
And Bro Tim, funny how that article you linked came from a right wing tabloid that has been accused or pushing right wing propaganda. Nice.
Maybe I’ll become a lesbian, just to piss kay off.
And to everyone who has been throwing cheap shots about my female family members. I’ve already explained, clearly I thought, that if any of my family members became prostitutes I would rather them work in a legit brothel than on a dangerous street corner. I’d love them them just the same, prostitute or not.
ALL YOU PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HELL! Prostitutes can’t complain if they’re raped, they’re asking for it! I’m going to pray for all of your, hopeless, souls…
Okay I can’t do this anymore. I’ve been dicking around inspired by a conversation I had with my God fearing grandmother last week. Yes, there’s people who actually think like this. I wanted to see how people would react, and I must admit the responses were admirable. Especially mrman and his genital stamp comment, I don’t think I’ve ever laughed so hard, bravo!
To set the record straight:
kay, enough already, you’ve been defeated.
Todd, I agree with absolutely everything you’ve said.
now does everyone understand why I usually pass over her comments???
Kay, you’re forgetting that if it were legalised, in your scenario supply would rise dramatically, so as it surpassed demand, the prices would drop, since it’s readily available and would be somewhat regulated. So it’s not as if these girls would then be making tons of money, it would be like any minimum wage job out there. A fast food prostitute brothel on every street corner.
You certainly don’t have a very high view of the intelligence and self respect of yourself and other women if you think that pros being legalised would entice every woman out there to become one. Do you know a lot of people who currently say that if it were legalised they’d jump at the chance? No, its still NOT going to be a glamourous job for the average jill.
Its perfectly legal to be a nurse in Canada, and you can make tons of money, but not everyone wants to do it because its a dirty thankless job. Some people want to do it, and we have the demand (a huge demand) but guess what, there no amount of money in the world you could pay me to wipe shitty asses all day, and lots of people are like me in that respect. The same thing goes for selling my body, not gonna happen.
So Kay, would you become a pro if it were legalised and you could go to school for it?
I think you can all go fuck your mother and then get her view on the issue. No, bring home a john for her, let him fuck her for money and THEN ask her what she thinks of legalized prostitution.
I am FAR from defeat! How about the FACT that prostitution IS ILLEGAL and my views are SUPPORTED by YOUR government and ALL prior Canadian governments?
All you guys out there who think lesbians are cool… that’s only because YOU’RE GAY!!! Of course it means nothing to you and your ability to get fucked as your opinion and actions mean NOTHING to the propagation of our species (except for all those funky diseases designed to take you idiots out). Thank God you can’t procreate!
Go ahead, legalize prostitution and then do a pay scale comparison with ANY other profession… Doctor, Lawyer, Engineer and tell me WHY anybody would work for minimum wage or spend money on a tuition that could never generate the income whoring (with NO education and no tuition expense) produces. Then ask yourselves how much your daughter’s pussy could get a greedy father since inexperience in this field is worth something more than what the pro’s have to offer. This puts ALL school girls at risk. How much “intelligence and self respect” would come from a youth like that?… in a world where prostitution is placed in the light of a respectable and viable career choice. OMG!
Supply and demand… until every last one of you men turns homo there will ALWAYS be a wanting cock around even if he has his own harem of whores at home.
Perhaps, the upside would be fewer abortions of females over in China but what the FUCK does that do for anybody here?
Stop it with the meaningless personal attacks and trying to knock ME down. Instead, and I know this is painful, think outside the box, think AT ALL and use your energy on the REAL issue, you ignorant catty bitches!
Well then kay, how would you explain a situation such as the Netherlands. Prostitution there has been legal for a few decades, and none of what you have outlined has materialized. It’s legal, but it’s strictly controlled. Weed is in the same boat over there, but for a shorter period of time, and off topic. Sure, there are always people who want to take the easiest way out, but there are always people who will want to be educated, and who will always aspire to be doctors, lawyers, etc. One final thing: our government supports it because without the religious vote, certain government would not be in power. The religious demographic is a strong (and consistently voting, mostly due to the fact it’s comprised of older people) voting population and you have to ensure they’re pandered too. You may see something a bit differently if younger people came out to vote. But, they don’t and we’ve got a Conservative government.
Quake– Keep that “they deserve to be raped” kinda stuff in the church. When a Catholic priest molests a little boy (that’s rape sir) does the innocent deserve it? Didn’t know that religion taught ignorance. Oh, wait, it doesn’t. It teaches intolerance.
I don’t live in the Netherlands. I’ve never been there nor do I know the details of the prostitution implementation (they lumping legal pot in with the issue too… I also think they’re two different issues). All I know for sure is their government is second guessing the wisdom of such latitude for their people as it’s drawing criminals from all over the planet.
Have you ever had the career discussion with a young girl of the Netherlands? Didn’t think so. You don’t know what the lesbian population is over there either, do you? You just don’t know, strictly controlled or not, if parents make a regular practice of selling their daughter’s virginity and, in a society where prostitution is legal, it wouldn’t likely be a news worthy story either. You can’t say none of my predictions are happening over there.
Fever, you just drove home my point in that “other” bitch. It’s important our children understand the ramifications religion has on mankind… all religion.
Dr. Fever read quakes last comment…I don’t think he actually feels that way, but good point nonetheless.
kay, you are a homophobe and therefore any opinion you have about sex and human rights especially is not worth reading. But I personally will never stop trying to knock you down on this issue as long as you have a credible point (which currently you don’t) because I have absolutely no tolerance for someone as discriminant as you. And I’m sure there are many people gay, straight, bisexual etc. that are with me on that.
Calling you a homophobe is not a personal attack, it’s the truth, your last comment proved that. And no, I’m not gay, but if I were that wouldn’t make my opinion any less credible because believe it or not gay people are smart too.
My last comment stands, you need to calm down and come up with a fresh approach to your argument because I’m not going to keep repeating all the excellent points that have been made by everyone completely destroying everything you have said thus far.
kay, are you getting your suggested fresh approach from the right-wing accused of pushing right-wing propaganda article Bro Tim tried to slip in here? I agree with Todd. You can’t complain about personal attacks when you are ranting about how Todd should fuck his mother, grow up.
Oh and…
“I don’t live in the Netherlands. I’ve never been there nor do I know the details of the prostitution implementation.”
No shit.
You need to separate what is legal and is not legal. Prostitution in the Netherlands is basically controlled by brothels. What you outline of parents selling their daughter’s virginity constitutes as human trafficking/prostitution not outlined by their criminal code. Sure, it hasn’t eliminated all of the problems associated with prostitution (i.e.: drugs, rape, etc) but it’s eliminated about 80% of it. Face it: there are girls out there that are always gonna want to be in the “sex trades”. That’s why we’ve got porno. To your lesbian point, who cares? Honestly, if we have people out there who are who they want to be, we’d have a happier society. If there are more homosexual men and women, so be it. They’re being who they want to be, and they’re productive members of society.
I guess what I’m saying is… you can’t say your predictions are actually happening over there. Any more than I can say they aren’t.
I call on whoever wrote the bitch in the first place. Are any of kay’s concerns true?
Sorry, sometime sorting through 60 comments is tough.
Todd WANTS his mother to be fucked by pigs for money and YOURS TOO. Read his posts, FunkMonkey! He keeps defending this position!
If you’re not gay, Todd then you should hear this NEWSFLASH. Lesbians have NO use for you other than a sperm cell or two. Get it?
Homophobe? I have no phobias just an opinion derived from facts like disease, procreation and all those arguments that kept you fucking each other in the closets for so long. Ask yourself, what happens to a species that CAN’T procreate? Then ask Darwin… but this bitch is about prostitution… hmmm, something nearly guaranteed to be support by sexual deviants or the sexually immature. Which one are you?
Hey, bitcher here.
I’ve been following this since yesterday, didn’t really expect to get this many replies. This is my first time posting, and I don’t have enough time to keep doing it, so let me say this quick.
Back home there are still sex work related problems and still controversy, but most people opposing it are conservative people. It fixed a lot of the problems that Halifax still has. Revisiting the problem is happening not because legalization has causing more problems than it fixed but because the laws, like all laws, need amendments and tweaking to make them work better.
The general population believes it was a good thing.
Kay, prostitution doesn’t need to be legal for fathers to start selling their daughters virginities. That’s called being a pimp, which is what is happening now, and would be less likely if it were legalized properly.
Also less likely, pretty much everything you predict would happen.
Just because something is legal, does NOT make it a respectable and viable career choice, it just makes it so that you won’t get arrested. Cigarettes are legal, does that make the CEO of a cigarette company respected? Hell no. Joining the circus is a carrer choice, does that make it respectable and viable for everyone? Nope. Just because it’s not illegal doesn’t mean everyone is going to run out and do it.
I ask you again, do you know anyone who would go join the sex trade if it were legal? Would you do it? If you were going to be paid like a doctor, and given benefits and treated like a movie star, would you consider it? Because the panic this instills in you makes it sound like you would.
Actually, homosexuality in general has been shown to exist across the animal kingdom, and it isn’t fully known why it exists. Humans will procreate, don’t worry. There’s a reason why we’re always “in heat”. Also, what is your definition of a sexual deviant? Somebody who doesn’t do it missionary on a Saturday night, with the lights off?
All homophobes think their opinions are derived from fact. So do racists. And every other bigoted group of crazies.
Legalization won’t make people suddenly gay, gay people are born gay. But even if it did, even if half of us suddenly became gay, and even if all of those gay people decided not to have children (gay people CAN have children), the earths population would not suddenly deplete and become extinct. If anything it would help out, as we are currently grossly overpopulated.
Homosexuality has nothing to do with this kay.
Try again.
Kays facts proving gay people are deviants:
procreation- Already disproved. Read above
disease- The idea that gay people have caused more disease than straight people is so ridiculous and bigoted it makes me angry. Straight people have spread AIDs and other diseases just as much as gay people have.
I thought Todd was going a little far when he first called you out as a bigoted homophobe but it turns out he was right…again!
I have read all of Todds comments and none of them say that he wants my mother to be fucked by pigs. I have some advice for you kay, stop exaggerating peoples’ comments because you have no credible arguments and people just might start taking you seriously.
I wonder what kay thinks about Savage Love, you know the sex column in the back of this newspaper.
It is becoming clear none of you have paid for sex… er, paid enough for sex.
To be a “Madam” can be as financially lucrative as the CEO of the cigarette company finds his job as substantially lucrative. So would you if you had a bank account like that and a brain that calculated household budgets in the tens of thousands rather than the meager monthly stipend the “average citizen” really lives on. And just look at what the Madam selling! An endless supply of “live stock”.
Prostitution is fundamentally wrong and you all know it. You don’t even need a religion to tell you that, just a mother.
My mother thinks it should be legalized LOL!
So you have more experience paying for sex than we do? Please tell us more!
You’re contradicting yourself. First you say that no amount of good upbringing will solve the problem of girls wanting to be prostitutes, and now you’re saying we all know it’s fundamentally wrong, because our mothers taught us so. If we all know this, or at least most of us, then you don’t have to worry about everyone running out and becoming a whore.
Cigarettes cost about $10/pack and the tobacco company CEO is filthy fucking rich. Right? Can we agree with big bad Kay on that?
Ask your mother how much a 15 minute blow job is worth to her while sucking on a stranger over a condom (safety first, protect those sex workers! give them a minimum wage even LOL) How much overhead do you think that condom cost? Do the math, Nanners.
I’m sure some madams have made a great deal of money doing what they do. However, you seem reasonably certain that legalization will drastically increase the number of working prostitutes. As People Are Stupid stated earlier, your suggested increase in the supply of prostitutes would, without a doubt, lower the earnings of these madams.
And stop just saying “it’s wrong”. There have been countless reasons presented as to how legalization probably isn’t wrong, but you haven’t made a single legitimate point as to why it is. Do you not see this?
FunkMonkey, you didn’t like the right wing side of things. That’s ok. Here’s a link to the most left wing organization in Canada.
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2007/12/17/a…
People are stupid and I have contradicted myself in that same sense. fuck. But you argue with your teenager the society-sanctioned very wealthy Madam would be a poor career choice. She’ll throw the cigarette company CEO’s tiny comparable earnings statistic at you and then what? Everybody fucks, after all.
I’m glad prostitution is illegal and drug addict junkies who turn to it as an illegal profession (do they consider it for any other reason in today’s society?). I’m glad they suffer consequences in a system that would see their asses sober in jail and able (forced) to get help. It should stay that way. Prostituting women is illegal and immoral.
Your chances of getting raped and beat up in a legitimate profession are pretty small compared to that of the sex trade.
Of course, prostitution is wrong and I’m sorry you guys don’t agree. I hope this bitch has provided food for thought in a world much bigger than yourselves.
Yeah, $10 a pack times 10 million packs and the money funnels upward to the CEO. Methinks you know less about economics than you do about prostitution, despite how fluently you bandied the term “overhead” about.
My statement of financial changes begs to differ, mrman (funny, I’m working on my taxes today)
To clarify: tobacco CEOs make a great deal of money because their organizations do a great deal of business. And by great deal I mean GREAT deal. Even a well established prostitution organization could not be readily incorporated, primarily due to heavy competition, and therefore no CEO would exist. Low operating costs or not, it would seem unlikely that, with proper regulation, legalizing the activity would make it a lucrative business, especially for the average worker.
Not to mention, the sex trade doesn’t have a built in addicted consumer base.
That’s like saying there’s no profit in tobacco because there’s also thriving competition. (hello? capitalism calling!) And let’s talk overhead. No need for threshing machines, large land purchases, packaging, wait time between harvests, etc. Prostitutes need condoms and a place to fuck.
You think tobacco is a popular commodity with 10 million daily customers? There are about 30 million people in Canada. 300 million south of our border. At least half are men and each and every one of them fuck. Imagine our girls and women a commodity! This is just one good reason why it’s illegal.
Legalized or even regulated prostitution is a road with many dangerous pitfalls in the here and now but many more generations from now.
Dr Fever… sex addictions and obsessing over sexuality as a life style is just the beginning.
Why? For the same reason that weed is illegal – because this is a country with it’s head firmly up it’s ass and it like the view.
Thanks for clearing that up, javagirl
kay— Not everbody smokes just because its a “commodity”! Not everybody pays for sex because its a “commodity”!
And now having an addiction is a life style??? Why are you still stuck in the dark ages when it comes to everything except for breathing??? The dangerous pitfalls you speak of would be what? Potentially saving lives. And you would have these lives extinguished because of their poor misfortune to be in their situation….Sounds weird coming from sombody with self-proclaimed values!
You tell the tabacco company CEO how many people don’t smoke and therefore it shouldn’t be a lucrative business… but it is!
Sex isn’t a commodity… yet. Prostitution is still illegal.
Dangerous pitfall: “Daddy I’m going to make more money than you when I grow up because I have a pussy and there’s BIG BIG market for me.”
Kay– Sex addiction has been debunked as a real addiction. Get that in your head. You have some serious issues with your definitions. Sexuality isn’t a lifestyle either.
And everybody listen up! Kay is the person who will worry for everybody because it is impossible without her to survive this cold and terrible, terrible world!
the world has survived without you long before and will LOOOOONG after!
get a new hobby
OBSESSING over sexuality can become a lifestyle. Just hang with a tranny for a day… the whole day is spent making sure they appear to be the opposite sex. Not that there aren’t seriously professionally motivated useful freaks out there, there are!
Your absolutely right, Fever, sex addiction is real. Legalizing prostitution is kinda like Keno and VLT’s in that sense, isn’t it? Meaningless to the non addicts and a very very bad idea for the addicts.
“Just hang with a tranny for a day… the whole day is spent making sure they appear to be the opposite sex. Not that there aren’t seriously professionally motivated useful freaks out there, there are!”
now people are freaks because they live a different life than you…lets burn the witches at the stake!!!!
Prostitution is legal in Canada, it is the activities surrounding it that are illegal (i.e. solicitation, etc…) Sex Workers and their allies in Canada are calling for decrimminalization, not legalization. Legalization still treats sex work as a vice that needs to be controlled and has not shown to decrease the violence that occurs against sex workers. decriminalization, on the other hand, strikes down our current archaic laws and allows our police to focus more on violent crimes, not arresting sex workers. It gives sex workers control, and creates safer environments and communities (i.e. in a decrimminalization scenerio laws such as those around the trafficking of children and youth can be strengthened as they were in New Zealand). i would suggest taking a look at SPOC.ca in Toronto or even Stepping Stone in Halifax http://www.steppingstonens.ca. Stepping Stone has some great info on sex worker myths vs. realities and info on one of the biggest challenges facing local sex workers which is boundaries that police place them on. Basically sex workers are banned from entire sections of the city after release of solicitation charge and are being arrested on their way to the doctor or legal appointments, not on the stroll.
No kilo, people who make a lifestyle of obsessing over their sexuality are freaky. The same way a heroine junkie is a fucking FREAK!
LOL Hurry up and post my bitch, Tim. It was written just for people like kilo here
Nina, I want to know how a solicitation charge sticks when there’s been no solicitation nor communication for the purpose of prostitution?
Kay– I didn’t say it was an addiction. Quite the opposite, in fact. Trans-sexual individuals don’t obsess, they actually think that they are the opposite sex. That’s not an obsession, it’s a matter of brain chemistry, so as far as they’re concerned, they are the opposite sex. That doesn’t make it a disease either, so don’t twist my words.
Nina– I think in this case legalization is a general term, kinda like “legalizing pot”. Thank you for the information nonetheless.
kay – i have not read all of your posts, but i have skimmed through several of your comments. it seems as though you have some serious issues with your own sexuality. as someone who has academically explored many facets of human sexuality, i have come into contact with many people involved in bdsm role play.
your tone and content both reflect those of a particular class of dominants – doms whose aim is not to temporarily ‘hurt’ their submisives for mutual enjoyment (the goal of the majority bdsm dom role players), but to cause serious and long-lasting physical and psychological harm for their own satisfaction (sadists).
your monologues of little girls telling their fathers they want to be prostitutes contain intensely mysogonistic language. they read like many incest erotic fantasy stories, where the daughter seduces her father. the underlying tone of these posts is incredibly angry.
so, kay, are you mad because these “whores” are getting to live out a fantasy you have never been brave enough to act upon? are you angry because you have never fully experienced your own sexuality? do you have sexual demons you fear you cannot slay? do you not like women?
i think that you probably don’t. because, if you did, you would have a bit more compassion for prostitutes. you would know that no little girl grows up wishing to be a prostitute. women (and men) turn to the sex trade when they have no where else to turn (of course, this isn’t true for all sex trade workers – but it is for many). the sex trade is a dangerous occupation, and legalization will make it safer. it may even make it easier for sex workers to leave the trade, if the stigma attached to such a history is diminished by legalization.
You think I’m a sadist, I’m sexually repressed, fantasize about my father and dislike women all because I don’t think society should sanction prostitution? That’s quite a leap.
Maybe I’m a recovering drug addict who was once a whore. Would you heed my words if you thought I was?
You wouldn’t be making such wild comments if you were.
Wow, tons o’ comments over here..since I last logged on.
Kay, assuming that anyone who thinks prostitution should be legalized wants theirs mother, sister and daughter to be a hooker is also quite a leap.
Hey Bro Tim,
Thanks for the follow up article that included both sides of the story. It pretty much illustrates what trax said, the person who wrote this bitch in the first place. That there are still a lot of problems with prostitution even when legalized, and that amendments have to be made to make it safer.
My argument is that we know for sure that illegal prostitution doesn’t work, so why not try something else. Right now it’s a process of trial and error. I’m for whatever position will keep women safe. Keeping it illegal and not trying anything new is no way to progress. The last thing we need is another Robert Pickton case.
Thanks for not being crazy like kay, she really casts everyone who is against legalizing it in a very bad light.
kay, I did the math and you STILL don’t make sense. I say we all go spam kay’s latest bitch about how flawed gay people are! “Pick Your Partner, I Don’t Care and I Don’t Have To”
I’m sure she would appreciate your input. LOL
that’s right kay, “LOL”
Oh kay,
I was really rooting for you, but instead of calming down and reasoning you continue to spew bullshit. You really dug yourself in deeper with that bitch Nanners mentioned.
I really do think you are entitled to your opinion about prostitution, trans people, and gay people. But you cannot expect rational people to sit and listen to your bullshit without challenging you.
The fact that everyone here is against you should tell you something. I think Bro Tim had your back at first, but he may be regretting it now. If not he’s just as crazy as you are.
Hey Kay, I’m assuming you’re religious and so just wondering what your opinion of Mary Magdalene is..you know, Jesus’s supposed prostitute friend? Because your man seemed to think quite highly of her!
No Scooby, I’m a recovering drug addict whore. What the fuck would I know about religion?
Go fuck yourself asswipe
Quoting Mahatma Gandhi:
I like your Christ.
I do not like your Christians.
Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
Nice reply, Kay. “Go fuck yourself asswipe” Hmmm, did I hit a nerve? You sure sound like one of those born-agains, with all your thoughtless, fear-based opinions. If what you say is true; that you’re an ex prostitute/whore, well just because you were weak enough to buy into that lifestyle doesn’t say anything about the average person. I think most people tend to avoid those lifestyles not so much because they’re illegal, but more because they have an instinct of self-preservation and self-respect! If you lack these instincts, it’s not going to make much difference if prostitution and drugs are legal or not! Grow up and get a spine. Nobosy here is talking about promoting prostitution, we’re talking about protecting them. Should they NOT be protected, Kay???
Scooby, I get annoyed when I’ve addressed something already and people make like I haven’t (especially when you take the asswipe insult and call me “one of those born-agains”). In your case you assume my views come from some religious source. They don’t… just human nature, education and personal experience.
In answer to your question… no. We are protecting them by keeping their work illegal. When they get caught and arrested it gives us opportunity to intervene and provide some real protection… a chance at a healthy lifestyle because you’re absolutely right, prostitution is what becomes of the women who feel they have nothing to lose. I argue they do and, funny, so do you. Besides, what’s a communication charge going to do to hurt them after what they’ve all ready been through?
That instinct for self preservation and self respect you talk about will be nullified no matter what we teach our kids if our own government sanctions pussy as a commodity. If legalization of prostitution doesn’t translate to “promotion” of prostitution in your mind I can’t help you.
Oh yeah, Scooby, Mary Magdalene is portrayed by the Catholic church as the whore Jesus saved by challenging her rock-throwers “he who is without sin cast the first stone…”. Investigate a little more and there are many reasons to believe Mary Magdalene was actually Jesus’ (child bearing) wife who was discredited by the church to create the illusion Jesus was not a normal man but a divine savior. Priests not able to marry is an extension or reinforcement of the “illusion” (created by men).
Umm yeah Kay, thanks- I’m well aware of the theories as to who Mary Magdalene really is, as like everybody else I’ve also read the DaVinci Code. I’m not at all religious- my question about Mary Magdalene was based on the assumption that you were the religious one. Anyway, there’s not much point in continuing this conversation- so I’m done here.
Get them their own little zone in Burnside, with a drive-thru and clean sheets.
Tax it and protect the workers.
lets get one thing straight… arresting and jailing prostitutes does not help them in any way.
Whats wrong with this retarded OP…every society has the right to draw the line at some point…especially when it comes to moral values…..sucking **** for money should not be an option for the respectful ladies of Halifax…for free maybe…but not for money …not in our city….
Ace it’s not about letting women suck dick for money for the same of letting women suck dick for money. It’s about changing a set of laws around prostitution to make it safer for the unfortunate souls that get sucked into that kind of lifestyle. There will always be people sucking dick for money, we can make it dangerous for them, or we can make it safe for them. If only all the prudes could realize that preventing people from getting raped and killed is worth compromising an outdated moral founded in an outdated religion.
FunkMonkey writes, “lets get one thing straight… arresting and jailing prostitutes does not help them in any way” WRONG WRONG WRONG It’s the only (legal) opportunity society gets to help these women out of the trade… while they’re safely locked up and sober. A prostitution or communication charge isn’t going to hurt them more than the trade. Their Canadian human rights prevent any other intervention. Women who are stuck in the illegal sex trade are literally stuck. Is that their Canadian human right too? To stay that way?
quake, “there will always be…” heroine junkies. Should our government sanction their (pre)occupation too? No. There will always be rapists and killers out there too. Do we sanction their behavior? No.
Legalizing prostitution, that is, sanctioning the lifestyle (people as commodities) and the industry (regulating it), leaves all girls at risk. Read quake, read. Besides, the next problem will be a woman’s right to get laid and not tell the government (or anybody) about it yet you’d see the act/transaction taxed to keep prostitutes “safe”. How do you propose to enforce that? You’d have women of all kinds having to declare their status as a prostitute or not. Just to ask the question infringes on Canadian privacy and human right charters.
yes, and getting a record does wonders when they try to get jobs as they get out the slammer.
Something tells me they wouldn’t be bondable after a charge like that either.
While this is one hell of a thread, I still think there’s a very bold line drawn in the sand here.
If prostitution becomes legalized and government regulated, I am assuming there would be regular health checks done on the workers. Would this be covered under Medicare or would they pay for these health care services out of pocket? I have never seen this particular aspect addressed in the argument to legalize in Canada.
Good question, RealityChick… and what does the doctor do if he finds a sex worker has contracted a disease? Tell he she has no right to make a living prostituting herself? That too is an infringement on a basic human right, to earn money in your trade. And imagine a non-disclosure and non-competition agreements we could enforce if prostitution were legalized and regulated! What a very slippery slope and a very bad idea.
I think people want to be practical and help these women and I do too. Legalization is not the answer, however. It’s impact is too far reaching into our ‘culture’ (we don’t view women as a commodity). The cost is too much.