Hello
I would I like to comment about is the state of mental illness in this country . namely the young fella in New Brunswick who s lane three RCMP officers.
I am sure he has received the sentence he deserved however I do have a few questions? first, why wasn’t this young man under psychiatric care his parents tried to get him help yet to no avail.
and he took it upon himself to kill three innocent people and for me I’d like to know why I like to know why and what mental derangement was running through this young man’s head that would make him want to do something like this.
no one in their right mind set tote in their day to kill three people let alone three Mounties I hope all he is in jail that he will seek the proper care and mental health that he so desperately needs
and yes his crime was atrocious but putting him in jail for 75 years for a mental illness that he may or may not be responsible for could be a bit much
It is sad to lose all those lives to a person who is suffering mental illness and maybe just maybe he had no clue of what he was doing you should be in a mental institution not a prison
sometimes I wish they would have had a trial then we would have got a glimpse of why he did this, possibly take an outside psychiatrist or psychologist who could have treated him and told us why he really did and why he did this
sad —were were the mental help people
This article appears in Oct 30 – Nov 5, 2014.
A lotta people hate to hear it, but this is what happens when you let video games raise your child. From a young age, kids start out playing video games for hours and parents pay hundreds of dollars on these consoles to do just that “console” their children. Or entertain and keep the kids busy so they can do something else besides parenting. Games like grand theft auto, mortal combat all that shit you hear about advertised. That’s all kids wanna spend their free time on these days. These kids get addicted to the video games and start losing touch of reality. Argue all you want, but you put a young impressionable mind in front of hard violence for hours and hours a day and they begin to think that kind of violence is normal and even cool. Kids need to be sheltered from these images because their minds aren’t fully grown, even as a teenager. Their brains are still maturing; their decision-making, rationalization, conscience have not yet reached their potential. Add to the mix, teachers making diagnoses of ADHD illnesses left and right and kids being prescribed psychiatric drugs for anxiety/depression. Sometimes a kid is just shy or sad….every one gets sad from time to time. The side effects of these anti-depressants is violent behavior and even suicide. I wouldn’t be surprised if this was the case with the shooter in NB. The drugs can also induce psychosis in people who were never psychotic to begin with. It is called “Drug Induced Psychosis”. I recommend parents educate themselves on these so called medications that are being fed to their kids because this is not health care. They could lose their child or worse. The pharmaceutical industry is a billion dollar enterprise that invents new disorders every day, from social anxiety, seasonal affective disorder, asbergers, the list goes on… all of these mental disorders have no scientific or diagnostic tests to prove their validity. Our kids are being drugged. That young boy who killed the three Mounties was probably psychotic and thought he was in a video game. Add to that the bullying that goes on in schools, and parents who keep fire arms and bullets in the home and you’ve got a recipe for disaster.
^Science has debunked 100% of what you just said about video games.
fool, I don’t think that too many parents would change their behaviour even if smacked in the face with irrefutable evidence that they are creating little monsters. short term pain for long term gain is NOT their first choice.
video war games are NOT the same as the physical activity of cops n robbers or cowboys n Indians kids played in the past. those were physical activity with real and immediate other players. consequences were immediate and had physical impact (black eye. skinned knees, hurt feelings) and rewards were not some addictive massing of points. funny, someone asked me on my FB this morning during a discussion about lumosity if candy crush was a mind enhancing game. it was a LOL on her part but made me think about those FB games that seem to be so addictive to people. of course they are addictive! they trigger the reward zone in the brain. like mice tapping a pleasure button over and over and over.
re the creep who got the 75 years, imo good enough. there comes a point where you can grieve about your rotten upbringing but still have choice about sinking into its quicksand, or hauling yourself out. if he was raised on war games he still made the choice to let those games continue to march him around like a wooden puppet. for me, that is the free will part of it. there is a difference between a mental illness you cannot cure, and just personality disorder.
You can go online and read the reporter’s twitter feeds with his comments, and articles that show quotes from the sentencing hearing. The guy had zero remorse for his actions, and was trying to start an uprise against the government and ‘the crown’. He also spoke of setting gas stations on fire to hurt the big oil companies. The only thing he would have changed about that night? Bring more water. He even said he would have killed more if they had come at him.
He got what he deserved.
He’s in a place where the murderers of police officers are revered and his delusional ego will probably wind up being massaged every bit as often as his milky white ass is churned to butter. It would have been better if he had been put down in action, like the murderers of W.O. Vincent and Cpl. Cirillo, instead of being forced to postpone his “rebellion” simply because he was cold and hungry. Society did not fail him; he made the conscious decision to declare war on society. He was every bit as much a terrorist as the two throwback converts in Ottawa and Quebec.
Mental heath is the AIDS of the decade. We ignored it; wasn’t our problem. Then the next thing we know, we are smack dab in the middle of a pandemic. Whenever will we learn?
You mean the guy who said to the people in the homeless shelter that the world was going to end, Ivan? Yeah, not a mental health issue.
Somehow I knew the bleeding hearts would come out and say poor, poor convicted criminal got 75 years. The asshole went through a psych exam and found to be fit for trial. Too bad we don’t have the death penalty.
Sorry, who said that? Did you think you were commenting on the Herald again, Tim?
All due respect, Mr. M., but I’m not totally sure that your comparison holds water. A biological pandemic is the result of many environmental factors, genetic mutation, changes to the ecosystem, etc. So what is the trigger event for our “current” mental health “pandemic”. Or is there even one. Are we more attuned to identifying mental health issues, than we have been in the last 3000 years? Probably. But we may also be getting used to attributing behavior that we cannot comprehend to mental illness. And do we view it through a strictly socio/geographical spectrum? We are shocked when one of society’s failures is attracted to the more negative aspects of a belief system and commits a single murder, but we only have to look at CNN to see behavior in other parts of the world that would make our pantheon of home grown psychopaths and serial killers look like bumbling amateurs. And history is full of successful societies, nations, empires, whose conduct from top to bottom can only be described as pathological, so using mental illness as a catch-all doesn’t quite work. Douglas Kelley, the prison psychiatrist who examined most of the top defendants at Nuremburg, found that the majority of them were normal, intelligent, high functioning individuals, and posited that although German history and culture contributed to the crimes of thy Nazi regime, he also believed that it could have happened anywhere, under the proper conditions.
I’m not totally sure where I’m going with this, but you have raised some interesting questions about mental health, unlike certain other commenters who are clearly talking out their bunghole.
Have a good one.
WHAT IS MENTAL HEALTH?
“were were the mental health people” sounds a bit dodgy himself but, in spite of years of psychologists’ and psychiatrists’ Herculean efforts to resolve it, the question as to what constitutes “mental health” remains unanswered for the very good reason that there is no psychological or psychiatric answer beyond the platitude that mental health consists of “the absence of mental illness.” Have a good day.
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Furious – he didn’t murder Cpl. Cirillo because he was a Venusian; he murdered him because he was a Canadian soldier. Not saying he didn’t have mental health issues; anyone who converts to the R.O.P. is a full-blown R-tard, IMHO. But at the end of the day, he was a terrorist. He doesn’t get a pass.
And I should point out that some very esteemed minds on this very site frequently express some very mordant views about the city, the nation, society, civilization, the planet. I have a hard time dismissing all of us as members of the Alcan Helmet Battalion, nor do I envision us turning back the evolutionary clock and becoming head bangers out of sheer desperation, or despair.
It’s tough. Valid points. All I really want is a cogent explanation how bombing Syria has ANYTHING to do with that guy, his rifle, and his Toyota Corolla. On second thought, never mind.
The rationale died with him. On this issue I’m allowing myself the luxury of emotion, untrammeled by any obligation to fairness, broadmindedness or reason. Valid points from you as well.
Have a good one.
Yeah, fair enough. You too, brother!
The biggest problem I have with labelling all bad behaviour as mental illness is that it implies that the perpetrator is exonerated of all personal responsibility. For example, if someone in a position of power in the workplace is sexually, physically and/or emotionally abusive to staff under their power do we simply write it off (and thereby excuse it) by saying the person is mentally ill? No, the behaviour needs to be adressed, the perpetrator needs to experience negative consequences, and potential future victims need to be protected.
I do believe that we need better mental health services but they are most likley to benefit those who seek them out. For example, many people who self-medicate for stress or depression with illegal drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, or food could be helped by making mental health care more accessible and socially acceptable.
I don’t think linking mass murders to the need for better health care is a good idea. In the case of mass murderers, there is no provision to force treatment and I am not aware of any who have been successfully treated anyway. And, under the law, they could not have been forced into protective custody before their crimes unless clearly shown to be a danger to themselves or others. Merely expressing anti-social or delusional viewpoints does not meet that criteria. The best mental health care system in the world isn’t going to help someone unless they want to use it. And even after commiting crimes they can’t be forced into treatment so the only option left is to protect the public for as long as possible.
So, to repeat myself, a firm yes to the need for better/more accessible/more socially acceptable mental health care but no to using mass murders and garden variety sociopaths as the rationale.
WHAT IS MENTAL HEALTH? (2): THE CASE OF LUC MAGNOTTA
“… the question as to what constitutes ‘mental health’ remains unanswered for the very good reason that there is no psychological or psychiatric answer beyond the platitude that mental health consists of ‘the absence of mental illness.'” Montrealman (11/05, 9:30AM)
In an article entitled “The Barriers to Diagnosing Mental Illness” (Montreal Gazette. Nov. 5) the Postmedia columnist Christie Blatchford refers to the case of Luka Magnotta meeting his new psychiatrist Dr. Thomas Barth in the Berlin Prison Hospital where Magnotta was being held prior to his return to Montreal. Barth asked if he was “hearing voices” and Magnotta mentioned “the radio” in his head. The brevity of Magnoitta’s reply convinced Barth that Magnotta wasn’t exaggerating or malingering. Magnotta also told Barth “Every time I hear a song by Elton John, I have to move,” but didn’t explain what he meant..
“And that,” according to Blatchford, “is part of the problem with psychiatry: It’s all in the self-reporting and all that is interpreted through the eyes and ears of the beholder, to wit, the psychiatrist. Barth’s job was not to assess or diagnose Magnotta, whose mental health or lack of it, is the single most relevant issue at his trial here.” Okay, so what, one wonders, was his job?
Well, it’s hard to say. It appears that psychiatrists, according to Barth, “never ask about the crime patients have committed. They never ask and never force patients to discuss such matters because it could be a trauma to talk about it.” Okay, so what do psychiatrists ask when they don’t ask about the crime patients like Magnotta have committed?
Well, it’s hard to say. According to Barth, “We are proud to have established a treatment condition,” making clear that he was a “treating psychiatrist and not an assessing one.” But how can psychiatrists treat the patient without assessing what he has done? Blatchford observed: “Yet this, too, is surely one of psychiatry’s conundrums: While its surely a good thing that the mentally ill are treated kindly and therapeutically, how can they be properly diagnosed if they aren’t even asked about what they have allegedly done?” A good question. How did Barth answer it?
Well, it wasn’t easy. Intending to demonstrate that Magnotta was mentally ill, Luc Leclair, Magnotta’s lawyer, asked Barth a hypothetical question “about a man who killed another man, dismembered him, put a wine bottle in his anus and simulated masturbation with the man’s arm.” These, of course, are the facts in Lin’s death as the jurors have already heard. So, in order to treat Magnotta rather than assess him as Barth maintained it was the psychiatrist’s proper job to do, what diagnosis would Barth make?
Well, it appears that wasn’t easy either. Barth replied that, “I can’t explain what it is, but a very disturbing outcome of an offence.” Well, yes indeed it was a very disturbing outcome of an offence but we didn’t need Barth to tell us that. The problem, of course, is that Barth’s reply was vacuous. In fact it was completely platitidinous as Montrealman had so perceptively pointed out previously.
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You da one, OB, dat gots da mental health issue. That mafukka knew what he did was wrong, now he gonna pay wit that soon to be loose ass.
Here we go again, everytime something like this happens somehow someway its a recent movie, or TV show, or Video games that just HAS to be the reason why people do what they do. Complete and Utter BS!!!
So your saying if these parents played catch with a football with this guy, he would have been ok? If they would have just read him one more bedtime story, he wouldn’t have killed 3 people? CMONNNN MAN!!!!
Bottom line is he made the decision to pick up a rifle and mow down three innocent people, and he got exactly what he deserved. Lets stop blaming Government every time something bad happens with the whole , well he didnt receive the help he needed, because the government is trying to hold everyone down man, and well he he must have played a game or 2 of grand theft auto so that made him think that killing cops must be ok.
He picked up a gun and shot people dead, and now he will spend the rest of life in Jail, still too good an outcome for him in my mind , but it is what it is.
RANT OVER, im going to play Grand theft auto and Mortal Kombat, so watch out world , i might try to run my car into a gas station, and then go **** a prostitute with a baseball bat. while fighting a guy named Sub Zero!!!!
I blame Jack Layton.
What a fucking idiot that guy is!!! Did he really think that if there was a “revolution” afoot, our first choice of leader would be a guy from Moncton that got fired from Walmart? Lol, what a tard!!!!
Support the mental health association or i’ll kill you.
Jk
Bunch of Unprofessional hypocrites, isn’t that so Steve.