…Real sexy. —Admirer

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  1. I don’t know about sexy but it’s real convenient when you need a fridge taken up to your fifth floor apartment.

    I spent yesterday worshipping at the altar of BBQ Ribs and a kick-ass war movie. Sure hope I didn’t oppress anybody.

  2. >: ) The pleasure will be entirely mine.
    I’ll even bring the Devon cream. I got a connection *wink wink*

  3. OP There is something kind of sexy in a “take charge”,”get shit done” (but sensitive) man. Throw in a nice set of peepers and nice ass and baaam real sexy. :p

  4. FUCK THE PATRIARCHY!

    “The Conversation about women’s bodies exists largely outside of us, while it is also directed at (and marketed to) us, and used to define and control us. The Conversation about women happens everywhere, publicly and privately. We are described and detailed, our faces and bodies analyzed and picked apart, our worth ascertained and ascribed based on the reduction of personhood to simple physical objectification. Our voices, our personhood, our potential, and our accomplishments are regularly minimized and muted.

    As an actor and woman who, at times, avails herself of the media, I am painfully aware of the conversation about women’s bodies, and it frequently migrates to my own body. I know this, even though my personal practice is to ignore what is written about me. I do not, for example, read interviews I do with news outlets. I hold that it is none of my business what people think of me. I arrived at this belief after first, when I began working as an actor 18 years ago, reading everything. I evolved into selecting only the “good” pieces to read. Over time, I matured into the understanding that good and bad are equally fanciful interpretations. I do not want to give my power, my self-esteem, or my autonomy, to any person, place, or thing outside myself. I thus abstain from all media about myself. The only thing that matters is how I feel about myself, my personal integrity, and my relationship with my Creator. Of course, it’s wonderful to be held in esteem and fond regard by family, friends, and community, but a central part of my spiritual practice is letting go of otheration. And casting one’s lot with the public is dangerous and self-destructive, and I value myself too much to do that.

    However, the recent speculation and accusations in March feel different, and my colleagues and friends encouraged me to know what was being said. Consequently, I choose to address it because the conversation was pointedly nasty, gendered, and misogynistic and embodies what all girls and women in our culture, to a greater or lesser degree, endure every day, in ways both outrageous and subtle. The assault on our body image, the hypersexualization of girls and women and subsequent degradation of our sexuality as we walk through the decades, and the general incessant objectification is what this conversation allegedly about my face is really about.

    A brief analysis demonstrates that the following “conclusions” were all made on the exact same day, March 20, about the exact same woman (me), looking the exact same way, based on the exact same television appearance. The following examples are real, and come from a variety of (so-called!) legitimate news outlets (such as HuffPo, MSNBC, etc.), tabloid press, and social media:

    One: When I am sick for more than a month and on medication (multiple rounds of steroids), the accusation is that because my face looks puffy, I have “clearly had work done,” with otherwise credible reporters with great bravo “identifying” precisely the procedures I allegedly have had done.

    Two: When my skin is nearly flawless, and at age 43, I do not yet have visible wrinkles that can be seen on television, I have had “work done,” with media outlets bolstered by consulting with plastic surgeons I have never met who “conclude” what procedures I have “clearly” had. (Notice that this is a “back-handed compliment,” too—I look so good! It simply cannot possibly be real!)
    Three: When my 2012 face looks different than it did when I filmed Double Jeopardy in 1998, I am accused of having “messed up” my face (polite language here, the F word is being used more often), with a passionate lament that “Ashley has lost her familiar beauty audiences loved her for.”

    Four: When I have gained weight, going from my usual size two/four to a six/eight after a lazy six months of not exercising, and that weight gain shows in my face and arms, I am a “cow” and a “pig” and I “better watch out” because my husband “is looking for his second wife.” (Did you catch how this one engenders competition and fear between women? How it also suggests that my husband values me based only on my physical appearance? Classic sexism. We won’t even address how extraordinary it is that a size eight would be heckled as “fat.”)

    Five: In perhaps the coup de grace, when I am acting in a dramatic scene in Missing—the plot stating I am emotionally distressed and have been awake and on the run for days—viewers remarks ranged from “What the fuck did she do to her face?” to cautionary gloating, “Ladies, look at the work!” Footage from “Missing” obviously dates prior to March, and the remarks about how I look while playing a character powerfully illustrate the contagious and vicious nature of the conversation. The accusations and lies, introduced to the public, now apply to me as a woman across space and time; to me as any woman and to me as every woman.

    That women are joining in the ongoing disassembling of my appearance is salient. Patriarchy is not men. Patriarchy is a system in which both women and men participate. It privileges, inter alia, the interests of boys and men over the bodily integrity, autonomy, and dignity of girls and women. It is subtle, insidious, and never more dangerous than when women passionately deny that they themselves are engaging in it. This abnormal obsession with women’s faces and bodies has become so normal that we (I include myself at times—I absolutely fall for it still) have internalized patriarchy almost seamlessly. We are unable at times to identify ourselves as our own denigrating abusers, or as abusing other girls and women.

    A case in point is that this conversation was initially promulgated largely by women; a sad and disturbing fact. (That they are professional friends of mine, and know my character and values, is an additional betrayal.)

    That the conversation about my face was initially promulgated largely by women is a sad and disturbing fact.

    News outlets with whom I do serious work, such as publishing op-eds about preventing HIV, empowering poor youth worldwide, and conflict mineral mining in Democratic Republic of Congo, all ran this “story” without checking with my office first for verification, or offering me the dignity of the opportunity to comment. It’s an indictment of them that they would even consider the content printable, and that they, too, without using time-honored journalistic standards, would perpetuate with un-edifying delight such blatantly gendered, ageist, and mean-spirited content.
    I hope the sharing of my thoughts can generate a new conversation: Why was a puffy face cause for such a conversation in the first place? How, and why, did people participate? If not in the conversation about me, in parallel ones about women in your sphere? What is the gloating about? What is the condemnation about? What is the self-righteous alleged “all knowing” stance of the media about? How does this symbolize constraints on girls and women, and encroach on our right to be simply as we are, at any given moment? How can we as individuals in our private lives make adjustments that support us in shedding unconscious actions, internalized beliefs, and fears about our worthiness, that perpetuate such meanness? What can we do as families, as groups of friends? Is what girls and women can do different from what boys and men can do? What does this have to do with how women are treated in the workplace?

    I ask especially how we can leverage strong female-to-female alliances to confront and change that there is no winning here as women. It doesn’t actually matter if we are aging naturally, or resorting to surgical assistance. We experience brutal criticism. The dialogue is constructed so that our bodies are a source of speculation, ridicule, and invalidation, as if they belong to others—and in my case, to the actual public. (I am also aware that inevitably some will comment that because I am a creative person, I have abdicated my right to a distinction between my public and private selves, an additional, albeit related, track of highly distorted thinking that will have to be addressed at another time).

    If this conversation about me is going to be had, I will do my part to insist that it is a feminist one, because it has been misogynistic from the start. Who makes the fantastic leap from being sick, or gaining some weight over the winter, to a conclusion of plastic surgery? Our culture, that’s who. The insanity has to stop, because as focused on me as it appears to have been, it is about all girls and women. In fact, it’s about boys and men, too, who are equally objectified and ridiculed, according to heteronormative definitions of masculinity that deny the full and dynamic range of their personhood. It affects each and every one of us, in multiple and nefarious ways: our self-image, how we show up in our relationships and at work, our sense of our worth, value, and potential as human beings.

    Patriarchy is not men. Patriarchy is a system in which both women and men participate. It privileges, inter alia, the interests of boys and men over the bodily integrity, autonomy, and dignity of girls and women. It is subtle, insidious, and never more dangerous than when women passionately deny that they themselves are engaging in it. This abnormal obsession with women’s faces and bodies has become so normal that we (I include myself at times-I absolutely fall for it still) have internalized patriarchy almost seamlessly. We are unable at times to identify ourselves as our own denigrating abusers, or as abusing other girls and women.”

    –Ashley Judd

  5. I never cease to be amused by those who honestly believe that “feminism” (as it is defined and redefined to mean something beyond simple equality) is a counter to “patriachy” rather than being the opposite side of the same cheap coin. What “communist” was to the McCarthy era and “progressive” is to the Fox News generation, so “patriarchy” has become to the modern feminist, who finds “equality” not nearly satisfying enough. You tread heavily into Orwellian territory, where merely having thoughts is considered to be a “crime”and have no trouble in finding self-loathing men to cavil and whine and plead guilty. Those who refuse are branded patriarchal.

    Skag Atwood once egested an,oh so, profound soundbite about what men and wimmin supposedly fear from each other. According to Ms Archeopteryx – “Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them”
    Since killing feminazis (those who move beyond that whole equality argument) is unforgiveable bad manners, I’ll content myself with laughing at them.

  6. I think we can all agree that no_fool’s more like amanda bynes on a year-long doughnut binge than ashley judd…

  7. I think the Bynes comparison is being overly generous. We may have to all the way back to the streetmeat that was caught giving Hugh Grant a knobber.

  8. ladies, if a man says he is going to fix it, he will fix it.

    there is no need to remind him every 6 months.

    badda bing badda zing

  9. Ladies if you ask him to fix something more then once it’s considered bitching.Save you’re breath and learn to fix it yourselves .

  10. Ivan: “patriarchy” has become to the modern feminist, who finds “equality” not nearly satisfying enough. “

    So you say women should be satisfied with our “equality”? You need to be schooled on international women’s rights. Women continue to have fewer rights, lower education and health status, less income, and less access to resources and decision-making than men, pay inequality, face more violence (especially against indigenous women here in Canada).

    “No society treats its women as well as its men.” That’s the conclusion from the United Nations Development Programme, as written in its 1997 Human Development Report. Women fought for decades to take their place in the workplace alongside men, but that fight isn’t over yet. According to the most recent statistics from the U.S. Census, women earn just 77 percent of what men earn for the same amount of work. Despite making up half the global population, women hold only 15.6 percent of elected parliamentary seats in the world.

    In some countries, such as China and India, a male child is more valuable than a female child, and this gender bias causes parents to care very much if they have a boy or a girl. Thanks to advances in genetic testing, parents can find out if they’re having a boy or a girl, and they may elect to end a pregnancy that would yield a female child. In some countries, such as Chile and Lesotho, women lack the right to own land. All deeds must include the name of a man, be it the woman’s husband or father. This is true in Canadian Aboriginal Law as well. Aboriginal women have no right to land as it must be conveyed to sons by law. Women in some countries have no right to own the land on which they live or work. Not only can such a state trap women in abusive marriages, it also contributes to a phenomenon that economists have deemed the “feminization of poverty.”

    Saudi Arabia provides the most extreme example of limited mobility for women: In that country, women are not allowed to drive a car or ride a bicycle on public roads. The strict Islamic law in the country prohibits women from leaving the home without a man’s permission, and if they do leave the home, they can’t drive a car.

    In 2008, U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon reported that one in every three women is likely “to be beaten, coerced into sex or otherwise abused in her lifetime.”

    In many countries, young girls are forced to marry men two or three times their age. According to UNICEF, more than one-third of women aged 20 to 24 were married before they turned 18, which is considered the minimum legal age of marriage in most countries. Analysts often posed that many of the issues on this list could be solved if women had higher levels of political participation.

    I’m not surprised by the backlash my comment elicited (well Judd’s comment actually). The misogynists on this board never fail to contribute to the very real patriarchy that exists in this supposed modern era. To make fun of me… question my mental sanity, and joke about my donut-eating because you don’t agree with fact, is just plain stupid. Ya’ll are grabbing at strings, because your arguments fall flatter than your old white-man asses. These famous feminist men chose not to ignore the very real patriarchy in media and advertising and they called into question: What if men were portrayed in ads the way women are?

    http://25.media.tumblr.com/62e2619021b7388…

    http://www.themanifoldmag.net/wp-content/u…

  11. You’ve dropped your Step’n’Fetchit act, but I find ” No Fool – Heroic SJW” an even more pathetic pantomime. Here’s why your brand of femshevik bullroar doesn’t sell with me. You bring nothing to the table. Neither carrot , nor stick. There is nothing you can take from me, that makes me want to yield to you. There is nothing you can offer that makes me want to accept you. Nothing.

  12. We live in Canada, so my views are relative to Canada, not Saudi Arabia or anywhere else. Of course these countries need a woman suffrage movement – they need a lot of things. As I’ve already stated, I believe in equal opportunities for everyone regardless of gender, race, sexual orientation, etc. I am more concerned with individual rights that should apply universally to everyone, not just women’s rights.

    I do not feel that women are as oppressed in this country as you, and many others, make them out to be. However, a good point is made about the treatment of indigenous people in this country – they are certainly not given equal opportunities when they are being all but forced to live in substandard housing on reserves or access to the same level of education. Sure, they get free university but it’s a long road to university and how are you supposed to study when you can’t stay warm at night or know where your next meal is coming from? In fact most white women enjoy a far better standard of living that most indigenous men.

    The number one inequality in this country (and any country) is poverty and the class gap. This applies to every group, not just women.

    Where equal rights are concerned, I completely agree with feminism. It’s when women start talking about ‘slut-shaming’ and ‘male privilege/entitlement’ and ‘make-up shaming’ and all these other off-shoots that are really relative and opinion/preference based that I start rolling my eyes. Get over it, everyone gets criticized for something, everyone has to endure opinions of others that they may not like. That’s life. The average man is not your enemy, unless you design them to be.

    I would find it a lot easier to take you and your views seriously if you didn’t speak like a drunk ghetto rat most of the time, no_fool.

  13. Surprise, surprise… a bunch of men don’t agree that women still face discrimination. Could that be because it’s something you as men are not privy to? Duh. ‘I don’t see it, it doesn’t affect me, so it doesn’t exist’…common ignorant mindset. If you are blind to the injustices that still exist against women in Canada then you are probably one of the privileged old white men who benefit from them. The pay inequalities, women in poverty, women suffering from violence who gotta try to take back the night, to enter male dominated fields, like politics, in which we are shown by example that there is no place for us. The constant barrage of the media to malnourish our bodies, to take off more clothes and women’s magazine headlines boasting 100 ways to please your man. More atrocious injustices occur in other parts of the world, sure, but they still happen here – and just because it is not in our own backyard, doesn’t mean it doesn’t impact us. Canada is one of the most multicultural countries with immigrants coming in from all over the world who bring their cultural beliefs with them. The state of the world does affect us. If you chosoe to dismiss fact, you are ignorant and you are contributing to the patriarchy. I will write what I want when I want and if I wanna talk like a ghetto rat to add flair to my writing and an element of humor – I will do that. You cannot silence me. As Judd says, FUCK the Patriarchy!

    -One honest voice is louder than a crowd.
    E. Woods

  14. Surprise surprise – another ideologue wh can’t recognize that her own particular strain of seminism, looks, sounds and smells a hell of a lot like islam. You don’t want equality, co-existence, or agreement. You want to be obeyed.
    Piss off.

  15. Patriarchy defined: A system of society or government in which men hold the power and women are largely excluded from it.

    Articles like this where OB is making light of a serious situation “Patriarchy is real sexy. — An admirer”. Seems funny and light hearted huh? It’s actually a sick way of dismissing the truth and undermining the fight women continue to face daily to receive equal rights to men. Constant little seeds like this are planted into our brains since birth through the media – the pus within the pimple of society. You know what is even more annoying than the patriarchy? The men who whine about feminists being feminazis because you stand up for your rights and speak the truth! They always say shit like, “you’re the type of woman who give all feminists a bad name”…Man hater, hairy armpit bitch, fat donut face, ratchet ghetto ho… all kinds of backlash. They think women should be satisfied and happy with the few crumbs that have been tossed our way. We should shut up already… we can vote right? Slut shaming and body shaming are very real – not off shoots or spinoffs as you refer to them, Hoist. Many young girls have killed themselves over this stuff after their gang assaults were posted to social media or nude photo leaks where girls are typically the victim. Boys get bullied too, but they have always been applauded by society for being studs. Women have always been expected to stay chaste and not be sluts and preserve their bodies (or future husbands property). Wake up – the Patriarchy is very real and it is not sexy! It is a sick and cancerous rot that must be stopped.

  16. Cool story Browena.
    Keep fighting that dastardly Thoughtcrime. You’re going to end the patriarchy all by your lonesome.

  17. Oh I don’t want you on my team, Ivan. You’ll be da last one left sittin on da bench, holdin your ball — Dat remind ya of your childhood?, go on wit your mutant melanin-deficient ginger goober self.

  18. You’re on more comfortable ground, now, aren’t you?
    You see, you’ve bought into the patriarchy mythos so fully that you honestly beleive that all men are so hardwired by the drive to climax that any old hole will do. So you really aren’t emotionally or intellectually prepared to encounter someone who finds that what’s between your legs is every bit as valueless as what’s between your ears.

    Now, make a small dick joke and cry to the Mod about how this has become an unsafe place for womyn.
    There’s a good girl.

  19. Oh snap! That last post from ivan was brilliant.

    No_fool, feel free to talk like a drunk ghetto hood rat all you want – I am all about personal freedoms, just don’t expect me to take you seriously or kid yourself into believing that you “add flair to (your) writing and an element of humour”, because you don’t.

    Go back and actually read my last post before spewing your victimizing garbage looking for a pity party. I have no sympathy for you.

  20. Gingersnap: “what’s between your legs is every bit as valueless as what’s between your ears.”

    Oh snap, gingerSNAP! Ewww where did all your hatred and misogyny come from? A whole lotta rejection maybe and too many dateless Saturday nights with your dick in your hand? Hmmm.. Very bitter & riled up towards the female gender for some odd reason.

    Hoist the PMS-rag: “before spewing your victimizing garbage looking for a pity party.”

    Facts, honey. Not victimizing garbage – FACTS. No pity party here. I’m voicing reality in hopes of raising awareness and making a change. More than what you two are doing for society.

    Ladies & genlemen: ^^Meet the Patriarchy ^^

    Just kiddin, ya’ll just a couple of cro-magnons! “OOOGA BOOGA!!!”

  21. Ivan is a fucking awesome space cadet in the Air Farce. As if the real Canadian Air Force would ever hire a goofy goober misogynist like Gingersnap to represent our Country. No honey, they don’t let sociopaths fly airplanes. The closest you’re gonna get is your rank, Butt Pilot of Hoist’s Arseport.

    http://cdn.someecards.com/someecards/userc…

  22. I would write a reply but it will just be deleted, so until next time – go fuck yourself, nobody else will.

  23. Yeah whatever, I’ve said all I have to say to you on the subject and Ivan already put you to shame. Go chew your cud and stare blankly at something. You know who you never see preaching your type of ‘feminism’? Women with boyfriends.

  24. Hoists: “Yeah Whatever”

    Wow,what a burn! You really put me to shame there.

    Ivan the non-oppresser air-farce butt pilot got jokes…. jokes about incestual molestation and female genital mutilation. But he’s not a misogynist, he promises.

    Mod gets wind of this you’ll be permanently deleted, along with the four other accounts you have “wardaddy” “sonofabitch” ,”captain ivan”…etc… You know all the accounts you use to “like” your own comments. How very sad.

  25. This is just too easy. Affirmative action is supposed to work the other way around you know, those with intellect, talent and ambition helping them who don’t, but here you are, shooting yourself in the foot. Making my arguments for me, with every post.
    Thanks >: )

  26. keep watching that fox news no_fool…
    get yourself edjumacated about this crazy world you apparently live in.

  27. i heerd the live at 5 folks pay for your botox if you let the sawbones shoot you up oncamera.
    wonder if they do the same with dentists

  28. The bullies who were already on this forum are the reason this forum is such bullshit now….I haven’t directly insulted anyone on this board or broken any LTWWB rules the Coast set in place.I know no one wants me here(for different reasons,of course) but I won’t be bullied off this forum.

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