On a starting note, I’m not hateful towards homosexuals, I’m just not a fan of the act itself.
That being said, I have to get something off my chest that might stir some echoes.
I know you have the right to be who you are and speak your mind, but why is it acceptable for homosexuals to pounce around and sing out loud about how proud of their homosexuality they are, yet everyone else is not allowed to express the fact that they think it’s wrong?
Since when was the right for us, none homosexuals, to express that we believe homosexuality is wrong religiously and socially waived? I mean if homosexuals want the right and have the right to be homosexuals, shouldn’t we also have the right to criticize the lifestyle?
Everyone knows homosexuality is wrong, even homosexuals know that it doesn’t really fly very well. Don’t get me wrong, there are a lot of very nice gays and lesbians out there, but you get the odd one that’s not even liked by gays and lesbians themselves. As a person, homosexual or not, i couldn’t care less. But when you try to push your views, opinions, and never stop to convince me that historically, socially and religiously it’s not wrong, that’s when i get upset.
Shouldn’t I be able to say that homosexuality is wrong, which is a fact that’s been known for centuries, as much as homosexuals have the right to be homosexuals without harassment? I’ve had a lot of homosexual friends, whom have been very nice, but i also met the odd one or two that were just way too gay that even gays say that.
Being homosexual doesn’t give you the right to be selfish and self centered, nor does it give extreme lesbians so much hatred towards men. Any other views and opinions related to the matter?
Final thought, NO I DON”T HATE HOMOS!!!! It’s just a matter of freedom of speech and expression. If I don’t want to support homosexuality, i should be able to do that, and I shouldn’t i be labeled racist or sexist or what have you, because of it. Religiously it’s wrong. Honestly, I don’t find two men lip locking or touching each other attractive. I don’t see how that’s attractive.
This article appears in Apr 10-16, 2008.
“NO I DON’T HATE HOMOS!” Okay, simmer down there, Tiger.There are so many fucked-up opinions given by the poster that I don’t even know where to start, but I do have one question.These “extreme” lesbians: are they available with extra gravy?
Closet case?
Sooo, you’re “not a fan of the act itself”?Maybe you were doing it wrong.
Oh my God, I can’t believe I never knew any of this before now! I feel so deceived, and liberated. Thank you, ww. You have done humanity great service. Next time, can you please please please explain how climate change and evolution are just theories? Thanks, new best friend!PS Poop, it’s over.
lmao @ extreme lesbians with extra gravy.
‘I DON”T HATE HOMOS!!!! ‘ Just that statement alone is pretty revealing, OP. Sounds like you’re trying to pick up a turd by the clean end.
Wow, you pretty much contradict yourself throughout your entire sermon. You can have all the opinions you want, and express yourself anywhere and as loudly as you want. But what you really want is to have your cake, and then keep anyone else from having cake that is different than yours. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, so you can’t express yours, and then get mad because other people are expressing theirs simply because it contradicts yours.Just like “homosexuals to pounce around and sing out loud about how proud of their homosexuality they are” you are free to kiss your girlfriend, and hold hands and go to dinner together in public.”But when you try to push your views, opinions, and never stop to convince me that historically, socially and religiously it’s not wrong, that’s when i get upset.” Think about that next time you’re doing the opposite to people, and then you will realise why they’re getting upset.
It’s amazing how people can be so bothered by someone else’s character. Noone has assaulted, offended, or wronged you here. I suggest you worry about your own life instead of focusing on how wrong you think someone else’s is.
“Homos”? You don’t hate “homos”? Has anyone ever used that term who was not a homophobe?Come on, poster! Reply to your critics.
“Religiously it’s wrong”? Cite your sources. Exact chapter and verse, please.
You’re absolutely right, Wondering Why, you do have a right to express your opinion. And we have a right to tell you that you’re an asshat. Ain’t freedom great?
OP What difference does it make to you or anyone else what consenting adults do behind closed doors. How does this affect you or anyone else’s well being. I suggest finding something else to worry about.
When your sitting around with all of your many homosexual friends does it every get awkward seeing as how you feel that its a fact that their lifestyle is historically, socially and religiously wrong?
Using religious bullshit as a justification is so fucking bogus I could spit. The Bible was written by man to control man. It’s a fucking fairy tale, a morality tale at best. It has caused more wars and killed more people than any other single factor in our history and, unfortunately, will continue to do so for some time yet.
Yes, WW. You do have a right to say that you believe homosexuality is wrong. If you say it privately, among people who share your belief, you can expect total exceptance. But when you say it publicly, among people you know are likely to disagree with you, you should expect to be asked, “On what do you base that belief?” And if you can’t answer convincingly, you can expect to be flamed and ridiculed.For example, you say homosexuality is “religiously wrong”. What religion? Not mine. Are you referring to Christianity? Because if you are, then you must also believe that premarital sex, divorce, abortion, masturbation, birth control, and Sunday shopping are wrong. If you do not believe that, then you are a religious cherry-picker and you have no credibility.
You are an absolute idiot. You do realize that what you are saying is the same as saying it’s okay to speak openly against certain races/sexes/ages/religions etc. Why stop at homosexuals?! Lets tell everyone JUST how wrong they are, it’s our right isn’t it?!
Ok, there are so many things wrong with what you have written…1. “Everyone knows homosexuality is wrong, even homosexuals know that it doesn’t really fly very well.” — there is a difference between “wrong” and what is considered somewhat socially unacceptable. Saying “everyone knows homosexuality is wrong” and then saying that “even the homosexuals know that it doesn’t really fly very well” are two different things. And not everyone considers homosexuality to be wrong. — don’t over generalize. 2. “you get the odd one that’s not even liked by gays and lesbians themselves.” — Guess what, you get straight people that are not even liked by other straight people. Being homosexual does not imply that you have to love every other homosexual person. 3.”But when you try to push your views, opinions, and never stop to convince me that historically, socially and religiously it’s not wrong, that’s when i get upset.” — What about when you try to push YOUR views, opinions, and never stop to convince them that historically, socially and religiously it is wrong? 4. When did you become the higher being that decides what is right and wrong? What makes you think that your religion is correct? There are many different religions across the world, what is to say which one is the right one? Until you have confirmation from the higher being itself, take religion out of your arguments…5. “which is a fact that’s been known for centuries” — Source please. And make sure to take into consideration #4 before you provide such a source.6. ” the odd one or two that were just way too gay” — What about the odd one or two straight people that are just way too straight? Is there a scale and criteria by which one can determine that someone is “too gay”?7. “Being homosexual doesn’t give you the right to be selfish and self centered” — Are you saying that being straight gives straight people the right to be selfish and self centered? Because I know a lot of selfish and self centered people who are straight. It is called human nature to be selfish and self centered, it’s not strictly related to homosexuals.8. “nor does it give extreme lesbians so much hatred towards men.” — Being a lesbian does not mean that they hate men. And being straight doesn’t give you the right to have hatred towards homosexuals.9. “It’s just a matter of freedom of speech and expression. If I don’t want to support homosexuality, i should be able to do that” — You didn’t really talk about freedom of speech, you talked about how you want to be able to criticize people for their lifestyle choices. If you want similar freedoms of speech, then you should be arguing that you think that straight people should be able to have straight pride parades. Not to have the right to criticize. And by way of your arguments, are you also wanting the right to criticize overweight people? or people that have generally made different lifestyle choices than you have?10. “and I shouldn’t i be labeled racist or sexist or what have you, because of it.” — WOW!! You really have no idea what you are talking about!!! Homosexuality is not a race, therefore you cannot be labeled a racist, nor is it a gender, so you couldn’t be labeled a sexist! Know what you are talking about! The proper term is a bigot. Get a dictionary.11. “Honestly, I don’t find two men lip locking or touching each other attractive. I don’t see how that’s attractive.” — That is because you are straight. And there are probably people, gay and/or straight, that do not think that the person you are dating or the persons you have dated are attractive and that seeing you lip locking or touching each other is unattractive.12. “Religiously it’s wrong.” — See #4All of your ‘arguments’ hold no value at all. You just paraded around your complete ignorance on the matter. Go get yourself educated before you try and make an argument on this matter.
note to gays: turn straight because ‘wondering why’ is uncomfortable.it really doesnt matter if it is attractive to you, you bible-thumping ignoramus, im sure that some people dont find your significant other attractive in any way, but would you dump them because of that? no. because other people’s opinions really dont matter when they are weighing in on your lifestyle. yes, you have a right to express your opinions, but try to save the hate speeches for your church group because you wont get much support here. and since when is it anyone’s responsibility to explain to you why it isnt wrong?? nobody has to explain their life choices to you. if you dont like it, dont fucking look. my sister is a lesbian, and my best friend is a drag performer. growing up, yeah, i had questions and my own feelings about it, but as i grew up and understood more, i realized that ‘happy’ is very different for everyone. im sure your religion makes you feel happy and part of a community, so how can you deny another human being that feeling of belonging?? im just glad i dont know any ignorant, brainwashed homophobes like you, who use religion to perpetuate their own hangups
I’ll tell you one thing that’s super-hot and attractive. 416 underage girls forced to have babies in the name of Jesus! Now those are some true straight, religious men who know right from wrong. Not to mention the beatings inflicted on the girls (which I’m sure is sanctioned somewhere in the bible for many reasons, i.e. disobeying the husband, glancing at a male neighbour, showing too much forehead). Miranda: “religious cherry-picker”, way to go! I wish people would read the whole fucking book instead of deciding which passages are relevant enough to give weight to their stupid arguments whenever it’s convenient.
“shouldn’t we also have the right to criticize the lifestyle?”hahahahaah , NOWe have the right to be Proud Heterosexuals,and why shouldnt we be proud?Penis in Vagina sex is THE BOMB DIGGITYall the time im sayin that there should be Hetero-pride days and parades, it may seem like im poking fun, but…..You cant go through life comparing yourself to other people in an “im better than you way”, you gotta go out and be somebody all by yourself
Travis, since when did you become the VAGITARIAN???I thought you were the mental image assman on here a couple days ago… And pretty heavily fixated on the ‘ol poop chute if I recall correctly…
When any part of a society systematically and ignorantly denies basic human rights and freedoms, discriminates against and hates on others simply because of who they choose to love, it’s sure as fuck wrong. “Historically, socially AND religiously.” So goddam mad I’ve stopped lurking.
I agree 100% with the poster, (aka ‘WW’) with the exception of the religion thing, that shit is wack. Here is what I take from this: Gay people have gay pride days but hetero people don’t have hetero days, hey gay people why don’t you just relax with those gay pride days as streight people dont have streight people pride days, that’s all. And some lesbians are like ” hey there male person, I am going to be a fucking DOUCHE towards you for no other reason than that you are a male. It does happen. and at the end when he says “NO I DON”T HATE HOMOS!!!! ” WW is just trying to avoid you modern-day hippys from getting offended, which is impossible because you people get offended so easily its ridiculus.final thoughts:Abortion= awesome, and if I hit one of those annoying ass squeegee kids or one of you hippys with my car some night I would keep on driving, and later on laugh about it, like I am at all the comments you hippies with your strange ass hats are going to put on here.
Wow. I think of all the posts, Owned.com is the only one that actually understood what the whole post was about. Miranda, why do gays have the right to parade around town and have pride days and openly express how they can’t stand someone’s opinion about not supporting homosexuality, like most of the critics did on here, yet heterosexuals have no right to even give the slightest hint that they’re just merely bothered by the idea of homosexuality. The poster already mentioned that he/she has no hatred towards people and he/she was only questioning the fact that gays have more rights to do whatever pleases them, including criticizing us heteros, but we can only do the same in privacy. They can be open and the OP can’t? Don’t you find anything wrong with that statement? Regarding the religious thing, since it seems like most of the posters on here haven’t opened any books, from bible to quran, all 3 books, Christianity, Judaism and Islam, and other truly religious books, preach against homosexuality, incest, sexual activity before marriage, food, masturbation, abortion, and shopping on religious days, and so on. So what you’re saying is that if the OP agreed with the religious views on those you mentioned, they he/she has the right to protest homosexuality, but they didn’t, that right is waved?!wow you guys are some open-minded. Regarding the “extreme lesbians”, yes there is such a thing, i worked with a few. Believe they would have loved nuke all men, due to law that can’t. One of them even told me how much hatred she has for men, when i asked why, the answer was simply because they’re gross and they’re not attracted to them. Not to mention, one was in management position, guess who never had a chance to climb the ladder? That’s extreme lesbianism and extremely sexist. If a man does i swear they’d hang him, but it’s ok for a lesbian to do that! So miranda if you think that the OP should keep that to him/herself, I think gays should keep their homosexuality to themselves, no pride parades. I don’t make the rule, fair is fair.Charlie, please don’t post if you don’t know what you’re talking about!Elvis Q, that was the whole point OP was trying to make. They’re not behind closed door. And he/she was wondering if they have to keep their opinions behind closed doors, shouldn’t gays also keep it behind closed door, or no, only opposition has to stay behind closed doors?!I can’t remember where but somewhere in Canada, a certain town decided not to hang gay pride flags on certain buildings because they don’t support that. Gays were in uproar. So gays are allowed to publicly criticize heterosexuals and not be evil, but you’re the devil if you think homosexuality is wrong?! Wow. now i see what the OP’s is talking about!
So, the OP wants so badly to be able to say “I don’t hate homos, but it’s wrong, the bible says so, and I am definitely not attracted by two men together” without being discriminated against. And this is a conversation that he decided to start with a bunch of strangers. Like he’s saying something nobody’s heard before. Men that need to shout from the hillside like Julie fucking Andrews, “I am not gay, I don’t hate gays but I am not gay, I don’t like the idea of two men together because I am not gay, and I want all you strangers to know that I am not gay!” have some serious fucking issues that go beyond the scope of what an anonymous rant forum can provide. If he doesn’t find two men “liplocking” attractive, he needs to shut off the gay porn, or not share a room with two gay men, or stop watching gay people have sex, or tell the gay people that are following him around having sex in front of him to stop, or stop doing whatever he’s doing that forces him to think about it so much, and do us all a favour and join a men’s group who get together in the woods or something to pour their hearts and feelings out about how tough it is to be a straight man who doesn’t like gay sex. And don’t be so quick to assume ‘some’ lesbians hate you just because you’re male – chances are, it’s because you’re a fucking misogynist dicklock. The other ones that are okay with that aren’t really lesbians, they just know how easy it is to con your dumb asses for free drinks and these are their ‘college stories’ for later. And if ever you’re ever with one of your male friends, and you both bang a chick at once – you’re going to see each other naked! And that is totally gay! And you’re probably going to cross swords! And that will make you corner of Castro and Harvey Milk Boulevard, rainbow-coalition, chap-wearing ultra super mega-gay! Maybe you can shout that one from the rooftops while you’re begging for approval for your tender, girlish feelings on how you’re not homophobic but you just think being gay is wrong. The OP needs to find some like-mided men – because women don’t give a shit who fucks who, and aren’t intimidated or scared of what someone else might do in bed – and start a support group. Or join a sport, that way he can touch men without having sex with them and get over his frigging drama about shit that has nothing whatsoever to do with him.
“like-minded” maybe 😛
funny, if you take the OP and replace “homosexual” with “follower of religions”, it almost perfectly fits my own views
OK, Coyotex. I’m going to use little words. When gay people have gay pride events, they are celebrating their identity. They are NOT protesting heterosexuality. If gays were making anti-hetero statements, you would have a point. But they are not. So your argument that it should be ok for straight people to make anti-gay statements is illogical. I have never heard a gay person say that they were “bothered by the idea” of heterosexuality. The logical error you are making is that you are equating “pro-gay” with “anti-hetero”. Can’t you see that they are not the same thing?”what you’re saying is that if the OP agreed with the religious views on those you mentioned, they he/she has the right to protest homosexuality, but they didn’t, that right is waved?!”Yes, that is exactly what I’m saying. One thing I know about Christianity, and I am pretty sure it’s true of the other major organized religions, is that it’s a package deal. You buy the whole enchilada, or you can’t have any. You don’t get to follow some commandments and ignore others. Finally, every Thursday, Friday, and Saturday night is straight pride night in downtown Halifax. But if that’s not enough for you, feel free to organize a straight pride parade. As long as you don’t use it as an opportunity to bash people who are NOT straight, I’m sure there would be no objections too it.
There’s something I’d like to add to the whole “homosexuality is religiously wrong” argument. I was raised christian, probably like most people on here. I have in fact read the bible. I didn’t just forget 18 years of indoctrination when I rejected that belief system. And you should be aware, OP, that God hates onanism just as much as He hates buggery. In other words, “thou shalt not be a queer” is right up there with “thou shalt not yank thyself” in the eyes of God. For that matter, anal sex with your female partner is just as “religiously wrong”. So unless you’re prepared to walk that walk, OP, I suggest you leave religion out of your arguments.
I have noticed that in the Old and New Testaments, references to the “immorality” of homosexuality are always lumped in with a lot of discussion of other i”mmoral or sexually deviant” behaviors. Such behaviors as beastiality, adultery etc can be hurtful to others and emotionally/physically damaging to the person conducting the behavior (dogs give toothy BJ’s). Within the context of the religous system that is Christianity, which describes a god that loves and cares for humans, it seems to me that the warning is against behavior that is harmful to self and others…which makes sense if you read Dan Savage too. I think consenting adults can engage in whatever kind of sexual behaviour they want without committing sin as long as no harm is done. Anyone who understands love or equates God with love should realize this and see that homosexual relationships can be just as loving and genuine or slutty and risky as any hetero relationship.
Thanks matt. That was downright civil of you. And if you can be civil, so can I. In todays spirit of kisskisshughug, I hereby wipe the slate clean. Doesn’t mean I won’t verbally eviscerate you in the future though 😛
That’s a pretty charitable interpretation of scripture, Miles. I agree one hundred percent with your conclusion, but I don’t think the belief system you’re describing can be labeled “Christianity”. Universalist Unitarianism, maybe.
Miranda, I agree with your point and support what you’re saying. At the same time, let’s say a heterosexual person was asked about his opinion when it comes to homosexuality by a certain gay friend, or say a family member. WW has nothing against that particular person, in fact, WW would lay his/her life down for that person. WW decides to be honest with mr/ms gay and explain her view and why WW thinks that way. Mr/Ms gay decided to completely shut that person out, never talk to them again and label them as gay hater. Wouldn’t that be completely unfair? WW has no hatred towards anyone, but he/she is immediately labelled and hated due to their opinions and beliefs! Why do gays have the right to do that, yet WW has no right to express his/her opinion! No one has actully yet answered that!