Is building the convention centre proposed for downtown Halifax the right thing to do? “It’s a no-brainer,” mayor Peter Kelly told us, months before even one concrete number was placed before us. And now that some numbers have been made public, the official interpretation of these numbers is that the convention centre will prove to be of immense benefit, and there is something of an echo chamber of officials falling over themselves in praise for the proposal.
“This is the right decision,” says Infrastructure minister Bill Estabrooks. The convention centre is “an exciting opportunity for Nova Scotia,” says premier Darrell Dexter in an email to NDP members. “The business case for the tax (revenue) alone shows that it’s a good deal,” Halifax councillor Steve Streatch tells the Chronicle-Herald. “From what I’ve seen so far, this is a no-brainer,” says councillor Linda Mosher, echoing Kelly.
Still, while lots and lots of numbers are used to justify the foregone conclusion that the convention centre is a good idea, no critical analysis of those numbers has been undertaken. But even a cursory examination of the information put forward and the statements made by convention centre supporters shows that they contain a great many debatable assumptions, disputable claims, incorrect understandings of the numbers and, frankly, untruths—for example, the oft repeated claim that “12,000 new jobs will be created” is simply a baldfaced lie; it is unsupported by the documents convention centre supporters themselves use to make it.
I’m not against sensible development, and we definitely need a broad strategy for downtown development in particular. HRM By Design, the set of planning rules for downtown, isn’t perfect, but it’s a good attempt at striking a reasonable balance in the sometimes competing interests of development, high design standards, heritage protection (and perhaps more important, heritage promotion), attractive streetscapes, green space and the like. If we can strike the right chord, all of these interests should actually complement each other, leading to more, and more sensible, development. That’s a good thing.
But here comes this convention centre proposal—the largest single development proposal in the history of downtown Halifax. If built, it will quite literally determine the success or failure of downtown for the next century, so as a journalist it’s my job to critically examine every aspect of the proposal. And my opinion is that it fails the sensible standards we should be setting for downtown development. In fact, there are so many problems with the pro-convention centre argument that it’s hard to know where to begin, so I’ve decided to break up the analysis of those arguments into several posts. Over the next few days, I’ll take a look at the jobs argument, the tax argument and the economic impact argument, among others, separately. Today, though, I wonder about the options we haven’t heard about.
The missing alternatives
Let’s step back a bit and recognize what may be the biggest problem with the pro-convention centre argument: In all the discussion, nobody is asking “Is this the best possible use of the money?”
We are, after all, talking about a government expenditure of $159 million for construction alone, and $325 million for the total package of construction, financing, operation and maintenance over the next 25 years. This sort of money doesn’t grow on trees, so before getting into the pros and cons of this particular convention centre proposal, we should be asking ourselves what else we could be doing with that money, and what kind of potential returns for it could we get if we spent it on something else.
According to Jane Fraser—the executive director of strategic capital and infrastructure planning and Estabrooks’ go-to person on the convention centre—the new centre will generate $86 million in direct and indirect benefits over the next 10 years. I have no idea where she’s getting those numbers—like the jobs claim, it’s not supported by the documents—but for the sake of argument only, let’s assume the claim is correct. This assumption immediately leads to another question: How much would GDP increase if we did something else entirely with the money?
As a for-instance, I’ve long felt that the most important thing we can be doing as a society is reducing our dependency on imported oil. What kind of economic benefit would result if we invested $325 million in retrofitting houses to be more energy efficient? Preventing a significant chunk of our income from going directly to the House of Saud and instead recirculating the money here in the local economy is a potentially definable benefit—an increase of X amount in efficiency would result in $Y of savings, which according to the very same multiplier calculations economic impact firms used to figure the “indirect” impacts of the convention centre, would result in $Z of economic impact.
Maybe investing in energy efficiency won’t bring the best return for the money, but something else will. What about dumping the money in transit, reducing commuting costs? Subsidized day care so mothers can better compete in the work force, increasing their salaries and therefore their purchasing and taxpaying powers? These are the kinds of things I expected the NDP government to be investigating, right alongside the convention centre proposal. But absolutely no alternative uses for the money have been suggested, much less investigated to see if they could bring more potential return.
The pro-convention centre argument rests on the notion that the convention centre will increase future tax revenues and so down the road we’ll have more money to fund energy efficiency programs, transit and day care, should we wish to do so. But it could very well work the other way around too: if we fund energy efficiency programs, it will increase future tax revenues and then we’ll have enough money to build a convention centre. Why is convention centre-first, efficiency-later better than efficiency-first, convention centre-later? Especially since no comparison has been made.
This convention centre and no other
Even if the lack of alternative uses of the money can be waved away as unimportant and we suddenly all agree that a convention centre is the best use of tax money, the issue of alternatives doesn’t go away, because we have one convention centre proposal and no other.
Not only is a convention centre the best use of tax dollars, we’re told, but a convention centre with exactly 120,000 square feet, costing exactly $159 million to construct in a partnership with Rank Inc. and placed exactly between Argyle and Market Streets is the best of all possible convention centres—110,000 and 130,000 square foot convention centres need not apply, nor those that are publicly constructed, nor those on the waterfront.
The convention centre proposal has been clouded in secrecy and backroom deals from the start. As I reported at the time, the decision to build a convention centre through a private partnership was made entirely without public input, and the decision to move forward with this particular partnership with Rank Inc, for this particular site, was made by a small number of unelected bureaucrats—we were never even told who they were, exactly—meeting behind closed doors and in secret.
It’s important to note that there were other, arguably better, proposals. Here’s one of them, which I described in February, 2009:
I spoke with Colin Whitcomb, executive vice-president at Hardman Group. He says that his convention centre proposal called for tearing down the Cogswell Interchange, freeing up about 16 acres of land. About half of that– eight acres– would be devoted to streets, sidewalks and other public uses, and about half the remaining, four acres, would host a $120 million convention centre. The remaining four acres would be sold for private development. As Whitcomb points out, development in this area faces no height restrictions under the proposed HRM By Design guidelines.
As Whitcomb tells it, the city and province put out a call for “expressions of interest”—a request for “information on who your team was, generally what you were proposing to do and how you were proposing to do it—in broad terms.” Hardman was one of six groups putting forward proposals.
He expresses it diplomatically, but Whitcomb is perturbed about the procurement process. He complains that some of the competing bidders had had meetings with mayor Peter Kelly, and when he asked for the same, he was denied.
You can see some of Hardman Group’s proposal here.
Taking down the Cogswell Interchange has immense appeal—I’ve never met anyone who doesn’t like the idea. But a small cabal of bureaucrats decided that the plan had no merit. Why? They’ve never had to explain themselves, have never justified their reasoning; it was just rejected out of hand.
A cynic might suggest that the secret selection of a private partner for a site up the hill rather than the Cogswell site reflects private agendas at play. Maybe not, but without informed public debate at that early stage, we were put on a track that led us to an end result that is lacking.
For comparison, let’s look at the new Ottawa Convention Centre, which, with a $170 million price tag, costs roughly the same as the proposed convention centre for Halifax. As I pointed out last week, for that money Ottawa gets 192,000 square feet of usable space in a four-storey signature stand-alone building overlooking the Rideau Canal and downtown Ottawa, which is owned outright by the people of Ontario, forever. Halifax gets just 120,000 square feet of usable space stuck in two basement levels with a view of absolutely nothing, in somebody else’s building.
Darrell Dexter claims the convention centre is not a P3 project—I guess definitions of P3 vary, and I’ll explore that issue in the near future. But whatever you call the public/private relationship for the centre, one thing is certain: at the end of 25 or 30 years (the province has the option to extend the 25 year lease an additional five years), those basement rooms will belong to Rank Inc.
One MLA tells me that it should be expected that convention centres need to be rebuilt every few decades because of changing needs and circumstances in the convention industry. It’s an interesting argument, but I might point out that, say, St. Peter’s Basilica has been remarkably permanent with its ability to host large assemblies. Regardless, we should note that the present convention centre proposal is planned obsolescence—we’re going to need another one of these suckers in 30 years.
What’s yet another new convention centre going to cost in 30 years? Let’s say $300 million. Any responsible planning for that future need would include placing $10 million annually for 30 years in a capital account, but that real cost is hidden, unexpressed; it’s just a debt handed to the next generation.
None of the points raised in the above discussion have been addressed in the public debate over the convention centre. No alternative uses for the money have been suggested, and the alternative proposals for a convention centre were discarded without public explanation. Moreover, the public/private arrangement for the proposal we do have is a disservice to the public, giving us a crappy convention centre for the money, and handing a huge bill to the future.
For all of these reasons, it’s a horrible proposal. In upcoming posts, I’ll show how figures produced to support the convention centre proposal don’t stand up to scrutiny.
This article appears in Oct 7-13, 2010.



None of your arguments hold water. It’s all sour grapes, innuendo, and political dogma. Is The Coast going to change its name to “The Anti-CC Daily”? Seems as though it should if you continue to kill trees with these sort of things day after day. Give it up and go onto something more useful.
Sour grapes much? You lost Tim, find something new to whine endlessly about.
The difference between Tim’s fuzzy math and the CC proponents’ fuzzy math is that the proponents’ are the ones asking for $159 million. Maybe a convention center is the best use of $159 million, but surely we should put the onus on the proponents to PROVE that this is so before we hand over $159 million.
I for one am glad the media, at least this outlet, is calling for critical analysis. It is important to think about alternate ideas. It is important to question the assumptions and become as informed as possible.
As far as I can see there are three kinds of supporters of this project:
1/ Folks with vested interests… for whom the “spin-offs will be very real indeed.
2/ Anonymous folks like the posters below who combine ad homenem attacks and invincibly ignorant appeals to faith. This group also believes Halifax is Dying! no mater what all facts on the ground and government economic reports say.
3/ Folks (often politicians) who use the argument that goes like this: We all like good stuff; I’ve been told this is good stuff; therefore of course I like this. This tautology is what passes for political savvy in our community and is often followed by some form of “and besides with no money down and no payments until 2014 we can surely afford this somehow”, which is what seems to pass for financial acumen in our community.
As we are now hopefully getting down to the first week of real critical analysis of this project I have a couple hopes.
The most important point to follow here is that in each area consideration we should be measuring incrementals and anyone who doesn’t consider this is not being thoughtful or serious in their analysis. Three important examples:
1/ It’s not a choice between this convention centre and a hole in the ground. It’s a choice between what Mr. Ramia will build on the site (he has some great plans) and what we might best do as investors of public debt.
2/ It’s not a choice between no convention business and the TCL projected numbers; it’s a mater of estimating the actual incremental business versus the incremental costs – including the sunk costs and ongoing loses (whether operating of disposition) of the existing centre.
3/ It’s not about no jobs versus 12,000. The 12,000 figure is among the most challenging numbers put out by TCL. No one believes that number… except maybe Roger Taylor who took the opportunity to double it in his latest column. But whatever the proposed number is, it’s the incremental difference between the number of jobs now existing and the achievable and sustainable number of jobs with the second convention centre plan. Short term low paying jobs don’t help anyone. We’re looking for sustainable full-time or Full time equivalent jobs.
As proposed recently in the Globe and Mail comments, I hope the governments at all levels engage a real independent analysis of the project if they can not do their own.
The government says the discussion and opportunity for public input has not yet begun and they are ready to take weeks or months to figure out what is best. Most municipal and federal politicians say they haven’t been given enough information to make an informed comment yet. But the proponents, and in particular the anonymous posters on this site, are calling for the end of debate and consideration before it even begins. Given the cost, scope and impact of this decision on our vision of Halifax for the next generation and beyond, why is that?
What exactly is sour, dogmatic or whiny about calling bullshit on the obviously bullshit 12,000 jobs number?
I’ll do a little math in case you don’t have a calculator handy: 12000 jobs at say a low rate of $30,000 per year times 10 years is $3.6 billion. That just plain doesn’t make sense and requires a little more ( a lot more) explanation if you ask me. I sincerely doubt anyone can stand by this number as the incremental number of job created by this centre no matter how optimistic they are about spin-offs. This would be twice the number employed by the entire HRM public service with a n annual operating budget of over $700m per year.
But whatever you call the public/private relationship for the centre, one thing is certain: at the end of 25 or 30 years (the province has the option to extend the 25 year lease an additional five years), those basement rooms will belong to Rank Inc.
Preposterous. Something is very wrong with the deal-making, here.
Bo Gus, address a clear fact – Ottawa will own their CC for $170 million, Halifax will lease a space for 25 years at $8 millionish a year but still pay $159 million to build it. How can anyone think that is a good use of taxpayers money?
Everyone against THIS proposal is not against a new CC. Just this crappy, old boy, backwards, backwoods, secret handshake proposal.
no money for the homeless or the lost in the city but plenty for this b.s. life is grand, ain’t?
Typo Tim “$159,000 million”
Matthew– thanks, it’s been fixed.
I asked the Trade Centre folks at their open house why this proposal was chosen over the others. They said, it was the only proposal where the developer already owned the land.
This just in: Darrell Dexter, in his infinite wisdom, has given the convention centre the go-ahead provided he can get municipal and federal funding. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia/story…
how long will the convention industry last? if peak oil is a real concern, how much longer will it be viable for large groups to convene in one place? and why would they choose halifax? technology is already allowing those who would have in the past been jet-setting daily for work to video conference and collaborate through the wonders of the internet.. it’s only a matter of time before there is a similar solution for these events. it would be the worst thing if we shelled out all this money, banking on a projected rate of return that didn’t anticipate the collapse of the convention industry.
to whom it may concern: please build something that the people of our city and its outskirts will use regularly; that will bring everyone back downtown.
Tim Bousquet is the champion of the people in presenting some logic to the proposed new convention centre project which has been pushed onto taxpayers by Darrel Dexter and Peter Kelly.
Forcing taxpayers to cough up in excess of $110 from City and Provincial tax sources is an abomination. If there is piles of cash laying around in public coffers a more sensible use would be for health care that everyone needs. Pre-election Dexter advised that ALL emergency rooms in the province would be open 24/7 ( that means all the time). Premier Dexter also stated no tax increases. What do you call increasing the provincial portion of HST from 8 to 10% ? He is either a liar or lacking in basic intellect in my opinion.
Mayor Kelly has been advocating the great financial benefits that “singing” on the Commons brings to Halifax. Promotor McKay who just folded his business leaving unpaid suppliers sort of blows a hole in the Mayor’s theory. I’m curious to know what happened to the $600,000 of public tax dollars that these financial wizards gave to McKays company?
In my humble opinion neither of these egoists could run a lemonade stand successfully based on the foregoing.
Further eroding any hope that a new convention centre will not be a financial albatross comes an announcement today by Armor Group Ltd and The Waterfront Development Corp that a new $190 million project at “Queen’s Landing” with $70 million of “private” money will commence. This is touted as having 100,000 sq ft commercial office space plus a hotel with all rooms facing the harbour. Certainly sounds like direct competition to the
“business” part of Rank Inc.’s proposal for the convention centre that taxpayers will pay $13 million yearly forever for just for maintenence!!! As an aside if $70 million is private funds then I’m guessing $120 million must be coming from tax coffers ! Does Premier Dexter and his
cohort Mayor Kelly plan to tax the citizens of this province into the ground while sitting back building up their fat pensions at tax payers expense?.
Silence is acceptance!!!!!
“If built, it will quite literally determine the success or failure of downtown for the next century” – LOL LOL LOL LOL Tim…get over yourself. A 500 million dollar project will not determine the success or failure of HRM for 10 years let alone 100. Smarten the fuck up – your comments are irresponsible. Times are moving fast dude. The goddamn internet is only 15 years old.
He said “downtown”, meaning the CBD, meaning the core of HRM. If you’re going to laugh about it Liverpool, the least you can do is quote correctly. And just out of curiousity, was that the only thing that you could pick at from the article? Yes, Bousquet was making up the number about how many years this could potentially impact downtown, just like the numbers that were made up and you ate up about this CC in the first place…Smarten the fuck up, please.
Please go to this Facebook site “Save the View”; join; and comment to your MLA and on the links if you feel that Dexter spending millions of taxpayer money to build an ugly, useless convention centre that will benefit a few hustler developers and politicians in Halifax but will destroy what Nova Scotians value: our beautiful natural history; heritage; historical ambience; a feeling of space and nature–what everyone comes to Nova Scotia to see and loves the downtown for because it has been destroyed where they live–is a very bad decision and one that must be reversed. Please share this with all your friends out of town and ask them to spread the word to protest to MLAs in their communities. Organize with petitions and public demonstrations. Dexter government and HRM mayor and council=corruption and stupidity; Nova Scotians=people who care about something other than corrupt decisions and being paid off with temporary jobs that will destroy what makes our capital city special and why tourists come here. Take our inspiration from the organizers who stopped the selling of NB power to Quebec.
The Coast is turning into one negative force lately. Mabye once the new Convention Centre is built you should move your offices there to see if it will brighten up your lives.
I would like to start a “shut-the-fuck-up” fund. I am so sick of all this stupid complaining and “I know a better way” crap. The word I get from everyone I meet is build it, don’t build it –but please for god’s sake stop whining about it.
No surprise in the latest winner of the Lipstick on a Pig Award
http://halifaxgazette.blogspot.com/2010/10…
It would be interesting to see some of the people whining that Tim is whining about this issue post some sort of reasonable argument against his position.
It’s called progress. I really don’t understand why people would be against this. Also most people who leave Halifax leave because its the land that time forgot. Also most people don’t want to live or work in old run down buildings that should have been removed 30 years ago. I find it interesting most cities in Canada and in the United States have done this and it turn out to be for the better. I’m just asking if other cities in North America do this why can’t Halifax? I forgot we seem to care more about tourists then the locals. Halifax needs to enter the 21st century and if the city fears they might lose tourist then just hire a PR company to re-brand the city.
Okay then ‘Charles the Great’..here’s the counter argument to Tim’s article.
I don’t like the convention centre. By that I don’t like the design. That doesn’t mean I don’t like the idea of it. That doesn’t mean that I don’t think it will make money. It doesn’t mean I don’t think it’s a good thing. It means I don’t like the design.
So I must be against it, right? Well, if you go about trying to make everyone happy – nothing gets done. If you go about taking polls about what should get done first – nothing gets done. If you hold a vote for every dollar spent – noting gets done. That means that people will make decisions that inevitably I won’t be 100% in favour of. However, 75% of me in favour is a majority vote in my poll of “me” and I can live with that. Most Haligonians, or at least the most vocal ones, can only seem to agree to the “100% what I want or no green light” philosophy. And that, Charles, is truly fucked up.
Tim says it will cost more than was projected – shocking news. That never happens. Oh, wait. I mean that ALWAYS happens. Which means it’s a limp argument.
Tim wants projects like a Cogswell Interchange or the green-ification of Halifax first – actually, me too. Tim says it will cost more money to operate it than it will take in. Yup, again…I probably agree. But so do public transportation systems, roads, utilities, schools, government, etc. Want to kill them too Tim? They cost more when when you DON’T take it to account what you can’t count: the cost of NOT having them. But the convention centre stands a better shot of at least paying for itself while drawing other business in as well. You can’t assume the Centre lives in a bubble and the rental of the offices and halls is all the money it draws in. Cities don’t work that way.
Bigger cities understand cost benefit. Halifax has it’s head up it’s ass about this forever. The notion that $159 million dollars is a lot of money truly shows how backward the city it truly is. I remember when the Skydome’s costs in T.O. went way above the $250 million dollar line. It was a complete waste..unless you count two consecutive world series, hundreds of millions into local businesses and putting Toronto on the world stage – permanently. Now $250 million seems like chump change.
But they’re doing stuff in secret! – you cry. That must mean it’s wrong! Actually, if I was in charge of anything having to do with development in this city I’d bury it underground too – only deeper. Put yourself in a developer’s shoes. Now, how do they feel? Pretty warm, huh? Hot even? Bet you can’t wait to rip them off. That’s called the uneducated, inexperienced public spotlight, baby, and it’s burning holes right through your sole (soul?). To Haligonians spending $20 is $21 dollars too many. Who wants to volunteer to be subjected to that kind of unchecked scrutiny?
Example: recently the Dexter government was outted for spending a shocking $40,000 to host a conference here in Halifax. $40,000!! I was shocked. Shocked that the price tag was so freaking low. You can’t do squat for that kind of money. I bet the whole thing came off looking rather lackluster to whomever attended.
So what do you do if you’re a developer? ? You deflate the numbers, bury some of the facts that don’t look too rosy, and keep as few as possible in the inner circle of what’s going on. Is it right? No. But it’s understandable. After all, Columbus cut his projections of the circumference of the world by half to convince his investors and the Queen that he could do it. But since he didn’t sail back from the New World after building huge cities and raking in trillions of dollars FIRST I guess we’ll call that a predictable failure, huh?
John Chisholm and js458017 touch on the best point of all the comments so far. The Convention Centre industry is not sustainable long term. Great cities will be sustainable cities.
If you’re interested in discussing positive change in Halifax, join the 4Days (http://www.4days.ca/) unconference next week.
The Future of Our Downtown
The future of our downtown Halifax requires all of our attention. This is not just Halifax’s downtown, it is Nova Scotia’s downtown – it represents the prosperity and vision of both our province and our city. Consequently, we must ensure that we have a downtown that provides a showcase for our unique qualities and aspirations. Halifax must embrace our collective history, engage our waterfront and express our vision for the future.
So far, Halifax has done well with our harbourfront – with expansive boardwalks, public spaces and engaging developments, our harbourfront has become our premiere destination for tourists and locals. This kind of quality development needs to continue throughout our downtown, however we mustn’t accept development purely for the sake of development. New developments will make Halifax a better city only if they represent who we are, celebrating our unique location and culture while respectfully engaging their immediate environments.
Halifax must aspire to improve the quality of our downtown with an emphasis on streetscapes, open spaces, public amenities and environmental sustainability. HRMbyDesign, HRM’s Sustainable Environment Strategy and Nova Scotia Sustainable Prosperity Act are major initiatives designed to ensure that our new developments proceed thoughtfully, humanely and without long-term harm to the environment and natural beauty that surrounds us. The proposed Central Library, Citadel High and the Seaport Farmers’ Market are examples of projects that fulfill these community objectives. Through their progressive designs, these projects represent and express our vision as a city, while providing much-needed public infrastructure that supports a healthy and vibrant city. Most notably, our HRMbyDesign initiatives have recently been recognized by the Royal Architectural Institute of Canada as the most forward thinking document in Canada with regard to Urban Design principles and initiatives.
Which brings us to the new convention centre proposal. Firstly, we think a new convention centre is a great idea, possessing tremendous potential to inject economic and cultural vitality into the downtown core. Convention centres consistently attract large gatherings that have the potential to support other development and business. A new convention centre in downtown Halifax has the potential to bring many new visitors from around the world to enjoy the natural beauty and hospitality that we are renowned for. In other port cities such as Hong Kong, Liverpool, Stockholm and recently Vancouver, their convention centres have become iconic waterfront buildings that help to engage and define the downtown. Regardless of location, our new convention centre must express the uniqueness of Halifax.
Just like the convention centre, our new Central Library is being built with public money. The Library designers are conducting extensive public consultations to ensure the best possible result and a library unique to Halifax. So why isn’t this happening with the convention centre? This is quite troubling – we are only going to get one crack at this critical part of our cultural infrastructure and we have an obligation to ensure it is the best possible result for the future of our city.
As an idea, a new convention centre could be a win-win-win, especially if it highlights the unique strengths we possess as a city. Unfortunately, the proposed convention center does not appear to meet these criteria. Simply put, the current proposal will ignore who we are, where we are and what we want to be. As proposed, the project is devoid of context, buried deep underground and highly compromised. Where does it begin to suggest its purpose as a convention centre or as a cultural centerpiece of our region? We know from experience that well-intentioned, meaningful architecture and urban design can directly contribute to the success of businesses while providing significant public amenity and value. In a city our size, these opportunities are rare and must be taken full advantage of.
How can HRM and the Province of Nova Scotia support a subterranean convention centre that will not see the light of day, not engage the downtown, not adhere to HRMbyDesign, not embrace what makes our city unique and not include a public design process? These critical questions need to be addressed before decisions are made that cannot be reversed.
We want to see more development in our downtown. However, we have an obligation to each other to ensure that it is appropriate and aspires to a greater vision. If we want our city to become great we need to rely on our elected officials to act with virtue and our citizens to be heard with respect. Halifax has more potential than any other city in this country – its time we started reaching for it.
Eugene Pieczonka, Keith Tufts & Andy Lynch
Principals of Lydon Lynch Architects
Absolutely right on. Only “no brainers” could support this project. Yes, investing in alternative energy would be a reasonable alternative. Solarize electric communities like Cowie Hill, for starters ( are you getting this “Finance Minister”; it’s your constituency, remember ?) Instead of giving money out to private monopolies and fly-by-night developers, why not give money to homeowners to solarize their homes rather than boosting Emera earnings on the backs of constituents ? (Think of the money you’ll save not having to subsidize the new poor you create when you hand out subsidies to shareholders ! ) Jobs created for alternative energy would not only boost employment, but support local small business, free up income and possibly create new industries. Yes, the money could be used for infrastructure too; like the long neglected idea of a commuter train service, last estimated to be less than what this developer wants governments to pony up for this “ultra-modern” sixties-style mall anchor ( Talk about back to the future… ! ). For $350 million, we could probably put in a spur line to our long neglected airport ,another asset that can and does create new jobs. Of course, the savings to ordinary Nova Scotians might give them a little disposable income that might just encourage them to spend or invest instead of living pay cheque to pay cheque. Quess what ? That will create jobs and growth too ! This convention centre scheme is just another fiscal disaster waiting to happen and a total waste of money. One would have thought “social democrats” might have come up with something that might at least disturb their neanderthal opposition who, with or without the power to reason, (unlike most homo sapiens,) fully support this anticipated dinosoar. ” Hey Barney…it’s a no brainer yuck, yuck, yuck !”
While there are indications that the convention business may not be a really great growth business or the best business to be in (see http://www.straight.com/article-216510/gor…), I believe that taxpayer money can be well spent on a new convention centre which would serve to make Halifax more attractive, serve as a landmark and spur additional development downtown.
That said, I have a number of concerns with the current proposal:
– the proposal seems to be putting too many eggs in one basket
– in my opinion, outside of the heritage and view plane arguments, the size of the building doesnt suit that area of Halifax. All of the buildings going south from the current WTCC to Spring Garden are 3-7 story buildings, and many of them have the same brick facade
– the convention centre is in the basement which is not a good design choice for a number of reasons. (though, it will be a nice gift by the taxpayers of building a foundation for Rank’s new building if it goes ahead)
– there is no green space
– other locations were never mentioned really. why not cogswell interchange? more importantly, why not the waterfront – this is what we are know for and its not suprising that Vancouver, Ottawa, even Charlottetown have/are building new convention centres on their waterfronts. If there is no waterfront space, how about ripping down the Metro Centre, getting us a new arena and a new convention centre at the same time?
– even the untrained eye can tell that vancouver and ottawa designs are world class and incorporate many features of good design that the current proposal does not
I have no problem with the budget, perhaps its even too low. But, lets hire great, world class designers and do this project right, making it something that Nova Scotians and our guests can rave and be proud about for decades to come. Lets not regret poor planning, design and decision making.
Lets do something really unique! Strive for more than a desperation mentality and envision our city as something greater. Here are some examples:
Quebec City has a nice looking convention centre either http://www.convention.qc.ca/tiki-index.php…
Ottawa’s new convention centre is gorgeous http://ottawaconventioncentre.com/en
Vancouver’s convention center is very nicely designed on the waterfront too…http://www.vancouverconventioncentre.com/thefacilities/
Even little old Charlottetown has a convention centre with a unique look which stands out and is on their harbour. The coast guard is giving up some land to make it happen – i think we could find some land on the harbour somewhere – http://www.gov.pe.ca/tourism/index.php3?nu…
Bryan Burns
I asked Trade Centre Ltd folks why Rank’s proposal was chosen over the others – including one at the Cogswell site and one or more on the Waterfront. The reason was that it was the ONLY proposal where the developer already owned the land.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia/story…
In 2007 there was a proposal by WHW Architects to expand the WTCC into the Metro Centre and build a new Metro Centre at the Cogswell. Handsome contemporary design, many windowed façades, green (including a ‘winter garden’ to cheer everyone up in gloomy weather), public access, purposely did not block view from Citadel, etc. Total cost – for construction of both + tear down of Cogswell – $300 million. Very expensive. But when you think our new privately owned generic underground bunker will cost more than half of that, Rank’s new design is indeed a very bad deal. Click on the links and take a look at the proposal especially Section 4 in Vol. 1 on the design.
Here is a summary of the philosophy of their new design. Especially a comparison of what the current one is and what a new convention centre should be. Note that our new Rank convention centre will be just continuing with the old ideas…
“An Extroverted WTCC
The existing centre is an introverted building. Entries are ambiguous. The central multi-height atrium is buffered with full floors on its east and south sides leaving it little visual connection to Argyle or Carmichael Streets. Pre-event spaces are separated from the atrium by walls of solid wood doors. The multi-purpose Cornwallis room and the eastern public walkway are below grade.
The WTCC is a tool for selling Halifax to the world through the travel dependant convention industry. To attract those travelers, the centre presents itself as a facility that caters to the particular needs of conventioneers, as any facility would, but it differentiates itself from other facilities by promising a memorable experience grounded in the cultural landscape of Halifax; its history, its architecture, its urban vitality, its night life, its cultural events. The centre’s new architecture must re-direct the focus of the building outwards to reinforce its connections with the surrounding city. “
Forgot the links.
WHW Architects WTCC Expansion Study and Metro Centre II Feasibility Study
https://conventioncentreinfo.com/wp-conten…
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Good article Tim. I look forward to the other parts of this fiasco being put forth for our consideration. There are some very rank aspects to this whole proposal being shoveled down our throats here.
Each one of us in HRM has a huge dept I’m not sure how we are going to pay down. With my portion of the federal dept, the provincial dept, the civic dept, and my personal dept all lumped up together in a big pile, I am scared shitless how I’m supposed to survive. I don’t even want to think about my environmental dept! How do I address my social dept with this kind of burden smothering Smee?
We are up to our eyeballs in dept and governments keep coming up with more ways to dig us deeper and deeper into financial ruin. If we don’t smarten up fast we are going to be facing the inevitable bankruptcy which will cripple us like we’ve never been crippled before. Sadly, we’ll then be out of options.
Let’s use the options we have now wisely! It’s for our own good to live within our means.
Hey Halifax,
If you had 160 million dollars to finance a revitalization of the downtown core, how would you spend it?
Include ideas, initiatives, organizations, and whatever all else, you would support – and why you think they’re important. We can create a strong strategy incubator, just by putting our thoughts out there, to oppose a lump sum expenditure on one convention centre – with a diverse and comprehensive proposal in its place!
Speak up, Halifax!
How would YOU strengthen the economy, create a sense of community, foster a safe environment?
Email submissions to halifax.ideas@gmail.com and spread the joy – forward this on to your friends and fellow citizens.
Lets collaborate and create a proposal for Halifax that will blow a 160 million dollar bid for a convention centre out of the harbour water! And usher in a new downtown core full of improvements we can feel good about.
Why should this new convention centre be built in Halifax in the first place? Halifax has a World Trade.
Why not put this new centre in Dartmouth = cheaper land, more parking etc.
First the province wants HRM to buy the old Centre, now they don’t want to pay municipal taxes on the new one. Methinks I know how they are going to finance this white elephant. On the backs of the HRM taxpayer!!! Fuck then DD says he expects HRM and the Feds to pony up their share. Hopefully Kelly has the guts to say “Up yours”.