Ok. I have a legit question for everyone on here who says they're pro-choice but they disagree with abortion being used as a form of birth control.....why?
So you're saying it's ok to abort - but only under certain circumstances (ie. a one-off, or two-off or if there's a really, really, good reason...). Isn't that essentially like saying you only believe in abortion for cases of abuse or incest? Different, of course, but the same in that abortion is only ok under certain circumstances - whatever those circumstances are deemed to be.
I'm not being facetious, honestly. I'm just curious how many people have truly and honestly examined their reasons for their beliefs.
Let's say you're pro-choice because a) you believe in a woman's right to exercise control over her own body; and
b) you don't consider a fetus or embryo to be a human being.
In my experience most of those who are pro-choice identify this way because of both a and b.
So then if the embryo or fetus isn't actually a human being but a bunch of cells, why does it matter how often it is "aborted"? Or for that matter, why does it matter why someone chooses to abort something if it's only a bunch of cells?
Why do we place a value judgment on an individual choice when we're (us pro-choicers who believe a & b) only talking about a bunch of cells here?
I mean, do we disagree with using abortion as a form of birth control because such a procedure is rather serious and undergoing it willy-nilly is irresponsible because it's a fairly extensive procedure?
But then who is it irresponsible for? For the person undergoing the procedure? But if you believe in a person's right to have ultimate say over their being, what does it matter how often they harm themselves, especially if no one else is harmed in the process?
Or is it because the procedure, if done in hospital, is covered by taxpayers?
Or is it something else I'm missing....?
Is it because as a society, many of us are still pretty uncomfortable with killing something like a fetus even if we say it's not really a person because, as Reg LeCrisp said, it's a (really close) possible existence of a person - an almost-person? Do we feel that aborting casually is a slap in the face of the miracle of human life?
I *think* if we're really honest with ourselves, it's difficult for any of us to pinpoint exactly why this makes us uncomfortable.
I'm no philosopher or MM stand-in but I am curious what others think.......should this (aborting as birth control) make us uncomfortable or is that being contradictory?
I don't think you dodged a bullet, OB, but a freakin' missile.
Daniel, I WISH this bitch wasn't legit, but I'm pretty damn sure it is. There's a lot of awesome guys out there....then there's duds like this who are clearly stuck in another century. Fortunately I've met more of the former but every now and then I run into one of these tools.
And TJ902 I dunno, it didn't sound to me as though the guy just wanted a woman to cook for him every now and then.
The way the bitch read it sounded like he actually did want a woman to do ALL of the cooking, ie. wait on him hand and foot or in other words, be a "slave" in the kitchen.
(She said he seemed obsessed with her doing ALL of the cooking and that the conversation continued to be about cooking and focused on feeding him). And then the comment about Asian women.....classy.
I'm just gonna throw it out there that in any respectful, egalitarian relationship both partners share the duties.** If that means that one person does all the cooking and the other does all the cleaning, so be it. Pretty sure that's not what this guy was getting at here.
**Disclaimer: I'm in no way a shining example of this. My husband is pretty awesome and has definitely pulled more than his fair share of the load on more than the odd occasion. But it's not like I expect him to because he's a man and that's his job or anything.
You might call it laziness on my part, but I like to refer to it as being laid-back. ;)
I get the whole "can't even afford to leave" scenario - but only for certain situations.
If you're young with a university degree (of any kind) and no dependents then why not consider teaching ESL overseas ie) South Korea??
Sure, it's not everyone's cup of tea but if you're just looking for a way out of debt it's a viable option.
Bro Tim I find your comments quite timely, actually.
There was another bitch on here today about language the media used to describe a rape, and someone mentioned how sexual assault is underreported because of re-victimization and essentially a lack of support.
I'm sure all men & women who've been victims of domestic violence are thanking you for your "keeping private shit private" insight.
Boru I would highly recommend Matt Anderson's cover of "Wagon Wheel".
I might get blasted here but I actually prefer it to the original.
Yeah, while most domestic abuse is committed by men against women, men have it pretty shitty when they're the victims.
I think it would be extremely difficult to try and defend yourself without doing some damage to the woman. And if you did hurt the woman, you'd have to tread pretty carefully as many would probably assume you (being the man) were the instigator.
Shitty situation all around.
Yeah, they could eat & drink something before they left but I think the coffee & scone are part of the experience.
Still - unless you don't have access to transit (ie live in the middle of nowhere) then why not take your chances on it?
Definitely agree we've got it pretty good in terms of parking and I'll take construction any day if that means it's going to help revitalize parts of the downtown.
I really do wish they'd improve our transit, tho...
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